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...like I said, that's what I thought...can't back your BS up, can you?
 
Seems like you were all for Salty over McCann on this thread (see post #21) - your words - "what he said -spot on" in response to MB's post, but now that McCann has been signed, you have to 180 it by "claiming" McCann was your choice all along, and that anyone who preferred at Salty at $80M less is a f'ing idiot. So does your wanting Salty on this thread make you a f'in idiot too?

Like I said - you're full of shit. Just about everyone admits when they're wrong, but not you - you're always in the perpetual state of "that's not what I meant", "I was misquoted", etc.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/249906-Jarrod-Saltalamacchia?p=3139572#post3139572
 
...and here you are claiming Cano for 6/$150M "seems about right" (post #34), but of course there you are rubber-stamping Ellsbury at 7/$153M. So are you saying that Ellsbury is worth more than Cano - oh, no now the line is Cano for the Yankees $175M, but "he probably deserves more $$$, but not more years". Really - thought it was $150M? Another 180, along with the usual bashing of those who questioned Ellsbury's deal.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/246968-Cano-wants-300-Million?p=3107459#post3107459
 
...you're delirious....making an error is not a "180".

...are you really trying to dig that hard?...I guess I didn't read MB's post all that clearly because I have been lobbying for McCann since last year. So I mis-spoke in responding to someone's post, sue me.

...I have not done a 180 and have never wanted Salty...would you like me to dig as hard as you?


...oh wait, I don't have to...see post #6 above...would you like more?
 
yankeesince59 said:
...you're delirious....making an error is not a "180".

...are you really trying to dig that hard?...I guess I didn't read MB's post all that clearly because I have been lobbying for McCann since last year. So I mis-spoke in responding to someone's post, sue me.

...I have not done a 180 and have never wanted Salty...would you like me to dig as hard as you?


...oh wait, I don't have to...see post #6 above...would you like more?
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Throw in the "McCann plays a pretty good 1B, and in a matter of 10 minutes - I've called your BS out 3 times. But me and other dug up posts of your contradcutory BS before, and predictably you claim to be "misquoted" despite it being there in black and white.

And the "I didn't read MB's post all that clearly" - are you f'in kidding me? No would care if you made these comments, but instead of acknowledging them and moving on like everyone else, you deny them, AND then turn around and trash those who take the same position you did at one point (before of course, the Yankees make the move, and you feel compelled to say 'you had it along'). All this thread shows is if McCann got $100M from someone else, and the Yankees got Salty for $21M - you would have been all over it, and questioning why anyone would pay McCann $80M more than Salty and for 6 years vs. 3 years for Salty.

And post #6 above was made AFTER the Yankees signed McCann, and totally contradicts your response to MB. All you're doing is proving my point.
 
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...what did I "deny"?...I made a reading blunder by not reading MB's post completely and admitted it...I also made an error about McCann having played 1B and also admitted that...not sure what you're getting at.

...if I produce evidence of my desire to sign McCann will you admit you were wrong?...I highly doubt it.
 
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yankeesince59 said:
...what did I "deny"?...I made a reading blunder by not reading MB's post completely and admitted it...I also made an error about McCann having played 1B and also admitted that...not sure what you're getting at..
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OK, so in addition to "that's not what I meant", "I was misquoted", I'll add "I made a reading blunder" to the list of auto replies for you to use to weasel out of standing by your comments. Check.
 
...you can do as you wish, chevette. How is actually admitting mistakes "weaseling out"?...again, you're delirious.

...now please, point to what I "denied" or in BBB's words "STFU".
 
vette322 said:
All that shows is that you advocated for McCann in September and then advocated for Salty in November. As such, no sand required to be pounded.
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...lmao...the world according to chevette.

...no, actually, it confirms that it WAS an honest error...and that you're now relegated to semantics.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...lmao...the world according to chevette.

...no, actually, it confirms that it WAS an honest error...and that you're now relegated to semantics.
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Semantics? An honest error? You advocated for McCann before you changed to Salty, and went back to McCann AFTER the Yankees signed him. And you introduced a new excuse - "reading blunder" in the process.

Like I said - no one would care if you changed your mind and went back and forth - just about everyone does it. But the difference is, you trash anyone who takes an opinion contrary to your "current opinion", and refuse to admit that you at some point claimed the same. Kinda makes you look like a douchebag, doesn't it?
 
vette322 said:
Semantics? An honest error? You advocated for McCann before you changed to Salty, and went back to McCann AFTER the Yankees signed him. And you introduced a new excuse - "reading blunder" in the process.
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...lmao @ of all people, you trying to call me a "douche".

...are you really this dense? ...I've long lobbied for McCann and unlike you, I actually backed it up with proof...but in your alternate universe, because I mistakenly misread ONE point in a post by another person who made SEVERAL points in that same post it means that I "changed to Salty"?...check.

...for the umpteenth time, I have already admitted I obviously didn't read MB's as clearly as I should have, but for your own misguided reasons, you seem to be stuck on that singular thing, not that I'm surprised...you're really reaching here.
 
Vette, regarding the Ellsbury signing..
How much is one of the very best - if not THE best (30 yrs old) all around CFers in MLB worth?

Wait...hold on...there's more--

.298 career hitter, that's a couple/few hits away from being a .300 career hitter.
Okay, lets move on....

He has already lead the league in SB 3 times including last year and averages 55 sb.
162 game average 289 Total bases per season.
(Cano 317 total bases hitting at Yankee Stadium) <--- not to belittle Cano, I think he's absolutely one of the very best hitters in MLB but it stands to reason that Ellsbury's TOTAL BASE and SLG% numbers should improve playing 81 games per yr at Yankee Stadium

Ellsbury -career .313 BA w/risp, .314 w/ runners on base.

.301 BA in NINE post season series.
Has played his home games in one of the more unfriendly ballparks for left handed batters.

Ellsbury Will now play all of his home games at LHB friendly Yankee Stadium.

Comments welcome....Vette?
 
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blgridesagain said:
Vette, regarding the Ellsbury signing..
How much is one of the very best - if not THE best (30 yrs old) all around CFers in MLB worth?

Wait...hold on...there's more--

.298 career hitter, that's a couple/few hits away from being a .300 career hitter.
Okay, lets move on....

He has already lead the league in SB 3 times including last year and averages 55 sb.
162 game average 289 Total bases per season.
(Cano 317 total bases hitting at Yankee Stadium) <--- not to belittle Cano, I think he's absolutely one of the very best hitters in MLB but it stands to reason that Ellsbury's TOTAL BASE and SLG% numbers should improve playing 81 games per yr at Yankee Stadium

Ellsbury -career .313 BA w/risp, .314 w/ runners on base.

.301 BA in NINE post season series.
Has played his home games in one of the more unfriendly ballparks for left handed batters.

Ellsbury Will now play all of his home games at LHB friendly Yankee Stadium.

Comments welcome....Vette?
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LOL - comments? $153M for 7yrs. Earth to blg, what's the frequency? Are you cherry-picking stats to make Ellsbury look like a better player than Cano, despite your "not to belittle Cano" BS. The Red Sox didn't go higher than 5yrs/$80M on a player they brought up from a minor league, but you think the Yankees going 2 more years and almost TWICE the $$$ makes sense? Wow!
 
yankeesince59 said:
"The Red Sox offered Ellsbury two separate contracts to choose from: one for six years at less than $120 million, and one for five years and $100 million."


http://www.overthemonster.com/2013/12/4/5174452/jacoby-ellsbury-free-agency-red-sox-yankees

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...and here others say it didn't go beyond 5yrs/$80M, so who knows. But I would think the Red Sox might have gone closer to the 6yr/$120M vs. 5yr/$80M. Thought the 5yr/$80M seemed low.

http://nypost.com/2013/12/04/how-jacoby-ellsbury-became-a-yankee/

http://www.sportsoverdose.com/mlb/boston-red-sox-breaking-news-transactions

https://twitter.com/KenDavidoff
 
vette322 said:
...and here others say it didn't go beyond 5yrs/$80M, so who knows. But I would think the Red Sox might have gone closer to the 6yr/$120M vs. 5yr/$80M. Thought the 5yr/$80M seemed low.

http://nypost.com/2013/12/04/how-jacoby-ellsbury-became-a-yankee/

http://www.sportsoverdose.com/mlb/boston-red-sox-breaking-news-transactions

https://twitter.com/KenDavidoff
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Ellsbury salary last year was 9,000,000. from the Red Soxs. I don't know if there were performance bonuses attached.
 
Has this thought been mentioned. If Cano's camp might of voiced a concern on the state of the Yankee Roster going into free agency period, the Yankees may have been aggressive and acting swiftly to prove to Cano and any other potential target that the Yankees were not going backwards and that they were committed to fielding a winner in 2014.
 
^^^I'm sure it would be in the decision making process for any possible pending acquisitions to come.
 
Majorball said:
Has this thought been mentioned. If Cano's camp might of voiced a concern on the state of the Yankee Roster going into free agency period, the Yankees may have been aggressive and acting swiftly to prove to Cano and any other potential target that the Yankees were not going backwards and that they were committed to fielding a winner in 2014.
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Even in a weakened, hole-infested state - can't see how Cano could view the Mariners and their roster as a better option. I think we would all like to think the Yankees would go to $200M (if they think Ellsbury may be worth $150M+, not sure why they wouldn't go there), but anything beyond that (btw - NY Post says Mariners are now at 9yrs/$225M) is too much.
 
...Mariners were also reported to be willing to go 8 years on Elsbury and possibly a 9th...and Elsbury is from that area and still would not take the deal.
 
The Mariners have not done a very good job distancing themselves from the perception that they are a dysfunctional outpost. For a guy like Felix - it's all he knows. For guys like Ellsbury (and maybe Cano), they may not even want to give it a try.
 
I personally see the Mariners as only a pawn to raise the Yankee offer. I can't believe he would want to go there for 25 million more and 2 years less that he may still be able to bank on at 40 and 41 years old.
 
...I still think he eventually resigns and retires as a Yankee, but as far as other possible suitors, I'm actually more concerned with Texas swooping in.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...I still think he eventually resigns and retires as a Yankee, but as far as other possible suitors, I'm actually more concerned with Texas swooping in.
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The Phillies weren't even mentioned until I woke up the next morning and found Cliff Lee had gone back there in 2010. Texas is a possibility, and the Dodgers are always a threat, no matter what they say. Dark horse - the Cubs.
 
I can see it now, he sign for 9 years and 210 with Yankees and everyone will be screaming OMG, and if we lose him, everybody will be screaming OMG. In reality, that's what happens when you let your cornerstone for the post Core 4 era become a free agent. I wonder in Angel Land they are saying, Mr Trout, please pick up the red courtesy phone. I think he played last year for 500,000. Or what Arod makes in 2.8 games...
 
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