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[Chutney]

<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm sure there are many halal meat stores in Canada. There's a lot of Muslim people in Canada, enough to have lots of Halal Meat stores.</div>
I don't eat meat, so I'm not sure how helpful that is.

 

[Pakman]

<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't eat meat, so I'm not sure how helpful that is.</div>

Oh, I thought you did because you said you wished there was a Traders Joe in Canada.

 

[Chutney]

For the milk and other products that come from animals. And also because they have awesome prices.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If you don't eat meat and you don't eat spinach, where do you get your source of iron from?

There's nothing wrong with hunting and then eating your kill. Personally I don't hunt, I wouldn't have the patience for it, but there are a lot of benefits. When an area is over populated by deer, do to a lack of predators to thin out the population, then it's beneficial to have hunters replace the role of natural predators such as mountain lions, bears, or coyotes.

I don't have a problem with the animals being killed for meat, but I do have a problem with the torturing and the low living standards the farmers have for these animals.</div>

cod liver oil, i take some vitamins as well and i eat spinach, just don't like it. btw, hunting is nothing more than a draconian act. question to all: how do u morally justify eating meat? particularly in light of the presence of supplements which offsets any dietary needs.

 

[44Thrilla]

Most markets are offering all natural alternatives by now. Companies like Coleman and Creekstone Farms provide hormone free, all natural beef and pork. They also go out of their way to provide carefully researched humane animal care practices. Companies like Bell & Evans and Springer Mountain Farms also have the same standards in the poultry industry. They are free range birds, which means they aren't kept isolated in cages.

The catch is that it's more expensive than normal USDA graded meats(not much, though), which is enough to keep most people away from buying it.

 

[Shapecity]

<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">cod liver oil, i take some vitamins as well and i eat spinach, just don't like it. btw, hunting is nothing more than a draconian act. question to all: how do u morally justify eating meat? particularly in light of the presence of supplements which offsets any dietary needs.</div>

You realize the cod used to make your oil is also slaughtered and farm raised using growth hormones right? As a by product of consuming cod, Canadian fisherman have also been killing off seals, which they blame has diminished the cod fish population.

When it comes to eating meat, morals don't play a role in the thought process. I just want to eat the son of a bitch.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You realize the cod used to make your oil is also slaughtered and farm raised using growth hormones right?

When it comes to eating meat, morals don't play a role in the thought process. I just want to eat the son of a bitch.</div>

cod tortured? news to me. eat tofu, no worries with that. btw, i had some barbecued tofu last week at a chinese restaurant- easily the tastiest thing u will ever eat.

and morals are a constant in all facets of life.

 

[Shapecity]

<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">cod tortured? news to me. eat tofu, no worries with that. btw, i had some barbecued tofu last week at a chinese restaurant- easily the tastiest thing u will ever eat.

and morals are a constant in all facets of life.</div>

As a by product of consuming cod, Canadian fisherman have also been killing off seals, which they blame has diminished the cod fish population.

 

[Chutney]

Those damn Canadians....

You're right, though. There's no point in having that "holier than thou" attitude, because these issues are more complex than that.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">As a by product of consuming cod, Canadian fisherman have also been killing off seals, which they blame has diminished the cod fish population.</div>

did pamela anderson say that? my cod liver oil is imported from india, and thankfully there are no seals in india.

 

[44Thrilla]

<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">did pamela anderson say that? my cod liver oil is imported from india, and thankfully there are no seals in india.</div>
No, but there are "fish farms", which are pens in the ocean that they keep millions of fish in. There's little to no room for the fish to swim around in and they are fed antibiotics just like all the animals in the video. The fish are also slaughtered without pain killers, so there isn't much of a difference morally.

 

[NTC]

I look at it like this, we do what we have to do to survive, at the end of the day, we're all animals (or some sort of creature that needs to eat to survive), theres no difference between us killing a cow to eat then there is a lion killing a zebra for the same purpose.

However, the way it was potrayed in the video is definatley not the way to go about it, and as I mentioned, I'm comfortable in knowing that in most cases, its not like that at all.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">44Thrilla Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No, but there are "fish farms", which are pens in the ocean that they keep millions of fish in. There's little to no room for the fish to swim around in and they are fed antibiotics just like all the animals in the video. The fish are also slaughtered without pain killers, so there isn't much of a difference morally.</div>

o.k. i take u at your word and i will stop consuming cod liver oil tablets. are u going to do the same?

 

[Mamba]

<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't understand how you believe you have an opinion of the subject before even watching the video.</div>

I posted before I finished the video, I've seen it about a year or so ago. I never fully paid attention to it, mainly the part about the pigs.

 

[Mamba]

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Trader Joe's owns, they don't have a good selection of meats, but I do most of my grocery shopping from there.</div>

I love their lunch meats and cheeses, so bomb.

 

[Mamba]

<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">again your above comment betrays the logical continuum. to that end, the hunted animal feels excruciating amounts of pain</div>

Have you felt that pain? If shot properly, the animal feels a minimal amount of pain before they die.

I have a question for you and in no way is this meant to be disrespectful (or gay). What do you look like. Every single vegetarian I've met has always been pale, skinny, and they're always sick. Is it the same with you? Once again, I mean no disrespect by that.

 

[44Thrilla]

<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">o.k. i take u at your word and i will stop consuming cod liver oil tablets. are u going to do the same?</div> I have no morals.

 

[Shapecity]

<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">o.k. i take u at your word and i will stop consuming cod liver oil tablets. are u going to do the same?</div>

Just out of curiosity, have you ever eaten meat or were you forced by your religion to never try it?

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">44Thrilla Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I have no morals.</div>

good answer. the others are fleeing to the moral high ground while trying to rationalize their carnivore existence. i'm vegetarian cause i was raised that way by my parents

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Just out of curiosity, have you ever eaten meat or were you forced by your religion to never try it?</div>

don't have religion these days, but yeah i was indoctrinated into believing vegetarianism was good.

 

[Shapecity]

<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">don't have religion these days, but yeah i was indoctrinated into believing vegetarianism was good.</div>

I'm surprised the contrarian in you hasn't gone out to experience meat for yourself, instead you rely on the opinion of others (your parents) to have such a profound influence over you.

How can you grow as a person if you carry a childhood fear of eating meat?

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm surprised the contrarian in you hasn't gone out to experience meat for yourself, instead you rely on the opinion of others (your parents) to have such a profound influence over you.

How can you grow as a person if you carry a childhood fear of eating meat?</div>

i used to eat meat up until i was 8, but honestly i never enjoyed it cause it made me nauseous. contrarian? no doubt, thats why i'm a vegetarian.

 

[Shapecity]

<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i used to eat meat up until i was 8, but honestly i never enjoyed it cause it made me nauseous. contrarian? no doubt, thats why i'm a vegetarian.</div>

I think it made you nauseous because of your parents' influence. They engrained it into your head that meat is bad. You never gave meat a fair chance, maybe you never can, but as you get older your tastebuds change. You owe it to yourself to give it a second chance, a fair chance.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think it made you nauseous because of your parents' influence. They engrained it into your head that meat is bad. You never gave meat a fair chance, maybe you never can, but as you get older your tastebuds change. You owe it to yourself to give it a second chance, a fair chance.</div>

honestly vegetarianism is not something discussed at home. when i said indoctrinated, i was referring to the other hindu's (the faith i was raised in). btw, the taste of food is nothing special to me, although, i enjoy the taste of a cold beverage every so often.

 

[Chutney]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">I have a question for you and in no way is this meant to be disrespectful (or gay). What do you look like. Every single vegetarian I've met has always been pale, skinny, and they're always sick. Is it the same with you? Once again, I mean no disrespect by that.</div>
I used to be real skinny when I was a kid, but I'm in pretty good shape. Still got a more lanky body type, but I've started building muscle over the last two years and I think I have a pretty good balance. Being a vegetarian isn't as restrictive now as it once was. There are lots of alternatives and, as long as your aware of what a healthy diet requires, you can manage without meat. Plus, so much stuff is processed these days, that being vegetarian doesn't necessarily mean you'll be starving. You'd be surprised how many fatass vegetarians I've met.

Also, I'm not trying to convince people to not eat meat or anything. It all boils down to personal choice. I'm not one to force my perspective onto others.

 

[Karma]

Deception, did you choose to refrain from meat cause of your moral beliefs or because your parents influenced to stay away from meat at an early age? As far as hinduism goes, I'm a hindu myself, but I eat all meats (except beef, which I avoid, but I've had it before as well).

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Deception, did you choose to refrain from meat cause of your moral beliefs or because your parents influenced in staying away from meat at an early age. As far as hinduism goes, I'm a hindu myself, but I eat all meats (except beef, which I avoid, but I've had it before as well).</div>

honestly as i was telling shape, it wasn't my parents, it was other hindu's. i was 8 when i decided to choose a vegetarian lifestyle so no, it wasn't a conscientious, moral choice. today at 24, i would say i'm a vegetarian cause its a lifestyle i can't change.

btw boys and girls, ricky williams and carl lewis are vegetarians.

 

[Legacy]

Man, that video was sick.

 

[Skiptomylue11]

This thread has a lot of responses in a short amount of time, I haven't watched the video yet, but I probably will see what all the commotion is about.

 

[M Two One]

Once again, it is OK to kill cattle if you do it the correct way. In France they are free and have normal, happy lives before they are properly killed, which is usually by having their throat cut the correct way that they drop dead instantly. I see it all the time, it is just a natural process like that. Sure there's a lot of blood, but that is the farmer's job to do it if he or she sells the meat to companies. That's why you don't find many diseases coming from animals in this region.

People in France tend to eat a lot of meat during the week, usually always for dinner, but they've made it illegal to kill the animals as such was in the video. I'm not saying they're better so don't get me wrong I just give them credit for doing things the right way. Perfect example that even though there is a large population you don't need to make the "speedy progress" a part of your food process. Also, I'm surprised to see so many replies in such a short period of time.

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Trader Joe's owns, they don't have a good selection of meats, but I do most of my grocery shopping from there.</div>

I love their stores, they don't sell veggies and fruits that have been sprayed with pesticides. You can taste the difference in those products especially. Actually though, the Trader Joe's where I live has pretty good meat, but I tend to go a small place called Randy's Market for chicken and lunchmeats. They sell rare Boar's Head products, which taste amazing compared to any other stuff, just that it is extremely expensive. However, I go by that old saying you get what you pay for.

Also Chutney, I believe there is a Trader Joe's in Canada. Only it isn't called Trader Joe's, but it is an affiliate of their's. Trader Joe's is a worldwide thing only they just don't have shops in every country. These affiliates should have the same products though possibly with different names.

<div class="quote_poster">Bahir Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Saying that it's a sport is fallacious, since sport implies that there is some sort of competition, and, at least in my opinion, that the odds are even between the contestants.</div>

I agree entirely with that.