Melo & Dirk on All-NBA 3rd team over Lamarcus Aldridge

[Rhal]

meh can't expect la to make it with missing the last of the season and us missing the playoffs. would have needed about five more rebounds a game to pull that one off.

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[HailBlazers]

Same here. Its the small town mentality of our fans.

Poll the GM's around the league which player they'd rather have, guarantee the majority would agree: LMA

 

[MickZagger]

Poll the GM's around the league which player they'd rather have, guarantee the majority would agree: LMA

Link?

 

[Rhal]

Poll the GM's around the league which player they'd rather have, guarantee the majority would agree: LMA

I love la would rather have him then klove everyday of the week but id thinl gms would choose Love.

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[3RA1N1AC]

^ You never give me any rep on here! I'm first team all S2 and you never give me props!

you are the stingiest rep giver in the history of the internet, so kiete puto

 

[oldmangrouch]

Same argument that people have against Love. Putting up big stats on a non playoff team right?

Gotta "love" the irony.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And Win Shares

Not Melo. Aldridge beats him in both total win shares and WS/48.

Maybe because he is an unstoppable scorer.

LeBron (defensive player of the year candidate) couldn't slow him down.

An unstoppable scorer that shot 43% on the year. He put up 2 ppg more than Aldridge? Coulda sworn there was more to the game than shooting every third time your team has the ball. Aldridge was better across the board than Melo this year. You have to really stretch to argue otherwise.

 

[Natebishop3]

Same here. Its the small town mentality of our fans.

I was talking to a buddy the other day who lives in Cali and he's always been a Bulls fan. I said what do you think of Luke Babbitt, he started coming on strong towards the end of the year. He said, see thats whats wrong with you Blazeer fans is you fall in love with scrubs and hope they save the day. Such a small town mentality.

I guess he's right.

Nobody is "falling in love" with Luke Babbitt. All he did was prove that he isn't completely terrible. That's a pretty big step up from what most people thought of him. I think if you took a poll, most people would STILL cut the guy right now if they could get the cap space.

I think the "small town mentality" comes from having to cultivate all our talent. The big markets feel like they're entitled to all the best players, like a guy should just want to play in LA or NY. Since we almost never get a premier free agent, we either have to draft em or trade for em. That's why we become attached to our guys.

 

[Masbee]

Not Melo. Aldridge beats him in both total win shares and WS/48.



An unstoppable scorer that shot 43% on the year. He put up 2 ppg more than Aldridge? Coulda sworn there was more to the game than shooting every third time your team has the ball. Aldridge was better across the board than Melo this year. You have to really stretch to argue otherwise.

And Blazer fans have to really stretch to try to argue that Aldridge got "screwed".

Carmelo and LA Win Share numbers are virtually identical.

And you critisize Carmelo's shooting percentage in the playoffs when he was the only player the Heat had to bother guarding. You try playing one on five offense. But try this on - check out LA's numbers in the playoffs. Even in prior season's. Carmelo has had some good playoff series (and some stinkers). LA has never had a good series yet.

I personally would rather build a team around LA, but to claim he has been head and shoulders better than Carmelo is not supported by the numbers.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And Blazer fans have to really stretch to try to argue that Aldridge got "screwed".

Carmelo and LA Win Share numbers are virtually identical.

And you critisize Carmelo's shooting percentage in the playoffs when he was the only player the Heat had to bother guarding. You try playing one on five offense. But try this on - check out LA's numbers in the playoffs. Even in prior season's. Carmelo has had some good playoff series (and some stinkers). LA has never had a good series yet.

I personally would rather build a team around LA, but to claim he has been head and shoulders better than Carmelo is not supported by the numbers.

I said nothing about the playoffs. I'm comparing regular season numbers, since this is a regular season award. And I never said Aldridge was "head and shoulders" better; I said he was better "across the board". That is to say, in virtually every metric, Aldridge was better than Melo this year. Shooting, rebounding, PER, TS%, eFG%, win shares, +/-, basically everything other than points and assists.

The numbers don't hurt my statement; they support it.

 

[e_blazer]

I said nothing about the playoffs. I'm comparing regular season numbers, since this is a regular season award. And I never said Aldridge was "head and shoulders" better; I said he was better "across the board". That is to say, in virtually every metric, Aldridge was better than Melo this year. Shooting, rebounding, PER, TS%, eFG%, win shares, +/-, basically everything other than points and assists.

The numbers don't hurt my statement; they support it.

You forgot the stat that counts the most: TV market size.

 

[Masbee]

I said nothing about the playoffs. I'm comparing regular season numbers, since this is a regular season award. And I never said Aldridge was "head and shoulders" better; I said he was better "across the board". That is to say, in virtually every metric, Aldridge was better than Melo this year. Shooting, rebounding, PER, TS%, eFG%, win shares, +/-, basically everything other than points and assists.

The numbers don't hurt my statement; they support it.

Shooting is included in PER
Rebounding is included in PER
TS% is included in PER

+/- is included in WinShares

You can make it seem like LA is "better" in a bunch of categories with tons of redundancy.

It is just a lot of noise.

Carmelo 21.1 PER, .160 WinShar per 48
LaMarcus 22.7 PER, .169 WinShar per 48

No matter how you shake it, Carmelo and LA were roughly on PAR.

So, you are a voter who isn't a Blazer fan, do you pick the player who has showed up for some playoffs? Who has been the number fucking one offensive option on the USA team?

Come on!

Get over the NW persecution complex. It is old, tired and boring.

LA didn't get jobbed. He needs to play better and have a bigger impact on the game.

Then he can get jobbed.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

IMO, the biggest fallacies in your previous post were:

+/- is included in WinShares

Carmelo 21.1 PER, .160 WinShar per 48
LaMarcus 22.7 PER, .169 WinShar per 48

No matter how you shake it, Carmelo and LA were roughly on PAR.

LA didn't get jobbed. He needs to play better and have a bigger impact on the game.

The biggest argument in favor of LA is the fact that he has a MUCH bigger impact on the game than 'Melo does.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11POR13.HTM#onoff
http://www.82games.com/1112/11NYK10.HTM#onoff

Check the figures--quite simply, Portland was a much better team when LA was on the floor (by one of the largest margins in the NBA), whereas NY actually performed better without Carmelo than with him. Even if you ignore LA's statistical superiority, his team impact shows that he was better this year than 'Melo was.

Oh, and one other thing...

So, you are a voter who isn't a Blazer fan, do you pick the player who has showed up for some playoffs? Who has been the number fucking one offensive option on the USA team?

Playoffs and Olympic team record are irrelevant (or at least should be) in terms of the regular-season all-NBA team voting. If those were considered, then it's further support to my claim that LA got jobbed. Which he did.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Sorry, but all this "LMA got jobbed" talk strikes me as very misguided. Do we really need/want to elevate individual accomplishments above team accomplishments?

IMHO, the Blazers underachieved as a team - ergo no individual on the team deserves to be rewarded with individual glory. The highest praise you can give any of them is to say "he wasn't a big part of the problem."

 

[Masbee]

IMO, the biggest fallacies in your previous post were:



The biggest argument in favor of LA is the fact that he has a MUCH bigger impact on the game than 'Melo does.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11POR13.HTM#onoff
http://www.82games.com/1112/11NYK10.HTM#onoff

Check the figures--quite simply, Portland was a much better team when LA was on the floor (by one of the largest margins in the NBA), whereas NY actually performed better without Carmelo than with him. Even if you ignore LA's statistical superiority, his team impact shows that he was better this year than 'Melo was.

Oh, and one other thing...



Playoffs and Olympic team record are irrelevant (or at least should be) in terms of the regular-season all-NBA team voting. If those were considered, then it's further support to my claim that LA got jobbed. Which he did.

+/- and on court/off court numbers are very "noisy". Can't be relied to make a claim of one player on one team vs. another player on another team.

When the candidates are CLOSE (as they are, regardless of you keep repeating the same thing over and over and over doesn't change the fact that they were close);

the those VERY VERY impressive past accomplishments (compared to LA's) do matter. Like a lot.

 

[RR7]

Why should past accomplishments be taken into account AT ALL in choosing an All NBA team for THIS season? That's ridiculous. It's not some career achievement award. I's an award for this season. Making the olympics means nothing.

 

[jlprk]

Carmelo can dribble and Aldridge can't. That makes Anthony MUCH better.

 

[jlprk]

you are the stingiest rep giver in the history of the internet, so kiete puto

I'm working for that trophy. I haven't checked my refs in over a year, and I haven't given any in over two.