Merged: |0fficial| Trade Deadline (1 Viewer)

[Orion Bailey]

CJ/Plums for Whiteside or CJ for Noel and picks.

I wouldn't seriously entertain either. I don't think CJ's value can get much higher in the short time frame we have to make a move.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Here is a good one I'd definitely take.

https://theringer.com/the-nbas-midseason-arms-race-is-upon-us-158ff3ee2b86#.8mgy5gct4

If Bryan Colangelo is finally ready to cash in on Sam Hinkie’s assets, trading for McCollum would make sense. Here’s an idea to mull over: The Blazers send McCollum to the Sixers for Noel, the Sixers’ unprotected 2017 first, the Kings’ top-10-protected 2018 first (which is becomes unprotected in 2019), and multiple second-round picks. There would be financial kinks to work out because of the poison pill, but that would be the base offer. If you’re a Blazers fan, your first reaction is probably to click out of this article, but wait! A trade of this magnitude accomplishes two big things: In Noel they would have a young, elite rim protector who fits on both ends, and it would provide Portland general manager Neil Olshey with the flexibility to retool in a way more conducive to title hunting. The Blazers would probably say goodbye to the playoffs — as bad as Lillard and McCollum are together on D, the Blazers are even worse on defense when Lillard is on the floor without McCollum — but that’s kind of the point here. With threefirst-round picks in a stellar 2017 draft, Olshey would have tons of ammo to put them in the conversation for superstar trades. If they kept those picks, they could find players that are better fits alongside Lillard, like Washington combo-guard Markelle Fultz or Duke forward Jayson Tatum.

Hmm. Yes, I think I would take that too. I would be VERY surprised if the Sixers offered it, though.

 

[Sarni]

Hmm. Yes, I think I would take that too. I would be VERY surprised if the Sixers offered it, though.

It makes sense for them. Noel they might be willing to trade anyway as they have too many players in his position. In CJ they get a shooting guard they will not be able to draft this year even with their two high picks (their and Lakers as it's only top 3 protected and it doesn't look like Lakers will be bottom 3) simply because he's had 4 years of development in the league. They will still have a top 10 pick from Lakers probably, and will be able to draft a decent point guard talent as top 10 of draft is full of them (Smith, Fox, Fultz, Ball and probably some others).

Next Summer will be a true game changer for Sixers IMO. First time in years that they will be able to draft good backcourt players with their high picks. They will probably get 2.

 

[TBpup]

Here is a good one I'd definitely take.

https://theringer.com/the-nbas-midseason-arms-race-is-upon-us-158ff3ee2b86#.8mgy5gct4

If Bryan Colangelo is finally ready to cash in on Sam Hinkie’s assets, trading for McCollum would make sense. Here’s an idea to mull over: The Blazers send McCollum to the Sixers for Noel, the Sixers’ unprotected 2017 first, the Kings’ top-10-protected 2018 first (which is becomes unprotected in 2019), and multiple second-round picks. There would be financial kinks to work out because of the poison pill, but that would be the base offer. If you’re a Blazers fan, your first reaction is probably to click out of this article, but wait! A trade of this magnitude accomplishes two big things: In Noel they would have a young, elite rim protector who fits on both ends, and it would provide Portland general manager Neil Olshey with the flexibility to retool in a way more conducive to title hunting. The Blazers would probably say goodbye to the playoffs — as bad as Lillard and McCollum are together on D, the Blazers are even worse on defense when Lillard is on the floor without McCollum — but that’s kind of the point here. With threefirst-round picks in a stellar 2017 draft, Olshey would have tons of ammo to put them in the conversation for superstar trades. If they kept those picks, they could find players that are better fits alongside Lillard, like Washington combo-guard Markelle Fultz or Duke forward Jayson Tatum.

Would have to at least consider that due to the reset it would help with on the Salary Cap side of things and the defensive improvement. Also, Crabbe might finally be ready to step into that starting role so the fall off wouldn't be so big on the offensive end (totally different types of players) and it should help some on the defense in the back court.

Combine all the picks + cap flexibility and I'd be up for that. Have to figure out the PP provision but since Portland isn't doing anything with all this guard offense, need to look at something else.

 

[HolyBackboard]

Here is a good one I'd definitely take.

https://theringer.com/the-nbas-midseason-arms-race-is-upon-us-158ff3ee2b86#.8mgy5gct4

If Bryan Colangelo is finally ready to cash in on Sam Hinkie’s assets, trading for McCollum would make sense. Here’s an idea to mull over: The Blazers send McCollum to the Sixers for Noel, the Sixers’ unprotected 2017 first, the Kings’ top-10-protected 2018 first (which is becomes unprotected in 2019), and multiple second-round picks. There would be financial kinks to work out because of the poison pill, but that would be the base offer. If you’re a Blazers fan, your first reaction is probably to click out of this article, but wait! A trade of this magnitude accomplishes two big things: In Noel they would have a young, elite rim protector who fits on both ends, and it would provide Portland general manager Neil Olshey with the flexibility to retool in a way more conducive to title hunting. The Blazers would probably say goodbye to the playoffs — as bad as Lillard and McCollum are together on D, the Blazers are even worse on defense when Lillard is on the floor without McCollum — but that’s kind of the point here. With threefirst-round picks in a stellar 2017 draft, Olshey would have tons of ammo to put them in the conversation for superstar trades. If they kept those picks, they could find players that are better fits alongside Lillard, like Washington combo-guard Markelle Fultz or Duke forward Jayson Tatum.

Gotta ask for the Lakers pick instead of the Kings 2018 pick imo.

 

[Minstrel]

Forget about Okafor. Can't rebound, can't defend.

And can't score efficiently. Which is a pretty bad sign, considering that was supposed to be his bankable skill.

 

[Sinobas]

And for Butler you absolutely must give up either CJ or Lillard. He's a top player in great from, if Chicago are looking for offers they will want something which will allow them to build their future on, not scrubs. Last Summer they were rumored to be willing to trade him for Minnesota's pick (which turned into Dunn) and some fillers but he was in a different position back then, not quite the All-Star quality he has displayed since. I bet the likes of Philadelphia, Boston and Minnesota now regret not swapping their players or picks for him. Boston would have probably got him for Smart plus #3 pick. I still fail to understand why they didn't trade that pick and went with Jaylen who was projected 5-7, he's played 13 MPG with 5 PPG so far and it's almost halfway through season so it's not like they needed him badly NOW and they are in win now mode with Thomas, Horford and Bradley all at their peak.

CJ for Butler would improve our team big time. And actually, even Dame for Butler would as well, but Portland won't trade the face of the franchise.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

will be able to draft a decent point guard talent as top 10 of draft is full of them (Smith, Fox, Fultz, Ball and probably some others).

Next Summer will be a true game changer for Sixers IMO. First time in years that they will be able to draft good backcourt players with their high picks. They will probably get 2.

I think they think they have their PG: Simmons. That's why CJ makes perfect sense for them, because he can play off the ball in the PG slot.

 

[Natebishop3]

CJ for Noel/Pick is....... not great.

CJ for Whiteside would be better, but eh...... I'm not sure.

If we're going to trade CJ, it has to be for a comparable star. Is Whiteside a comparable star? He's averaging 17 ppg, 14 rebounds, 2.2 blocks, and a 21.8 PER. That's pretty damn good.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Gotta ask for the Lakers pick instead of the Kings 2018 pick imo.

You can always ask...

 

[TBpup]

CJ for Noel/Pick is....... not great.

CJ for Whiteside would be better, but eh...... I'm not sure.

If we're going to trade CJ, it has to be for a comparable star. Is Whiteside a comparable star? He's averaging 17 ppg, 14 rebounds, 2.2 blocks, and a 21.8 PER. That's pretty damn good.

But if Noel came with multiple picks, I'd have to think about it. Philly has 3 first round Draft picks this year and of all of them, Sacramento's is the worst pick....imagine that. Theirs, the Lakers and the Kings. Portland wouldn't get all of them but if you could get two plus having your own.....hmmm. That is a lot of leverage to do something else as well.

 

[blue9]

But if Noel came with multiple picks, I'd have to think about it. Philly has 3 first round Draft picks this year and of all of them, Sacramento's is the worst pick....imagine that. Theirs, the Lakers and the Kings. Portland wouldn't get all of them but if you could get two plus having your own.....hmmm. That is a lot of leverage to do something else as well.

Yeah, PHI+SACorLAL picks are what make that trade interesting. If this is suppose to be a talent-heavy draft, that might be the best route to take. We need talent on cheap contracts.

 

[craigehlo]

CJ locked up for a long time is too valuable to trade for anything in this draft. Maybe if there were some elite bigs, but there are no Embiid or Cousins coming from the college ranks this year. We need to be buyers and not sellers to turn this thing around. Noel and picks puts this team back into the lottery for another 2 seasons at least if you lose CJ.

 

[Natebishop3]

But if Noel came with multiple picks, I'd have to think about it. Philly has 3 first round Draft picks this year and of all of them, Sacramento's is the worst pick....imagine that. Theirs, the Lakers and the Kings. Portland wouldn't get all of them but if you could get two plus having your own.....hmmm. That is a lot of leverage to do something else as well.

That's hitting a major reset button, and there's no guarantee the picks will pan out. I think if you trade into the draft when you know there's a can't miss prospect, that's one thing, but trading for picks before the order is set is a pretty big risk. CJ is a star. Dude could go to many teams and be the best player, and I think he'll be an All-Star soon. If we're going to trade him, it has to be for a comparable star.

 

[TBpup]

That's hitting a major reset button, and there's no guarantee the picks will pan out. I think if you trade into the draft when you know there's a can't miss prospect, that's one thing, but trading for picks before the order is set is a pretty big risk. CJ is a star. Dude could go to many teams and be the best player, and I think he'll be an All-Star soon. If we're going to trade him, it has to be for a comparable star.

I agree he is a star...and if he and Dame weren't so similar in being smaller guards that are ball dominant with little defense, we wouldn't even consider this. But since there is duplication, it is the best chance to get something back of value BECAUSE he is that good. This team is so out of balance that it has almost no chance on many nights.

Aminu had a nice stretch last season but that is looking more and more like the exception to the rule. The vast majority of his career looks much more like what we are seeing now that what we saw last season. His dribbling isn't even at a college acceptable level and you can't be a stretch '4' when your shot is as consistently bad as his is. Nice role player as a defensive asset but not as a starting PF on a quality team.

Same goes for Plumlee. Nice offensive passing center but when the rest of your team is so bad at defense, it's a spot that needs more of a protective nature to it.

 

[Natebishop3]

I agree he is a star...and if he and Dame weren't so similar in being smaller guards that are ball dominant with little defense, we wouldn't even consider this. But since there is duplication, it is the best chance to get something back of value BECAUSE he is that good. This team is so out of balance that it has almost no chance on many nights.

Aminu had a nice stretch last season but that is looking more and more like the exception to the rule. The vast majority of his career looks much more like what we are seeing now that what we saw last season. His dribbling isn't even at a college acceptable level and you can't be a stretch '4' when your shot is as consistently bad as his is. Nice role player as a defensive asset but not as a starting PF on a quality team.

Same goes for Plumlee. Nice offensive passing center but when the rest of your team is so bad at defense, it's a spot that needs more of a protective nature to it.

I would trade him for a guy like Whiteside. Someone that we know could come in and make an immediate difference. Whiteside is 27 so he fits with Dame's window. Frankly though, I'm wondering if we could convince them to do Crabbe+filler for Whiteside. I want that three star lineup and I'm wondering if we could get Whiteside and someone like Wiggins. If we can't do Crabbe for Whiteside and it has to be CJ, I'd try to get Whiteside and Serge Ibaka.

 

[chzbrgr]

IF we're shopping CJ we're shopping the wrong player IMO

 

[Natebishop3]

IF we're shopping CJ we're shopping the wrong player IMO

CJ isn't a point guard. The best teams in the league (with the exception of San Antonio) all have All-Star point guards.

East
Cleveland - Kyrie Irving
Toronto - Kyle Lowrie
Boston - Isaiah Thomas

West
Golden State - Curry
San Antonio - ???
Houston - Harden
LAC - Paul

So out of the top 7 teams in the league, all but one have a star point guard.

 

[chzbrgr]

CJ isn't a point guard. The best teams in the league (with the exception of San Antonio) all have All-Star point guards.

East
Cleveland - Kyrie Irving
Toronto - Kyle Lowrie
Boston - Isaiah Thomas

West
Golden State - Curry
San Antonio - ???
Houston - Harden
LAC - Paul

So out of the top 7 teams in the league, all but one have a star point guard.

"positions we're invented so a novice could understand the game"

- Jaylen Rose

 

[Orion Bailey]

"positions we're invented so a novice could understand the game"

- Jaylen Rose

Thats more so for forwards. Any great team needs a great general at the PG position in my opinion in todays game.

 

[chzbrgr]

Thats more so for forwards. Any great team needs a great general at the PG position in my opinion in todays game.

the idea that there is some archetype for how to play guard or forward is poppycock

 

[Natebishop3]

"positions we're invented so a novice could understand the game"

- Jaylen Rose

You could at least spell his name right if you're going to quote him.

Maybe "positions" were invented so a novice could understand the game, but roles are absolutely vital to a team's success, and Damian Lillard is the floor general of this team. He's the distributor. CJ might be the superior overall scorer, but he's not a distributor. The only reason why this problem exists is because Dame and CJ share too many similarities.

 

[Blazinaway]

I would trade him for a guy like Whiteside. Someone that we know could come in and make an immediate difference. Whiteside is 27 so he fits with Dame's window. Frankly though, I'm wondering if we could convince them to do Crabbe+filler for Whiteside. I want that three star lineup and I'm wondering if we could get Whiteside and someone like Wiggins. If we can't do Crabbe for Whiteside and it has to be CJ, I'd try to get Whiteside and Serge Ibaka.

"convince them" to do that Crabbe and "filler" for Whiteside? I am a POR homer and that is a horrible offer. CJ for Whiteside "straight up IMO is about as good as you are going to get

 

[Orion Bailey]

the idea that there is some archetype for how to play guard or forward is poppycock

Not what I am saying, though I see why it seems that way. What I am saying is that regardless of positions, in today's game, a great team needs a great primary Floor General/Distributor. This is not CJ's best game.

 

[Minstrel]

Frankly though, I'm wondering if we could convince them to do Crabbe+filler for Whiteside.

I hope you're not spending too much time wondering.

A quicker way to resolve this wondering: A Miami fan suggests that they re-sign Dion Waiters to an $16M/year 4-year deal and trade him to Portland with a pick for McCollum. How interested are you? That's exactly how interested Miami would be in Crabbe and a pick for Whiteside.

 

[Natebishop3]

"convince them" to do that Crabbe and "filler" for Whiteside? I am a POR homer and that is a horrible offer. CJ for Whiteside "straight up IMO is about as good as you are going to get

By "filler" I mean anything on the team besides Dame and CJ.

 

[Minstrel]

By "filler" I mean anything on the team besides Dame and CJ.

Portland doesn't have anything much of value outside of Lillard and Gollum. Harkless and draft picks are about it and I don't see them cutting bait on Whiteside for Hark and a pick or two. Especially considering that Crabbe is a net negative at his salary.

 

[Natebishop3]

I hope you're not spending too much time wondering.

A quicker way to resolve this wondering: A Miami fan suggests that they re-sign Dion Waiters to an $16M/year 4-year deal and trade him to Portland with a pick for McCollum. How interested are you? That's exactly how interested Miami would be in Crabbe and a pick for Whiteside.

Dion Waiters has had his shot on two other teams. Nobody wants him. He's the very definition of a journeyman at this point.

And I didn't say "Crabbe and a pick." My meaning of Crabbe+filler is literally anyone else on the team except Dame and CJ. Maybe they don't go for it, maybe they would only accept CJ, so be it. I believe Crabbe could be a very good starter in this league. So if we offered Crabbe/Harkless/(whatever) maybe that would be enough. Miami needs to rebuild and Whiteside doesn't fit their window. I'm not sure what kind of offers they're getting.

 

[chzbrgr]

He's the distributor.

this made me laugh, not gunna lie Dame is a volume scorer from the one spot don't get it twisted. THATS why him and CJ got so many of those similarities. If Cj was running point he'd average just as many assists as dame this is a silly argument BOTH are score first players one is just more efficient at it.

Correct name spelling or not the sentiment holds true.

 

[blue9]

CJ locked up for a long time is too valuable to trade for anything in this draft. Maybe if there were some elite bigs, but there are no Embiid or Cousins coming from the college ranks this year. We need to be buyers and not sellers to turn this thing around. Noel and picks puts this team back into the lottery for another 2 seasons at least if you lose CJ.

We might be in that same position with CJ.

For the record, I'd still like to see what these two can do under a coach with a better plan than "chuck it".