Merged: Cousins traded to N'Awlins (for some Cajun shrimp)

[Sarni]

I guess I'm in the minority, but I think this was a great move for Sac.

There is no way that was a good deal. The only positive out of this for Kings is that their pick will now not go to Chicago because it's top 10 protected and there is no way in hell that team will now avoid being a top 10 lotto pick. This could have been achieved without this ridiculous deal too.

Hield is not a great player. He is not even that young, he is older than Bradley Beal who has been in the league for 4 years for example. Galloway is just a rotation player. Tyreke will leave at the end of season. New Orleans pick will now probably be 16-20 range.

 

[PDXFonz]

What makes this worse (and maybe it was said already) but apparently Pistons put up Drummond for Cousions and sac said no. LOOOOOL. I mean, there's bad decisions, then there's taking NO's offer when you could have a great center in return. Unreal.

If that's true then I'll shed a tear for every die hard kings fan. Wow I'd be sick to my stomach if Neil made such an incompetent decision.

We're not talking about a 2-3 year rebuild with buddy, we are talking 5-10 years. With Drummond they could at least have put something as competitive as they had together in 2-3 years.

 

[PDXFonz]

Several reasons.

1. Don't think he nor Sac wanted to re-sign this offseason.

2. Too much of a head case to win anything at this point.

3. Sac is not done dealing. Vlade trying to mimic Ainge plan in Boston

1. Cousins is a free agent after next season, not this season. There was plenty of time to listen to offers on him.

2. That is yet to be seen. You could be correct, or the Kings could be an extremely poorly ran organization which never put the right players around him.

3. They got two picks out of their runaway most valuable player. Danny Ainge laughs at the comparison.

 

[dviss1]

This reminds me of when Webber was traded to Washington to pair up with Juwan Howard. It didn't work.

Anthony Davis is the exact stretch power forward that we are lacking. He and cousins will work perfect together. It's not like Webber/Howard at all.

 

[Sarni]

Several reasons.

1. Don't think he nor Sac wanted to re-sign this offseason.

2. Too much of a head case to win anything at this point.

3. Sac is not done dealing. Vlade trying to mimic Ainge plan in Boston

Trying to mimic Ainge's plan by sending their picks to Philadelphia while stripping down the team to the core minimum?

 

[dviss1]

You probably think I'm super crazy... Jokic looks like a Bird/Sabonis/Magic Johnson type freak. Only 21 and there's nothing that kid can't do. They got him with the 41st pick? Good lawd.

Whoooaaaa Nelly....

Bruh... Whatever you're smoking, PASS THAT SHIT!

 

[craigehlo]

Let's not forget Mitch Kupchak is also an awful GM. The Lakers turned down trading Brandon Ingram for Cousins, who reportedly likes LA as a destination. They would have had a great shot as resigning him.

 

[jlprk]

Two stars who are used to getting the ball, will get into each other's way, whose shots overlap...Nope. Look at how perfectly their favorite shots complement each other.

Cousins is Mr. Inside-Outside and Davis (the uterus pattern) is the forward.

 

[Sarni]

Let's not forget Mitch Kupchak is also an awful GM. The Lakers turned down trading Brandon Ingram for Cousins, who reportedly likes LA as a destination. They would have had a great shot as resigning him.

I refuse to believe this. Ingram for Cousins would have been a better deal for Sacramento but still an utterly terrible one, but Lakers would have never turned that down. That'd be unthinkable for a) Sacramento to suggest this willingly, b) Lakers turn that down. That is actually two franchises acting like idiots.

 

[PDXFonz]

Is there a team in the league that has the players to guard that front court? Meyers Leonard's trade value just went up. Leonard for Durant? Sell it as thr only way the Warriors will stop the towers!

 

[Mediocre Man]

There is no way that was a good deal. The only positive out of this for Kings is that their pick will now not go to Chicago because it's top 10 protected and there is no way in hell that team will now avoid being a top 10 lotto pick. This could have been achieved without this ridiculous deal too.

Hield is not a great player. He is not even that young, he is older than Bradley Beal who has been in the league for 4 years for example. Galloway is just a rotation player. Tyreke will leave at the end of season. New Orleans pick will now probably be 16-20 range.

Let me pose a question to you.

Looking back, assuming Portland was a clear non contender, and he was a complete malcontent and cancer, would you have traded Aldridge for 2 1sts instead of losing him for nothing

 

[PDXFonz]

 

[Sarni]

Two stars who are used to getting the ball, will get into each other's way, whose shots overlap...Nope. Look at how perfectly their favorite shots complement each other.

Cousins is Mr. Inside-Outside and Davis (the uterus pattern) is the forward.

They will be an insane frontcourt. Both can stretch the play, both are good defenders and rebounders (Davis even elite) and both are capable of scoring 30+ on most nights (even 40+). It's not even the case of one team having two great players, it's a case of a team having two generational talents in positions that are hardest to defend in today's NBA largely because of how much small ball has been adopted.

 

[craigehlo]

I refuse to believe this. Ingram for Cousins would have been a better deal for Sacramento but still an utterly terrible one, but Lakers would have never turned that down. That'd be unthinkable for a) Sacramento to suggest this willingly, b) Lakers turn that down. That is actually two franchises acting like idiots.

It was reported that the talks broke down when Ingram wouldn't be included. Yes, the Lakers are still awful too.

 

[PDXFonz]

Also, that SW division is unbelievable now. HOU, SA, MEM, NOP, DAL

 

[Sarni]

Let me pose a question to you.

Looking back, assuming Portland was a clear non contender, and he was a complete malcontent and cancer, would you have traded Aldridge for 2 1sts instead of losing him for nothing

They did not get two firsts, they got one which will end up being around 16-18 most likely, and a player who is 23, was a no 5 pick in a poor draft and was drafter at an advanced age for a rookie and has generally not proven to be a good draft pick so far. I would not have traded Aldridge for that 1.5 years before his contract runs out, no chance.

Buddy Hield and a mid-first rounder for Cousins is a terrible deal. They literally got nothing back.

 

[PDXFonz]

They did not get two firsts, they got one which will end up being around 16-18 most likely, and a player who is 23, was a no 5 pick in a poor draft and was drafter at an advanced age for a rookie and has generally not proven to be a good draft pick so far. I would not have traded Aldridge for that 1.5 years before his contract runs out, no chance.

Buddy Hield and a mid-first rounder for Cousins is a terrible deal. They literally got nothing back.

And if the Pelicans go on a tear which is very possible, then that pick could end up being in the low 20's.

On the plus side this bodes well for the Kings' own pick. They might win 3 games the rest of the season, Boogie literally was their team.

 

[craigehlo]

The problem with trading for Buddy is that the Kings have a horrible track record of developing guards and most young talent in general. He'll be Ben McLemore 2.0. They should have at least got Ingram and picks from LA, since he has some physical tools.

 

[Sarni]

And if the Pelicans go on a tear which is very possible, then that pick could end up being in the low 20's.

On the plus side this bodes well for the Kings' own pick. They might win 3 games the rest of the season, Boogie literally was their team.

Kings will tank badly but even if they get a top 3 pick they will have to give it to 76ers if it's better than theirs. There is a good chance 76ers will end up with no. 7 or something.

Considering Kings history of drafting...

 

[STOMP]

Yeah, but having $55M or so tied up in 2 players? And Jrue Holliday wanting a payday this summer? Ouch.

You're aghast at the new NBA salary landscape. Portland has 50M tied up in Lillard and CJ. Crabbe & Turner make 35M between them... hell Meyers & Harkless both are scheduled to make 10M. If anything, the Pels have wiggle room to land a decent FA or two to add to their mix after signing Jrue.

Ouch is Curry's next contract

STOMP

 

[jlprk]

Boogie and the Brow are the new singing group! I like this article. I put excerpts that are general in the first rectangle, and X's and O's in the second.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/...have-the-golden-state-warriors-worried-022017

...it’s unlikely that the Pelicans thought the deal would go through. Why think three or four steps down the line of something no logical person would think could happen. But it did happen — the Sacramento Kings really did accept a package that boils down to Buddy Hield and a first-round pick in exchange for DeMarcus Cousins.

Cousins is a generational talent at center — his athleticism and versatility is matched by only two big men in the NBA right now. One of those players is Minnesota Timberwolves wunderkind Karl-Anthony Towns, who is 20. The other is Anthony Davis...

The Pelicans are almost certainly going to make the playoffs — sorry Nuggets — as they’re 2.5 games out of the 8 seed. New Orleans could go higher than that, but not by much — maybe the 7 seed is in play.

...the era of a true front court is over — teams are not only stretching their power forwards (which is more appropriately referred to as the four), there’s a league-wide trend to stretch the 5 in smallball lineups...New Orleans can run a five-out system — that’s what team like to run when playing smallball. That’s how talented both big men are. Teams stretch the center with players like Draymond Green (6-foot-7) to space the floor — both Cousins and Davis can do just that without sacrificing a thing with size, hence their generational status.

...the core play should be a high 1-5 pick and roll with point guard Jrue Holiday (the 1) and Cousins (the 5)...Davis, who can roam the baseline — perhaps even working off a back screen — as an outlet for a jumper or a dunk.

...their favorite spots on the floor fit together like a puzzle...two favorite Gentry sets — Horns [see video link in article], where the 4 and the 5 set up on both sides of the free throw line, the elbow cyclone [see video link in article], and the full arsenal of drags [see video link in article].

 

[Sarni]

To let that sink a little bit more, how terrible this deal is, we got a pick that will be in the same exact range as the pick Sacramento just got, and a player who is comfortably as good at his position as Hield is at his and is actually a year younger too with more NBA experience, for Mason Plumlee. We got the same or better return for Mason Plumlee that they got for DeMarcus Cousins. Imagine.

 

[craigehlo]

I wonder if this deal goes down at all if Rudy Gay doesn't get injured? He was rumored to go to OKC and they likely would have included their 1st round pick. They may have been more patient.

 

[Blazers Roy]

lolololol
Divac and Vivek need to get blood tested asap, even a 12 yr old could do a better job.

 

[jlprk]

I posted this 3 days ago. Damon Stoudamire said that a small market must take risks in trades, and Portland doesn't take risks. First, his words, then, my translation of those words.

"There are more attractive places," Stoudamire said. "When you look at Portland. I spent a lot of time in Memphis as a player and a coach. I look at those two places, they have to utilize the trade better than anybody. I said something the other day, with that trade has to be a risk. The biggest robbery of a trade that nobody ever says is when I was at Memphis as a coach we traded Quentin Richardson for Zach Randolph. Why? Because nobody wanted him. You take that chance. Zach had a year left on that deal, and you take that chance."

Reworded: Small markets like Memphis and Portland must be tricky to survive. The conservative Oregonian destroyed nonconformist black players for years, forcing Zach out. The Memphis media greeted Zach with open arms. So Memphis has had a top team for years and Portland hasn't. Ever since the 25 Points replaced Whitsitt, the Blazers have avoided risk.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/da...dont-love-portland.309327/page-2#post-4090369

 

[jlprk]

Whitsitt used to take risks. Since then, the Oregonian has had Paul Allen living in terror, like a locomotive glued to its tracks.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Funniest thing: in all of the comments i see online i noticed that all of the people who are mad are actually fans of other teams which were not involved, wondering why their GM didn't rob the Kings.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Funniest thing: in all of the comments i see online i noticed that all of the people who are mad are actually fans of other teams which were not involved, wondering why their GM didn't rob the Kings.

As are several in here. All I know is that the Pelicans just got infinitely more interesting, and will definitely be my secondary follow for the remainder of this season.

 

[Blazinaway]

could be some interesting pieces available before the deadline. if Sac waives evans he goes to Cavs

 

[Sinobas]

I wounder if Cousins is the kind of guy that is going to bolt to a "winner" It'll be interesting to see how he works with Anthony Davis in NO