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I think people confuse someone being a headcase with being a criminal. Just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean they're going to break the law. I find that jump to be completely ridiculous.
 
blue9 said:
To everyone who said we'd have to trade CJ to get DMC: :smiley-beljise_har:
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We got DMC? Awesome!

More seriously, yeah, the package they got bit, but it's actually not a package Portland could have matched. Which is a little pathetic. Portland didn't have sufficient expiring contracts or a cheap young player that Sacramento loved (unless they loved Vonleh, which they probably didn't but with the Kings you never know). Portland probably would have had to deal McCollum to get Cousins (though, more likely, they were among the teams that weren't getting their calls answered or weren't even bidding).
 
Minstrel said:
We got DMC? Awesome!

More seriously, yeah, the package they got bit, but it's actually not a package Portland could have matched. Which is a little pathetic. Portland didn't have sufficient expiring contracts or a cheap young player that Sacramento loved (unless they loved Vonleh, which they probably didn't but with the Kings you never know). Portland probably would have had to deal McCollum to get Cousins (though, more likely, they were among the teams that weren't getting their calls answered or weren't even bidding).
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My point being that traded stars don't fetch players of CJ's caliber.
 
blue9 said:
My point being that traded stars don't fetch players of CJ's caliber.
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I don't think one of the worst-run franchises in the league trading one of the riskiest stars in the league constitutes a good template. But, actually, I overall agree with you--not because traded stars aren't worth players of McCollum's caliber but because teams trading a star usually aren't actually looking for a replacement star of similar age/cost. They're looking to rebuild and want great young prospects and premium draft picks (and maybe salary relief).

The reason I keep saying that the only way Portland gets players like Butler or Cousins is to trade someone like Lillard or McCollum is because Portland doesn't have any of those things (unless they get super lucky in the coming lottery). They have no great prospects, their first-round picks aren't projected to be premium ones (again, barring great lottery luck) and they can't offer huge salary relief. Literally, their only high-level assets are Lillard and McCollum.

So, I've never felt your above sentiment is wrong (though maybe not for the reason you imply--that traded stars have too low trade value to get a McCollum), but Portland doesn't have the other assets a rebuilding team would want. It's Lillard, McCollum or nothing.
 
I mostly agree with that. Though I still hold out hope (though it's declining) that our pick ends up being Top 5, and that would make a package for Butler much more likely. Before trades started going down I was hopeful that we could drop to 3rd worst in the West, but now 5th worst looks like the best we could do...
 
Minstrel said:
We got DMC? Awesome!

More seriously, yeah, the package they got bit, but it's actually not a package Portland could have matched. Which is a little pathetic. Portland didn't have sufficient expiring contracts or a cheap young player that Sacramento loved (unless they loved Vonleh, which they probably didn't but with the Kings you never know). Portland probably would have had to deal McCollum to get Cousins (though, more likely, they were among the teams that weren't getting their calls answered or weren't even bidding).
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Not a team bidding would be my guess. Olshey might have inquired a while back, but I'm sure that ship sailed. SAC was probably very greedy on the market with Cousins, and then teams went and made alternative moves, and now that the Kings feel their hand is forced they end up taking what they think is the best offer they can get before the Pelicans decide to make an alternative deal for Buddy.

I'm sure the majority of teams have probably inquired about Boogies trade availability over the years. It would be interesting to find out what some of those offers over the past 5+ years have been.
 
If you guys honestly think this trade happened because the Kings owner has a boner for Buddy, you need a reality check. We've seen suggestions for a couple years now that Cousins trade value is remarkably low due to his chemistry killer issues. His value was so low the Kings were stuck with him knowing they were going to have to shell out $200mil plus for a guy that was going to continue to make that locker room a volatile hostile environment... This is not fake rumors about his issues.

I fully believe the Pelicans were also backed into a corner where they had to take the risk. I imagine keeping Anthony Davis happy by giving him some help was extremely important. Once Ibaka fell through they looked to Cousins, and the price was too low to not risk rolling the dice. I know everyone thinks this is a steal, but in reality it's like trading your pet Gecko for a rattlesnake without a cage.
 
I don't think a young roster is a good fit for Boogie. He needs to be surrounded by more established players. So I can see why the Lakers shied away. He is a big time talent but not actually someone you want your young players influenced by.
 
How about when the Wolves traded (Mbah A Moute and Alexey Shved expirings to the 76ers) Love to the Cavs for Anthony Bennett, Andrew Wiggins, and Thaddeus Young. That is the most comparable "blockbuster" in recent memory.

Cousins is a more dominant player than Love, and the Kings ended up getting significantly less for him.
 
To take on DMC without giving up Dame or CJ would leave no Money left for anything else for years to come. I think NO is looking to off salary, not add more max players. As much as it would have been nice, I dont think NO was in on this for this reason
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Interesting... I will have to take a closer look. I do know that DeMarcus is the one getting sued for it (but of course that could be partially because he has more money).
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you are right. ny nightclub
 
Mediocre Man said:
Several reasons.

1. Don't think he nor Sac wanted to re-sign this offseason.

2. Too much of a head case to win anything at this point.

3. Sac is not done dealing. Vlade trying to mimic Ainge plan in Boston
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But I think the real beef is that there were better deals to be had. So regardless of if he couldn't re-sign, you gotta get more value out of him. Also, the orginazation shot itself in the foot multiple times saying they were going to re-sign him and all that. But to have Drummond offered and not take at least that... it's a headscratcher.

Sac may not be done dealing - but what do they have to deal?
 
Sinobas said:
The salary cap was in effect during the Whitsett era (cap started in 1984). He build a championship quality team. The refs stole it really.

He was only a laughingstock after the Kemp and Jermaine O'Neal trades.
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Jailblazers = Whitsitt era
 
Strenuus said:
But I think the real beef is that there were better deals to be had. So regardless of if he couldn't re-sign, you gotta get more value out of him. Also, the orginazation shot itself in the foot multiple times saying they were going to re-sign him and all that. But to have Drummond offered and not take at least that... it's a headscratcher.

Sac may not be done dealing - but what do they have to deal?
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Kings took the best deal. Malcontent, cancer, immature. Talented as hell, but no one wanted him.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Kings took the best deal. Malcontent, cancer, immature. Talented as hell, but no one wanted him.
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I'm not disagreeing with you on who he is, more the organization than anything.

There were several teams in the running for at least a guy who had 1.5 years left. IMO, they could have waited.

But, this is sacremento. The only team who would turn down a deal for a center that is relatively close to Cousins. so if all is true, this was not the best deal - especially since the pick in '17 was not even unprotected.

If Neil had been in this same situation (Dame with 1.5 years left) and got a player back in a position we were already overstocked in, an expiring, and 2 picks that won't even be that great considering... it would be catastrophic to the organization.

Then again, at least we have CJ, whereas Sacramento literally has nothing else. But, if they take the pistons offer... they get something to work with it. That is why IMO they didn't take the best offer.
 
Strenuus said:
I'm not disagreeing with you on who he is, more the organization than anything.

There were several teams in the running for at least a guy who had 1.5 years left. IMO, they could have waited.

But, this is sacremento. The only team who would turn down a deal for a center that is relatively close to Cousins. so if all is true, this was not the best deal - especially since the pick in '17 was not even unprotected.

If Neil had been in this same situation (Dame with 1.5 years left) and got a player back in a position we were already overstocked in, an expiring, and 2 picks that won't even be that great considering... it would be catastrophic to the organization.

Then again, at least we have CJ, whereas Sacramento literally has nothing else. But, if they take the pistons offer... they get something to work with it. That is why IMO they didn't take the best offer.
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They have Rudy Gay. Are you kidding???? ;)
 
if sacramento never traded demarcus, we wouldn't be able to see nurkic-cousins duel this season. but now that they've traded him to the pelicans, we get to watch them duel 2 time this season. i can't wait for the first duel on march 14th.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think people confuse someone being a headcase with being a criminal. Just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean they're going to break the law. I find that jump to be completely ridiculous.
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it's frickin' tongue in cheek.....my fault, I posted that headcase Cousins in New Orleans (city of a lot of crime) would become the next jailblazers and it WAS MEANT TO BE RIDICULOUS....!!!! I can't believe people want to dissect posts like that....Boogie made his own bad boy image...it's his brand
 
Grant Napear has a radio show from 3-7 and tonight he's going to have Vlade Divac on at 3:30. It's not often that I'm this intrigued by a trade that has nothing to do with the Blazers, I definitely want to give it a listen and hear what the GM has to say about the move.

Should be playing at this link starting at 3 pm.

http://player.radio.com/listen/station/sports-1140-khtk
 
Cousins is a great player on a bad franchise.
Sac got many offers for him and said 'no' too many times and eventually they traded him out of panic instead of doing the right decision at the right time.

All this talk about Cousins being a loser\scrub\headcase\criminal who couldn't draw more interest is absurd.
 
Blazers Roy said:
who couldn't draw more interest
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See what he was traded for and get back to me.....he didn't get enough interest....Lakers wouldn't trade a player for him the Kings wanted....melo didn't want to go to Sac....Every journalist in the sport has written about the cancer that comes with Cousins....it's not a stretch to say he comes with some risk and baggage...personally, I'd have loved to trade for him in Portland...why? He loves Lillard and Lillard would keep him in line.
 
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