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Extremely triggered Kings fan "I'm a season ticket holder and I'm pissed, we've had Jimmer Fredette, Nick Suckass, and now Buddy Hield?!?"
 
Amidst all this frenzy I do not envy Buddy Hield. He could quietly develop into a decent player at New Orleans but now he will forever be the player Kings traded Cousins for, with unrealistic expectations and Kings fans' hate. This move will probably hurt his career too.
 
Minstrel said:
Are you saying there's no such thing as objectively better deals and, by extension, objectively better players? I mean, I'm kind of sympathetic to the high bar to clear for something to be "objectively" better (some would argue there's never such a thing as "objectively" better), but I think a deal for, say, Karl-Anthony Towns would be pretty conclusively better than what they got, in the aim of building a stronger basketball team, even if they "liked" what they got more. I'm not saying they had that offer available (obviously, they didn't), but I think they could easily have turned down a deal that would have made their team better than the deal they took.

To make this simpler: I have no faith in their evaluation skills, so what they "like" carries little weight with me. That's what I'm saying.
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I understand that you are overexagerating to make a point but there is a huge difference between the offers SAC did and would have got and Kat. If (and I not saying that is a given) that the only other offer that SAC gave thought to was a Drummond and pick then I can actually see why they would pass on that. Andre doesn't make them a contender and if they don't win (which they won't) then he would just leave in due time. So unless you are taking him on to trade him then he gets you no closer then Cousins. The only thing SAC can pray to do is pick well (they will need to get rid of Vivek in that case) and get lucky that Buddy blows up. Calculated risk.

But I not going to disagree that SAC does things differently (and wrong imo) compared to other teams.
 
I hate Philly, Boston, and Golden State, all for different reasons.
 
Sarni said:
Amidst all this frenzy I do not envy Buddy Hield. He could quietly develop into a decent player at New Orleans but now he will forever be the player Kings traded Cousins for, with unrealistic expectations and Kings fans' hate. This move will probably hurt his career too.
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Agreed. Stigma will last for a while. Eventually, though, it'll go away like it did for Turner.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Andre doesn't make them a contender and if they don't win (which they won't) then he would just leave in due time. So unless you are taking him on to trade him then he gets you no closer then Cousins. The only thing SAC can pray to do is pick well (they will need to get rid of Vivek in that case) and get lucky that Buddy blows up. Calculated risk.
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And if Hield does blow up, he leaves, like Drummond. If you're banking on being a terrible franchise, there's no point to acquiring anyone, I guess. But it's a good thing for them to bank on, as they've made multiple terrible decisions to reach this point. It seems unlikely that that will change going forward.
 
B-Roy said:
Grant sounds like a disgusting corporate yes-man. If I was a Kings fan I would hate this guy.
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The Kings fans on that forum that Strenuus linked do seem to hate him, in general. They also said that he changed his tune on Cousins earlier and now that he's being traded, he's killing Cousins.
 
Minstrel said:
That surely wasn't a factor. Thanks to a previous horrific deal, the 76ers have the right to swap picks with the Kings, so if the Kings successfully tank, the '6ers reap the benefit.
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And the pick is unprotected? Wow
 
Minstrel said:
And if Hield does blow up, he leaves, like Drummond. If you're banking on being a terrible franchise, there's no point to acquiring anyone, I guess. But it's a good thing for them to bank on, as they've made multiple terrible decisions to reach this point. It seems unlikely that that will change going forward.
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A player doesn't leave when offered a max offer after their rookie deal. I think there has been exactly 1 example where a guy did in the history of the NBA. Don't put it past a terrible franchise like SAC offering that if he shows even just a little growth to average starter.

I not saying this is direction I would go. They suck. But I can see their point (at least a little). Unless they fold up shop this is really the only chance they have even if it is like a 1% chance.
 
The report I saw last night said they weren't returning calls either once they got the two offers they picked from NO (and someone else).
 
B-Roy said:
Grant sounds like a disgusting corporate yes-man. If I was a Kings fan I would hate this guy.
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I think he has a different opinion than the majority and that opinion has to fall in line with that narrative. I don't think he is actually a corporate yes man, I think he spent years watching Cousins on and off the court and genuinely feels like the Kings are better going forward without his personality.
 
Look at what Isaiah Thomas is doing in Boston right now, and then ask yourself why Thomas and Cousins had records of 22-44(lockout) 28-44, and again 28-44 in their 3 years as team mates.
 
Minstrel said:
No protections on the swap, yes. And, due to the same deal, the 76ers own the Kings' 2019 first-rounder--also unprotected.
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OMG somehow even the Nets must be laughing at them. OK so they need draft picks other than their own. They needed multiple picks this year. Who could have offered that? :beatinto:
 
Grant basically calling Cousins the NBA Donald Trump saying that he "Bullied the media in his 7 seasons in Sacramento".
 
Its nice to have Doug Christie in booth for his perspective on this as well.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Look at what Isaiah Thomas is doing in Boston right now, and then ask yourself why Thomas and Cousins had records of 22-44(lockout) 28-44, and again 28-44 in their 3 years as team mates.
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Thomas got better as a player in those 3 years?
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
I think he has a different opinion than the majority and that opinion has to fall in line with that narrative. I don't think he is actually a corporate yes man, I think he spent years watching Cousins on and off the court and genuinely feels like the Kings are better going forward without his personality.
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Did you listen to him? He sounds like a complete shill and his logic makes no sense. The moment someone mentions something that goes against the Kings agenda he becomes super defensive and basically dismisses all the claims. Also asked a pissed off Kings fan to renue his season tickets to continue to "support the culture" of the team.
 
Cousins does not know this but NO food will make him a full participant in the restroom stall. Mighty Rad Gumbo is like volcanos in your colon. Sewing Projects.jpg
 
B-Roy said:
Did you listen to him? He sounds like a complete shill and his logic makes no sense. The moment someone mentions something that goes against the Kings agenda he becomes super defensive and basically dismisses all the claims. Also asked a pissed off Kings fan to renue his season tickets to continue to "support the culture" of the team.
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I am still listening to him, waiting for Vlade. His logic makes perfect sense. The Kings blew up everything for Cousins. They fired and hired 10,000 different coaches, talented players (Thomas, Evans, Rondo, Gay...) were put around him and his team never finished better than 38-44.

You gotta realize he's been hearing the same shit for the past 24 hours so he's probably a bit tired of it. Again he defends his point which happens to fall in line with the narrative of him being a corporate yes man for the Kings, that does not mean he actually is one.
 
Sarni said:
Thomas got better as a player in those 3 years?
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Yes he improved each year.
In his first two seasons he averaged 11/4 followed by 14/4

He was averaging 20.3/6.3 the year he was traded to Boston.
 
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