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Fonzthecpt1 said:
I am still listening to him, waiting for Vlade. His logic makes perfect sense. The Kings blew up everything for Cousins. They fired and hired 10,000 different coaches, talented players (Thomas, Evans, Rondo, Gay...) were put around him and his team never finished better than 38-44.

You gotta realize he's been hearing the same shit for the past 24 hours so he's probably a bit tired of it. Again he defends his point which happens to fall in line with the narrative of him being a corporate yes man for the Kings, that does not mean he actually is one.
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According to Kings fan he is one, and has a track record of going back on what he has said before.
 
B-Roy said:
According to Kings fan he is one, and has a track record of going back on what he has said before.
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Grant has been with the Kings since '88 so of course he is loyal to his employer. But he's not going to lie about his opinion to push the Kings agenda. I honestly think this is what he truly believes.
 
The kings fans calling into this show are either livid, and yelling at Grant about how stupid the FO is. Or they are glad that Cousins is gone, and feel like they finally got their team back.
 
Vlade said he had a better offer, but the other team felt a lot of pressure and pulled out.

Doug Christie clarifies the difference between a deal, and an offer. Deal something that is actually on your table to sign, offer something that is just spoken word.

Vlade confirms the other situation was just an offer, it never got as far as printing up papers to sign.
 
Vlade says that Bogdan Bogdonovic will join the Kings next season.
 
Doug Christie just asked Vlade how he would feel about signing certain players in the draft. Names a PG and a SG in the first and second. Vlade says "where do I sign".

All of this coming after Vlade was asked about the fans concern that he has too many back court players on the roster.
 
Vlade said there was not much interest for Cousins around the league, and that many teams were scared to take the gamble. Said for the past 2 years they have been evaluating offers for Cousins.

Sounds like the Kings have been seeing teams get cold feet for so long that they finally decided this could be their best chance to move him before they end up losing him the LaMarcus way.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Sounds like the Kings have been seeing teams get cold feet for so long that they finally decided this could be their best chance to move him before they end up losing him the LaMarcus way.
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Losing him "the LaMarcus way" wouldn't have been too costly if this is all they were able to get. It's worth losing out on Hield and an okay first-round pick in order to get an extra year of looking for a better deal. Just because teams were supposedly getting cold feet this week doesn't mean that would be true for another year--circumstances change quickly.

And they could have done the more obvious thing and re-signed a guy who pretty obviously wanted to re-sign. A team like the Kings isn't likely to find a better player than Cousins for years (if ever, honestly). And all of this "You'll never win anything with Cousins" talk reminds me of what the media and some fans around the Trail Blazers said about Rasheed Wallace--until he promptly won a title soon after being traded. And Cousins is even better than Wallace.
 
Minstrel said:
Losing him "the LaMarcus way" wouldn't have been too costly if this is all they were able to get. It's worth losing out on Hield and an okay first-round pick in order to get an extra year of looking for a better deal. Just because teams were supposedly getting cold feet this week doesn't mean that would be true for another year--circumstances change quickly.

And they could have done the more obvious thing and re-signed a guy who pretty obviously wanted to re-sign. A team like the Kings isn't likely to find a better player than Cousins for years (if ever, honestly). And all of this "You'll never win anything with Cousins" talk reminds me of what the media and some fans around the Trail Blazers said about Rasheed Wallace--until he promptly won a title soon after being traded. And Cousins is even better than Wallace.
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By the time the next season comes around teams know he's a UFA at the end of the season and would rather take their chances with him in FA than give up any of their assets in a trade.

If teams have had cold feet on Boogie for the past 2 years (when he had 4 yrs on contract) then there is not a chance in hell they would want to gamble on his expiring contract.
 
Minstrel said:
Losing him "the LaMarcus way" wouldn't have been too costly if this is all they were able to get. It's worth losing out on Hield and an okay first-round pick in order to get an extra year of looking for a better deal. Just because teams were supposedly getting cold feet this week doesn't mean that would be true for another year--circumstances change quickly.

And they could have done the more obvious thing and re-signed a guy who pretty obviously wanted to re-sign. A team like the Kings isn't likely to find a better player than Cousins for years (if ever, honestly). And all of this "You'll never win anything with Cousins" talk reminds me of what the media and some fans around the Trail Blazers said about Rasheed Wallace--until he promptly won a title soon after being traded. And Cousins is even better than Wallace.
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Hmm speaking of LMA.......What they say a year and a half before often changes.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
If teams have had cold feet on Boogie for the past 2 years (when he had 4 yrs on contract) then there is not a chance in hell they would want to gamble on his expiring contract.
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Teams haven't had cold feet for "the past two years." Supposedly, the Kings turned down far better offers for the past two years. This isn't a front office with any kind of vision or plan--they basically refused to make any decision on Cousins over the past two years (while making other awful decisions) and then suddenly and randomly panicked and traded him for pennies on the dollar.
 
Minstrel said:
Teams haven't had cold feet for "the past two years." All sorts of reports say that the Kings turned down far better offers for the past two years. This isn't a front office with any kind of vision or plan--they basically refused to make any decision on Cousins over the past two years (while making other awful decisions) and then suddenly and randomly panicked and traded him for pennies on the dollar.
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Do you have a link that says there were actually better deals on the table for the Kings over the years and not just "what about _____ for Cousins" offers to gauge the Kings' interest in moving Cousins.

I remember you'd hear about him in trade rumors almost every year, but at the same time we heard about Kevin Love for Melo, and I'm pretty sure that was legit fake news.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Do you have a link that says there were actually better deals on the table for the Kings over the years and not just "what about _____ for Cousins" offers to gauge the Kings' interest in moving Cousins.
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No, it's just columnists and reporters expressing incredulity over this because they say the Kings have been turning down better deals for the past couple of years. I'm not sure why you're so certain that the Kings played this perfectly when we already know they've made horrendous decisions (like the 76ers deal, firing Mike Malone when he clicked with Cousins and had the team performing well, etc). As far as I'm concerned, the proven stupidity of the Kings' front office lends credence to the claims that they've been turning down superior offers all this time (including the Drummond offer earlier this season) only to panic-trade him this week.

We can toss in the fact that Divac has been promising Cousins that they wouldn't be trading him this year, the fact that other NBA executives are expressing bafflement over the Kings--it doesn't paint a picture of a team that calmly made a rational decision.
 
riverman said:
See what he was traded for and get back to me.....he didn't get enough interest....Lakers wouldn't trade a player for him the Kings wanted....melo didn't want to go to Sac....Every journalist in the sport has written about the cancer that comes with Cousins....it's not a stretch to say he comes with some risk and baggage...personally, I'd have loved to trade for him in Portland...why? He loves Lillard and Lillard would keep him in line.
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You should have followed more news then.
Lakers offered D’Angelo Russell + assets (picks?) after their mess last year, Detroit put Drummond on the table but the Kings said no and it's easy to guess teams like Boston and Washington must've given their fair proposals as well.

It was known around the league that Vlade is fucking around too much and that the whole decision making process in the team is a mess (including some mysterious lawyer woman who apparently have a big say in anything). Many GMs just grew tired of dealing with this mess.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Kings making their vets available:
I'd do Biebs for Koufas (age 27) today. Would Save us about $2 mil next year.

Knowing the Kings, we could probably get a 2nd rounder, too!
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Great idea, Kosta actually looked like a solid center in Memphis and i think he was a teammate of CJ in the past.
 
Minstrel said:
No, it's just columnists and reporters expressing incredulity over this because they say the Kings have been turning down better deals for the past couple of years. I'm not sure why you're so certain that the Kings played this perfectly when we already know they've made horrendous decisions (like the 76ers deal, firing Mike Malone when he clicked with Cousins and had the team performing well, etc). As far as I'm concerned, the proven stupidity of the Kings' front office lends credence to the claims that they've been turning down superior offers all this time (including the Drummond offer earlier this season) only to panic-trade him this week.

We can toss in the fact that Divac has been promising Cousins that they wouldn't be trading him this year, the fact that other NBA executives are expressing bafflement over the Kings--it doesn't paint a picture of a team that calmly made a rational decision.
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I'm not saying they played it perfectly, and you are right they have definitely made a lot of really bad business decisions for one reason or another (seems like a lot of these decisions were based around Cousins as their POTF). However if they turned down better deals for 2 years only to end up at Buddy Hield, shouldn't the logic be "where am I going to end up if I turn down Buddy?".

I think its possible that the Kings FO could both be completely incompetent, and at the same time right in the way they handled this Cousins situation.

For what its worth I could absolutely see that Drummond rumor being one of the offers that was backed out of by the offering party. If Cousins doesn't re-sign and the Pistons give away Drummond then the egg is on their face.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
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Fonzthecpt1 said:
I'm not saying they played it perfectly, and you are right they have definitely made a lot of really bad business decisions for one reason or another (seems like a lot of these decisions were based around Cousins as their POTF). However if they turned down better deals for 2 years only to end up at Buddy Hield, shouldn't the logic be "where am I going to end up if I turn down Buddy?".

I think its possible that the Kings FO could both be completely incompetent, and at the same time right in the way they handled this Cousins situation.

For what its worth I could absolutely see that Drummond rumor being one of the offers that was backed out of by the offering party. If Cousins doesn't re-sign and the Pistons give away Drummond then the egg is on their face.
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A good organization doesn't let the Pistons have a 2nd thought. You say yes, take the goods, and then walk out of that store.

You don't try to use logic with Sacremento's front office. It doesn't apply.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
However if they turned down better deals for 2 years only to end up at Buddy Hield, shouldn't the logic be "where am I going to end up if I turn down Buddy?".
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I'd agree with that if Buddy Hield were a valuable prospect. While I agree with those who say it's way too early to call him a bust, he's not performing well as a rookie despite being "overaged" as a rookie. I think if what you're risking by holding onto Cousins is Hield, that's not much of a risk. And it only takes one team to decide to pull the trigger to get a nice return. Even if you don't want to hold him til the next trade deadline, the draft is another good trade market and the entire off-season offers possibilities, especially for teams who don't pull in a premium free agent.

And I still think that the Kings had a good chance to simply re-sign Cousins, especially considering the new CBA strongly incentivizes players to sign maxes with the team that drafted them, moreso than before. It seems like the Kings were the ones who decided to break the relationship--which is fine if you can find a great return, but otherwise I don't think you have much choice but to stick with someone as talented as Cousins is and try to find the right fit around him (and maybe don't fire a coach who actually gets through to him).

I read a stat today that Cousins' averages of 27.8 PPG/10.7 RPG/4.9 APG/1.4 BPG/1.3 SPG have only been pulled off by three players in NBA history: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, David Robinson and Larry Bird. Unless he's basically refusing to play or is constantly running afoul of the law, you have to find a way to make it work with a player like that, even if it takes years. It is entirely possible that the Kings never again have a player as good as Cousins.
 
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