Merged: CP3 on his way to Portland!

[Minstrel]

Re: CP3 on his way to Portland!

I have a fair CP3 trade I'm cooking up that I will post later. Stupid ESPN trade machine isn't working at my work :/

The guts of the trade is LMA + Bayless to New Jersey for Harris.

New Jersey has a sick front court in LMA and Lopez plus Bayless to pair with LeBron and another max salary player when they move to Brooklyn.

Devin Harris + Rudy + Outlaw + Blake + Przybilla to NOH

New Orleans sheds CP3 and Chandler so they can sell the team and they still have the core of

Harris/Blake
Rudy
Outlaw
D. West
Przybilla

That's an exciting team actually.

Chandler + CP3 + Filler to Portland (Yi and a SG off of NO)

Portland ends with.

PG Paul
SG Roy
SF Batum
PF Yi/Cunningham (LOL I know but come on look at the back court!)
C Oden/Pendergraph.

I think that team makes real noise once we sign some MLE vet role players.

Pretty interesting deals. I think New Orleans would rather dump Stojakovic than Chandler, though. Of the two, Chandler is probably easier for them to dump later. They'd probably want to get rid of the otherwise-untradeable Stojakovic contract in a Paul deal.

 

[Boise Blazer]

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I wish I could be more excited about this but I know better than to do that to myself.

Its kinda like when you buy a lottery ticket for the huge jackpot and you KNOW you aren't going to win but its still fun dream about what you would buy.

 

[Wheels]

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I'd part with Aldridge, first, too. The problem is, the only motivation for the Hornets to move Paul is that they receive big salary savings (in addition to major talent). Aldridge is about to become very pricey. As is Roy. Oden is the only huge talent that Portland has that is due to be inexpensive for a few more years. So, I assume Oden would have to be a part of any Paul deal.

Exactly my thoughts. Good call on the Peja comment too, I didnt think of that. I guess we could take him and hope we can get abackup C to spell Joel.

 

[Masbee]

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Rookies N.O. might get excited about: Griffin, Curry, ??

Sophs N.O. might get excited about: Rose, Mayo, ??

Third year guys: Oden, Durant, ??

Large, Bad Contracts on New Orleans:

Peja: 2 years, $27 million (ouch baby, ouch!)
Tyson: 2 years, $24.6 million
Mo Pete: 2 years, $12 million

 

[Idog1976]

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Pretty interesting deals. I think New Orleans would rather dump Stojakovic than Chandler, though. Of the two, Chandler is probably easier for them to dump later. They'd probably want to get rid of the otherwise-untradeable Stojakovic contract in a Paul deal.

Getting Peja back would be even better for Portland as he would replace Rudy as a back up SG giving Roy minutes to play at the 3.

I think the deal could work especially if we also took back Najera and some bad contracts but useful pieces from NOH and NJ.

I will post one complete with ESPN trade machine when I get home.

I seriously think that deal I outline is as plausible as I have seen regarding CP3.

Forgot to say: I would argue that NOH is actually a bit more balanced and competitive with that roster. CP3 is amazing but it's not THAT big of a step down to Harris.

 

[Natebishop3]

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Are these sources even credible? Not to be the skeptic..... but I've never even heard of those people.

 

[SteelBlaze1]

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I wish I could be more excited about this but I know better than to do that to myself.

Its kinda like when you buy a lottery ticket for the huge jackpot and you KNOW you aren't going to win but its still fun dream about what you would buy.

That's my thoughts...this is a pipe dream of epic proportions...there is NO WAY Paul is coming to Portland, I don't care who you trade. He is the best PG in the league and they don't grow on trees.

 

[Masbee]

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It is hard to match salaries direct with New Orleans. We don't have any big contracts right now.

If it was:Joel & Blake & Outlaw & Bayless & Rudy & all our cap space (for max instant relief),

we could take back Paul and Chandler, but it wouldn't be enough for Paul and Peja.

Substituting Oden for Joel means that we can't even match up for a Paul and Chandler swap.

And realize, that is 5 rotation players for 1 (+ 1 that is a maybe with his bum foot).

 

[crowTrobot]

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That's my thoughts...this is a pipe dream of epic proportions...there is NO WAY Paul is coming to Portland,

it's improbable, but not at all what you would call a "pipe dream of epic proportions" given the hornet's economic situation.

I don't care who you trade

if you offered them something like oden, rudy, batum, bayless + picks and took chandler they would be dumb not to seriously consider it.

 

[Idog1976]

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Now I don't have a link for this so it isn't news its a RUMOR. However, that said supposedly the owner of the Hornets is deeply in the red and wants to sell and move the team. In order to do that though he would have to shed salary and also dump Paul. This is because it would be nigh impossible to move the team if they had such an uber superstar like Paul. They would be better off with a pool of young talent and cheap contracts that would be attractive enough that someone would want to buy the team but not anchored by CP3 which would make a deal virtually impossible.

This to me is the ONLY scenario in which NOH trades Paul. If the above rumor is true then the CP3 being possibly traded rumor (originating with CP3 himself) is a real possibility.

 

[BrianFromWA]

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espn's trade machine is jacked up. It has West with a 1yr/2M contract and nothing for Julian Wright.

I'm telling 'ya. Travis to MEM for a future first. Bring our cap room up to 11.313M.

Then, voila!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nptzhp

POR Out: LMA, Przy, Rudy, Blake, Outlaw
POR In: CP3, Love, Chandler

MEM Out: Future 1st to NOH
MEM in: Outlaw

NOH Out: Paul, Chandler
NOH In: Rubio, Rudy, Blake, Cardinal, MEM 1st, POR 1st, Cash, saves 12M in salary (once they sign Rubio)

MIN Out: Love, Rubio, Cardinal
MIN In: LMA, Przy

Big man rotation of Love, Chandler, Oden scares me a teeny bit, but CP3/Roy more than makes up for it.

 

[Idog1976]

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espn's trade machine is jacked up. It has West with a 1yr/2M contract and nothing for Julian Wright.

I'm telling 'ya. Travis to MEM for a future first. Bring our cap room up to 11.313M.

Then, voila!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nptzhp

POR Out: LMA, Przy, Rudy, Blake, Outlaw
POR In: CP3, Love, Chandler

MEM Out: Future 1st to NOH
MEM in: Outlaw

NOH Out: Paul, Chandler
NOH In: Rubio, Rudy, Blake, Cardinal, MEM 1st, POR 1st, Cash, saves 12M in salary (once they sign Rubio)

MIN Out: Love, Rubio, Cardinal
MIN In: LMA, Przy

Big man rotation of Love, Chandler, Oden scares me a teeny bit, but CP3/Roy more than makes up for it.

Heartbeat and it's signed...SIGNED I SAID! MAKE IT SO NUMBER 1!

Please god? Are you there god it's me Margaret...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

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I'd just go with this

All 4 of last year's rookies for Paul and Butler

Lineup:
Paul/Blake
Roy/Butler
Outlaw/Webster
Aldridge/Cunningham
Przybilla/Pendergraph

Also--I notice the comments about how Paul's work with Chandler suggests that he'd do amazing things for Oden. I wonder though, how much better would Joel be with Paul at the point? Wouldn't he be capable of doing everything that Chandler does?

 

[Idog1976]

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I'd just go with this

All 4 of last year's rookies for Paul and Butler

Lineup:
Paul/Blake
Roy/Butler
Outlaw/Webster
Aldridge/Cunningham
Przybilla/Pendergraph

Also--I notice the comments about how Paul's work with Chandler suggests that he'd do amazing things for Oden. I wonder though, how much better would Joel be with Paul at the point? Wouldn't he be capable of doing everything that Chandler does?

Gotta keep Oden. LMA is the tradable one and has a MUCH higher value then Oden right now. I still say some kind of three team deal that puts LMA on a third team that gives up major talent that along with our non-Oden rookies puts enough talent and salary cap relief on the table to tempt NOH.

 

[crowTrobot]

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espn's trade machine is jacked up. It has West with a 1yr/2M contract and nothing for Julian Wright.

I'm telling 'ya. Travis to MEM for a future first. Bring our cap room up to 11.313M.

Then, voila!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nptzhp

POR Out: LMA, Przy, Rudy, Blake, Outlaw
POR In: CP3, Love, Chandler

MEM Out: Future 1st to NOH
MEM in: Outlaw

NOH Out: Paul, Chandler
NOH In: Rubio, Rudy, Blake, Cardinal, MEM 1st, POR 1st, Cash, saves 12M in salary (once they sign Rubio)

MIN Out: Love, Rubio, Cardinal
MIN In: LMA, Przy

Big man rotation of Love, Chandler, Oden scares me a teeny bit, but CP3/Roy more than makes up for it.

undervalues LMA or overvalues rubio, or both.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

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Gotta keep Oden. LMA is the tradable one and has a MUCH higher value then Oden right now. I still say some kind of three team deal that puts LMA on a third team that gives up major talent that along with our non-Oden rookies puts enough talent and salary cap relief on the table to tempt NOH.

If I'm NOH, and my front-line consists of West/Chandler, then I'm much more interested in Oden than Aldridge. That said, I'm sure they'd rather get Harris than either, so you're probably right in saying that a 3-team deal would be more likely.

 

[Masbee]

Re: CP3 on his way to Portland!

espn's trade machine is jacked up. It has West with a 1yr/2M contract and nothing for Julian Wright.

I'm telling 'ya. Travis to MEM for a future first. Bring our cap room up to 11.313M.

Then, voila!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nptzhp

POR Out: LMA, Przy, Rudy, Blake, Outlaw
POR In: CP3, Love, Chandler

MEM Out: Future 1st to NOH
MEM in: Outlaw

NOH Out: Paul, Chandler
NOH In: Rubio, Rudy, Blake, Cardinal, MEM 1st, POR 1st, Cash, saves 12M in salary (once they sign Rubio)

MIN Out: Love, Rubio, Cardinal
MIN In: LMA, Przy

Big man rotation of Love, Chandler, Oden scares me a teeny bit, but CP3/Roy more than makes up for it.

I was actually thinking about Rubio as a PG replacement for NO. Don't think he would want to go to such a small market, but maaaaaaybe if he and Rudy decided they together as starters would be the best thing for their careers would want that opportunity.

You got some creative dealmaking there, but you are leaving NO with too few bigs. They need a center after shipping out Chandler. Pryz maybe?

 

[crowTrobot]

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Gotta keep Oden. LMA is the tradable one

no way. the things paul can do that would make oden an effective center would make LMA an allstar.

 

[Draco]

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Obviously you have to look at any option if CP3 is available. I don't think we could work out a deal for Oden or LaMarcus as New Orleans would want more in return. At a point you can't gut your team AND trade away a talent like Oden (or LaMarcus) even for a top player like Paul. We'd become a worse version of the Hornets.

I wish this would work; also give NOH the Memphis draft pick and give them our first rounder for 2010 and 2012. Posey and Mo Pete are salary dump, if NOH would rather give us Chandler or Peja it would be their choice.

Por: Paul, Posey, Peterson
NOH: Batum, Bayless, Blake, Rudy, Pryz, 3 first rounders
MEM: Outlaw

we'd have:

Paul
Roy
???? (Posey, Peterson, Martell)
LMA
Oden

That would be it! No depth, we'd have to add a bunch of NBADL and old veterans like the Celtics did to win their title. But we can fill out the bench in future offseasons.

 

[Wheels]

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Obviously you have to look at any option if CP3 is available. I don't think we could work out a deal for Oden or LaMarcus as New Orleans would want more in return. At a point you can't gut your team AND trade away a talent like Oden (or LaMarcus) even for a top player like Paul. We'd become a worse version of the Hornets.

I wish this would work; also give NOH the Memphis draft pick and give them our first rounder for 2010 and 2012. Posey and Mo Pete are salary dump, if NOH would rather give us Chandler or Peja it would be their choice.

Por: Paul, Posey, Peterson
NOH: Batum, Bayless, Blake, Rudy, Pryz, 3 first rounders
MEM: Outlaw

we'd have:

Paul
Roy
???? (Posey, Peterson, Martell)
LMA
Oden

That would be it! No depth, we'd have to add a bunch of NBADL and old veterans like the Celtics did to win their title. But we can fill out the bench in future offseasons.

That would be the most epic starting 5 I could ever imagine lol

 

[Wheels]

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no way. the things paul can do that would make oden an effective center would make LMA an allstar.

Paul would keep Oden out of foul trouble? Oden is already effective, when he is on the floor.

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

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I can't read threads like these. Only in dreams...

 

[Natebishop3]

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espn's trade machine is jacked up. It has West with a 1yr/2M contract and nothing for Julian Wright.

I'm telling 'ya. Travis to MEM for a future first. Bring our cap room up to 11.313M.

Then, voila!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nptzhp

POR Out: LMA, Przy, Rudy, Blake, Outlaw
POR In: CP3, Love, Chandler

MEM Out: Future 1st to NOH
MEM in: Outlaw

NOH Out: Paul, Chandler
NOH In: Rubio, Rudy, Blake, Cardinal, MEM 1st, POR 1st, Cash, saves 12M in salary (once they sign Rubio)

MIN Out: Love, Rubio, Cardinal
MIN In: LMA, Przy

Big man rotation of Love, Chandler, Oden scares me a teeny bit, but CP3/Roy more than makes up for it.

Why does Minny trade for a power forward? They have Al Jeff. It's still the same problem they have with Love. Two good players at the same position.

 

[Idog1976]

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If I'm NOH, and my front-line consists of West/Chandler, then I'm much more interested in Oden than Aldridge. That said, I'm sure they'd rather get Harris than either, so you're probably right in saying that a 3-team deal would be more likely.

The thing is if they want to shed Salary they will want Joel over LMA. And like I say Oden shouldn't be traded. Remember we all think he will be great but NOH would have a hard time explaining the trade to their fans. LMA traded for someone like Harris to be shipped to NOH would definitely lessen the sting.

 

[RR7]

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Wow. We're really on page 4 of thinking of ways to get Paul here?

 

[Ed O]

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Wow. We're really on page 4 of thinking of ways to get Paul here?

If we get to page 10 the Hornets have to trade him to us.

It's in the Constitution and the CBA.

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

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If we get to page 10 the Hornets have to trade him to us.

It's in the Constitution and the CBA.

Snideness isn't helping us get Chris Paul. Please focus your energies on fantasy trade proposals, thanks.

 

[RR7]

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Oh, shit. Sorry, I hadn't read either recently. Didn't know.

Ok, so what if Paul Allen loans me 1 billion dollars. I offer Shinn 750 million dollars for the Hornets. I trade Chris Paul, along with my first round pick in 2010, 2012, and 2014, for Outlaw and Blake(works in trade checker). I then sell the team for whatever I can get for it. First, I move it to Bismarck SD. Then I sell it. Maybe for 50 dollars. Who cares.

Sounds good?

 

[Wheels]

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If we get to page 10 the Hornets have to trade him to us.

It's in the Constitution and the CBA.

Ed O.

lol nice

 

[Ed O]

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Snideness isn't helping us get Chris Paul. Please focus your energies on fantasy trade proposals, thanks.

I'm focusing all my energies on getting Roy and LA extended, and I find it ludicrous that you would ask me to split my energies when my energies can be used to get Roy and LA extended.

Ed O.