Merged: Crabbe Traded to Brk

[Natebishop3]

Your posts are idiotic, unintellegent, and have no substance.

The mods are out of control! Time to leave for a new forum!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Im willing to bet $50 AC will never average more than 15ppg in his career.

I'd take that bet if he hadn't just been traded to one of the worst teams in the league just hours ago....

 

[BonesJones]

Comparing Gordon's percentages to Crabbe's isn't at all apples to apples. Crabbe virtually only shoots when left wide open. Gordon shot his 37% from three while being willing to take contested threes. There are only so many wide-open shots available--you're hard limited as a player if you can't take and make contested shots.

So you want someone who shoots 3s at a 7% worse clip because he shoots more contested shots?

 

[chzbrgr]

Lmao I realized I can see since I'm a mod.

Thks dude is seriously worked up because I think AC and Moe are better than Ariza and Gordon.

No Im really not I told you to get bent cause youre out here talking nonsense

 

[H.C.]

I question Crabbe's ability to dribble better than a 5th grader.
Where I don't have that same question about Gordon.
Therefore Gordon > Crabbe.

Now will he be healthy? If Portland gets him, we'll see.

 

[BonesJones]

The mods are out of control! Time to leave for a new forum!

Attack the post not the poster!

 

[BonesJones]

No Im really not I told you to get bent cause youre out here talking nonsense

I can backup those statements with substance, something that I think is a foreign concept to you.

 

[BonesJones]

I can backup those statements with substance, something that I think is a foreign concept to you.

Unless we're talking about foreign substances...

 

[Natebishop3]

So you want someone who shoots 3s at a 7% worse clip because he shoots more contested shots?

Gordon is a career 38% three point shooter.

Crabbe is a career 41% three point shooter.

The difference isn't as big as you make it.

 

[Reep]

Attack the post not the poster!

Of course you would say that, you lousy *edited: Express your opinions without personal attacks, thanks!*

 

[BonesJones]

I question Crabbe's ability to dribble better than a 5th grader.
Where I don't have that same question about Gordon.
Therefore Gordon > Crabbe.

Now will he be healthy? If Portland gets him, we'll see.

But Gordon can't create for others, gets no assist, and shoots the same amount of 2pt FGs as Crabbe with a lower percentage so where is Gordons "ability to dribble" helping him?

 

[Natebishop3]

Attack the post not the poster!

You're a mod so you shouldn't be attacking anything

 

[riverman]

I can backup those statements with substance, something that I think is a foreign concept to you.

you're being contentious....get over it

 

[BonesJones]

Of course you would say that, you lousy *edited: Express your opinions without personal attacks, thanks!*

*edited:*

 

[Minstrel]

So you want someone who shoots 3s at a 7% worse clip because he shoots more contested shots?

Yes, because 37% on tougher shots (that still need to be taken because the number of wide open shots are limited) is an impressive skill. It's great that Crabbe larded his percentages on the easy ones--having guys who can take the tough ones is more important. For example, are you seriously alleging that Crabbe is a better three-point shooter than Steph Curry because he shoots a higher percentage?

I've made this comparison before, but this is like a football fan who thinks that a quarterback who has a 70% completion percentage because all he throws are flanker screens and dump-offs is more accurate than a quarterback who has a 65% completion percentage and attacks downfield.

 

[chzbrgr]

I can backup those statements with substance, something that I think is a foreign concept to you.

Take my bet then r/iamverysmart

 

[BonesJones]

you're being contentious....get over it

He told me to get bent, so how am I being contentious?

He's insulted me for no reason in the past as well, but I'm being contentious. Okay.

 

[Reep]

Of course all this speculations means we are probably not getting Gordon.

 

[chzbrgr]

He told me to get bent, so how am I being contentious?

He's insulted me for no reason in the past as well, but I'm being contentious. Okay.

How is telling you to GTFO or "get bent" insulting you exactly? Or any different from the shit youve said to me? I have nevery insulted you for no reason other times. get a link to prove it or get bent

 

[BBert]

I question Crabbe's ability to dribble better than a 5th grader.
Where I don't have that same question about Gordon.
Therefore Gordon > Crabbe.

Now will he be healthy? If Portland gets him, we'll see.

10 years ago I'd say it's a forgone conclusion our trainers and medical staff would ruin him. Now, I think we are as good in that area as we used to talk about Phoenix being. Not worried

 

[BonesJones]

Yes, because 37% on tougher shots (that still need to be taken because the number of wide open shots are limited) is an impressive skill. It's great that Crabbe larded his percentages on the easy ones--having guys who can take the tough ones is more important. For example, are you seriously alleging that Crabbe is a better three-point shooter than Steph Curry because he shoots a higher percentage?

I've made this comparison before, but this is like a football fan who thinks that a quarterback who has a 70% completion percentage because all he throws are flanker screens and dump-offs is more accurate than a quarterback who has a 65% completion percentage and attacks downfield.

Your metaphor doesn't work because 3pts = 3pts, while a 30 yard pass > a 5 yard pass.

The only thing that you could claim he does better than Crabbe is 3pt shooting, but that's if you value volume over efficiency.

 

[H.C.]

But Gordon can't create for others, gets no assist, and shoots the same amount of 2pt FGs as Crabbe with a lower percentage so where is Gordons "ability to dribble" helping him?

Crabbe can't create for others either lol.
Basically imo Gordon > Crabbe for one reason.
Gordon isn't going to go invisible on the court, like Crabbe did much of last year.
If healthy I'd say Gordon is a clear upgrade from Crabbe.

I still don't like the move, because I'm not a Gordon fan.

 

[BBert]

Of course all this speculations means we are probably not getting Gordon.

So true, haha.

 

[Boob-No-More]

So you want someone who shoots 3s at a 7% worse clip because he shoots more contested shots?

Gordon also creates over twice as many assist as Crabbe. Gordon puts pressure on the defense, freeing up his teammates for more scoring opportunities. Crabbe doesn't. He just stands at the 3-point line, waiting for his man to double off him onto Dame or C.J.

I can't believe someone praising Crabbe is calling Gordon 1-dimensional. Gordon can actually dribble and pass. That's at two more dimensions than Crabbe has.

BNM

 

[H.C.]

10 years ago I'd say it's a forgone conclusion our trainers and medical staff would ruin him. Now, I think we are as good in that area as we used to talk about Phoenix being. Not worried

I pray you're right.

 

[Sinobas]

Comparing Gordon's percentages to Crabbe's isn't at all apples to apples. Crabbe virtually only shoots when left wide open. Gordon shot his 37% from three while being willing to take contested threes. There are only so many wide-open shots available--you're hard limited as a player if you can't take and make contested shots.

Right, it's common mistake to compare spot up shooters with guys that are lead scorers. Damian would probably shoot 50% on his wide open 3s.

 

[Minstrel]

Your metaphor doesn't work because 3pts = 3pts, while a 30 yard pass > a 5 yard pass.

The metaphor works fine. Being able to hit contested three-pointers when no one is wide open is much more valuable than being able to hit a wide-open three pointer. Just as a 30 yard pass is much more valuable than a 5 yard pass. If every possession could yield wide-open threes, you'd be correct, but the vast majority of possessions do not. That means on most possessions, Crabbe isn't nearly as useful as Gordon.

 

[BonesJones]

How is telling you to GTFO or "get bent" insulting you exactly? Or any different from the shit youve said to me? I have nevery insulted you for no reason other times. get a link to prove it or get bent

If I said "fuck you", would it not be an insult?

That's right, those other times you insulted me for having a different opinion then you.

 

[Sinobas]

Giving Crabbe one more year to prove himself, then getting a $13 Million trade exception for him is worse than losing Crabbe for nothing?

Rather than losing him for nothing, we had to take on 2.7 mil in dead weight for 7 years. That's like asking if you'd rather lose an old couch for nothing or have to pay someone $50 to haul it away.

 

[BonesJones]

The metaphor works fine. Being able to hit contested three-pointer when no one is wide open is much more valuable than being able to hit a wide-open three pointer. Just as a 30 yard pass is much more valuable than a 5 yard pass. If every possession could yield wide-open threes, you'd be correct, but the vast majority of possession do not. That means on most possessions, Crabbe isn't nearly as useful as Gordon.

That'd be true if the efficiency was nearly the same. A 7% difference is a lot though.