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Ed was great for us in his role, the season before last.

Last year, I don't think he looked anywhere near as good, hurt or not.
 
I think a healthy Ed Davis is a great backup for the price...solid defender...team player..we'll need his contract if we sign a star for big bucks.
 
dviss1 said:
Didn't he coach Butters? :dunno:
How was Ed Davis' year last year? :dunno:
Has Aminu played the 4 well? :dunno:
How was Vonleh playing before Nurk arrived? :dunno:

Did he get Festus healthy? :smiley-cough:
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I could provide reasoning besides coaching for what transpired last year with the bigs, but w/e. And I'm not sure if the last one was tongue in cheek or not but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one.
 
IMO, the quality of big men "coaching" is a lot less important than who the guys get to bang against in practice.

The coaching might help tweak the final product, though.
 
Mr. Robot said:
While there was no chance he would come away with the trophy, you could at least mention third-year center Jusuf Nurkić as a potential canidate for the 2017 NBA Most Improved Player award. One could argue he improved the most throughout the course of the season, going from riding the bench during his final days with the Denver Nuggets to putting up truly historic statistical performances once traded to Portland, though that run was far too short lived to garner much attention from the MIP voters. Of course, suffering a non-displaced fracture in his right tibia 20 games into his career with the Trail Blazers scuttled the rest of his season and any chance he had to really get into the discussion for Most Improved, which eventually and rightly went to Milwaukee forward Giannis Antetokounmpo, though he did end up garnering one second-place vote.

But his performance over the course of a month and a half with the Trail Blazers was enough to earn the 7-0 center out of Bosnia and Herzegovina a spot on NBA.com's favorites to win Most Improved Player award in 2018...

It was a deal that helped both teams when the Nuggets sent Nurkic to Portland. Denver had to make room for Nikola Jokic to play, but the Blazers hit it big by securing their tentpole for the middle. Nurkic is the perfect complement for the high-scoring backcourt of Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum and is also a great passer. He was a double-double producing monster upon arriving in Portland in February, but broke a bone in his leg and missed the end of the season, then managed just a cameo appearance in a first-round sweep by Golden State in the playoffs. After a disappointing 2016-17 season, a healthy Nurkic could be the reason for a strong bounce back by the Blazers.

Nurkić averaged 15.2 points on 51 percent shooting, 10.4 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 1.9 blocks and 1.3 steals in 20 games with the Trail Blazers, statistics which are considerably better than his career numbers of 8.5 points on 47 percent shooting, 6.4 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 1.2 blocks. If he’s able to play anywhere close to as well for the duration of the 2017-18 season as he did in those first 20 games in Portland, Nurkić could end up being the odds-on favorite to win Most Improved.

Timberwolves center Karl-Anthony Towns, Pacers center Miles Turner, Knicks center Kristaps Porzingis, Antetokounmpo (that's just laziness) and Lakers forward Brandon Ingram as the other preseason favorites for Most Improved.
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Can you link the article?
 
JDC said:
Does "a real big man coach" just mean some hall of fame big to you? Do you have any insight on Jim Moran's ability to coach bigs?

This isn't directed only at you specifically but I hear this idea thrown around way too often w/o anything to back it up.
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How has Meyers Leonard done since Kim Hughes was fired? After two full years under Jim Moran, does Noah Vonleh have a single reliable offensive move?

I'm not claiming Meyers was destined for stardom, but under Hughes he, at least appeared to be becoming a solid NBA role player.

Meyers last season under Kim Hughes vs. Meyers after two years under Jim Moran:

2014-15 PER = 14.8
2016-17 PER = 8.9

2014-15 TS% = .631
2016-17 TS% = .507

2014-15 TRB% = 15.8
2016-17 TRB% = 10.8

2014-15 WS/48 = .158
2016-17 WS/48 = .053

2014-15 ORtg = 117
2016-17 ORtg = 102

2014-15 DRtg = 105
2016-17 DRtg = 112

Kim Hughes was not "some hall of fame big", but he was a proven big man coach. Joel Freeland, Chris Kaman, DeAndre Jordan and LaMarcus Aldridge showed significant improvement under Kim Hughes - and Meyers was, too.

So, you tell me, what exactly has Jim Moran done to show he can help NBA big men improve their games? Name one NBA big man Jim Moran has "coached up". Jim Moran may be a good NBA assistant coach, but he has done nothing to show he's a good NBA big man coach.

BNM
 
JDC said:
I could provide reasoning besides coaching for what transpired last year with the bigs, but w/e. And I'm not sure if the last one was tongue in cheek or not but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one.
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You're not sure? The emoji tho... :D
 
Boob-No-More said:
How has Meyers Leonard done since Kim Hughes was fired? After two full years under Jim Moran, does Noah Vonleh have a single reliable offensive move?

I'm not claiming Meyers was destined for stardom, but under Hughes he, at least appeared to be becoming a solid NBA role player.

Meyers' last season under Kim Hughes vs. Meyers after two years under Jim Moran:

2014-15 PER = 14.8
2016-17 PER = 8.9

2014-15 TS% = .631
2016-17 TS% = .507

2014-15 TRB% = 15.8
2016-17 TRB% = 10.8

2014-15 WS/48 = .158
2016-17 WS/48 = .053

2014-15 ORtg = 117
2016-17 ORtg = 102

2014-15 DRtg = 105
2016-17 DRtg = 112

Kim Hughes was not "some hall of fame big", but he was a proven big man coach. Joel Freeland, Chris Kaman, DeAndre Jordan and LaMarcus Aldridge showed significant improvement under Kim Hughes - and Meyers was, too.

So, you tell me, what exactly has Jim Moran done to show he can help NBA big men improve their games? Name one NBA big man Jim Moran has "coached up". Jim Moran may be a good NBA assistant coach, but he has done nothing to show he's a good NBA big man coach.

BNM
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Meyers' play last season was not a representative sample and you of all people should know this. Him rehabbing a serious shoulder injury all off-season had more to do with what happened last year than anything Jim Moran could've done to help him succeed.

But I'm going to leave this alone. Like with anything, we are working with limited information here and we could argue both sides of this argument all day long. I guess I'm more apt to trust that if the organization thought Jim Moran was the main reason our young bigs haven't developed like we'd like, he'd already be replaced.
 
JDC said:
Meyers last season is not a representative sample and you of all people should know this. Him rehabbing a serious shoulder injury all off-season had more to do with what happened last year than anything Jim Moran could've have done to help him succeed.

But I'm going to leave this here. Like with anything, we are working with limited information and we could argue both sides of this argument all day long. I guess I'm more apt to trust that if the organization thought Jim Moran was the main reason our young bigs haven't developed like we'd like, he'd already be replaced.
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He sure hasn't made a case that we should keep him in that role though. And yes, I would rather have McHale coaching our bigs. He and Olajuwon are arguably the all time greatest players in the post.
 
JDC said:
Meyers' play last season was not a representative sample and you of all people should know this. Him rehabbing a serious shoulder injury all off-season had more to do with what happened last year than anything Jim Moran could've done to help him succeed.

But I'm going to leave this alone. Like with anything, we are working with limited information here and we could argue both sides of this argument all day long. I guess I'm more apt to trust that if the organization thought Jim Moran was the main reason our young bigs haven't developed like we'd like, he'd already be replaced.
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What about the year before? Moran has had two full seasons to work with Meyers and Meyers regressed massively both years. Compare Meyers progress under Kim Hughes to his regression under Jim Moran. The difference is striking.

Other than 20 games playing beside Nurk, 3rd year Noah Vonleh still looked like the exact same player he was when we acquired him from CHO. He had the lowest scoring average of any player to start at least 41 games last season. How is that progress?

While I loved Plumlee's energy and high BBIQ, he didn't develop any kind of offensive game in his two years under Moran's tutelage.

Meyers was the most striking example, but none of our other young big men have shown any significant growth under Jim Moran. At least under Kim Hughes we saw steady improvement.

BNM
 
Ed Davis is a great back up pf. He was injured last year.

The year before, he put up 7/7 in 20 minutes with great defense and efficiency. And an 18 PER.
 
Nate said:
Ed Davis is a great back up pf. He was injured last year.

The year before, he put up 7/7 in 20 minutes with great defense and efficiency. And an 18 PER.
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Unfortunately, he came into camp last year fat and out of shape. He sucked before he got injured. Even before the injury 2016-17 Ed Davis <<< 2015-16 Ed Davis.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Unfortunately, he came into camp last year fat and out of shape. He sucked before he got injured. Even before the injury 2016-17 Ed Davis <<< 2015-16 Ed Davis.

BNM
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He hurt his shoulder during the 15-16 season. He could have had surgery in the offseason, or just rehab. So the blazers had him try to put on weight to play center. While also rehabbing?

Blazers staff makes injured big man gain weight and he ends up getting hurt even worse...

Blazers trying to make a PF play center...

It's almost like these things have happened before.

I don't feel like posting the stats, but if you look, I think you can see that last year was probably an anomaly.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davised01.html
 
Boob-No-More said:
Unfortunately, he came into camp last year fat and out of shape. He sucked before he got injured. Even before the injury 2016-17 Ed Davis <<< 2015-16 Ed Davis.

BNM
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nah....he didn't suck the year before and he came into camp last season hobbled....it got worse...he shut it down..you may as well just condense it to....you don't like Ed Davis.....he's a role player sure. A good one when healthy from my view.
 
riverman said:
nah....he didn't suck the year before and he came into camp last season hobbled....it got worse...he shut it down..you may as well just condense it to....you don't like Ed Davis.....he's a role player sure. A good one when healthy from my view.
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Actually, the year before last Ed was my favorite player. He brought consistent effort and energy every night. I appreciated and respected that.

Last year, to me, he was the biggest disappointment on the team. The effort just wasn't there and his body language was horrible. It was like he no longer wanted to be here. Other role players (Crabbe and Turner) got HUGE contracts and he missed out. Not sure if he resented that, or not, but the effort just wasn't there, for whatever reason.

There was no mention of any injury until much later in the season.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Actually, the year before last Ed was my favorite player. He brought consistent effort and energy every night. I appreciated and respected that.

Last year, to me, he was the biggest disappointment on the team. The effort just wasn't there and his body language was horrible. It was like he no longer wanted to be here. Other role players (Crabbe and Turner) got HUGE contracts and he missed out. Not sure if he resented that, or not, but the effort just wasn't there, for whatever reason.

There was no mention of any injury until much later in the season.

BNM
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Photo / Bruce Ely
Davis to Undergo Shoulder Surgery
Portland center to miss the remainder of the season
Posted: Mar 01, 2017
Portland center Ed Davis will undergo arthroscopic surgery on his left shoulder to repair an injured labrum, it was announced today by Neil Olshey, Trail Blazers president of basketball operations.

The procedure is scheduled to be performed next Tuesday by Dr. Neal ElAttrache at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Los Angeles.

A specific prognosis will be determined for Davis following the procedure, but he is expected to be out for the remainder of the 2016-2017 season.

Davis originally injured the shoulder during the 2015-16 season and has progressively worsened.

Davis is averaging 4.3 points (52.8% FG), 5.3 rebounds and 17.2 minutes in 46 games (12 starts) this season.


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