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Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

Interesting trade.

This makes the Spurs ULTRA-thin up front, getting rid of Oberto and Thomas. If they can't fill in with some defense down-low and rebounding, I'm not sure this helps that THAT much.
 
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You know the more I think about this, the more it bothers me. Because this means for sure in my mind, that KP blew his opportunity for RJ for RLEC earlier this year. I cannot see any other possibility. Before I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Not now. Every GM will make mistakes. I just hope this isn't a run of them.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
So Ty Lawson will make Portland as good as Richard Jefferson makes SA?
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No, but it helps us get a nice PG prospect which is a bigger need than a 3 with questionable defense.

Sorry, but who gives a fuck about more rookies at this point. Let's compete this year.
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Anyone that does not think the Meteor is going to hit earth, leading to human extinction and the rise of the cockroaches as the dominant race.

R-Jeff is the right answer, potentially, for SAS - he was not the right answer for this team - they needed additional scoring - we do not need it as much and definitely not if we expect Oden to become that 3rd reliable scorer. My gut feeling is that they went for him because Manu might not be ready for a bit of time...

The rumors were that they wanted Batum and were unwilling to let go of Sessions for R-Jeff - if these rumors are right - KP did the right thing by not trading for him.
 
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blazerboy30 said:
Interesting trade.

This makes the Spurs ULTRA-thin up front, getting rid of Oberto and Thomas. If they can't fill in with some defense down-low and rebounding, I'm not sure this helps that THAT much.
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I'm sure they can find replacements for Oberto and Thomas.. Those two were pretty terrible last season. I might even take Shavlik over Oberto.
 
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RR7 said:
Bowen and Oberto each have non-guaranteed deals. Milwaukee can waive each of them, and take on only 3.9 in salary from the two of them. Thomas is 3.8 for next year. Total of 7.7 between the 3 of them. Jefferson was at 14.2. Saves them a good 6.5 million to spend on Sessions and/or Villanueva.
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If that's true, look for Bowen to be waived by the Bucks and go right back to the Spurs.

BNM
 
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The move also opens up some playing time for the Bucks lottery pick last year, Joe Alexander.
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is probably the money quote. Milwaukee is going nowhere, so here's a chance to get their lottery pick some PT.

This could be double pleasure for SA, since those players will probably be renounced, SA can just pick them up again.
 
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Milwaukee might as well have dumped Jefferson on their curb, with a "For Free" sign hanging around his neck.
 
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that spurs line up dont scare me....

two reasons paper thin and big $$$

manu tim jeff all are injury prone...
 
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alex42083 said:
True.. but if their cornerstone players are Sessions and Villanueva, along with an injured Redd, and they're going to pay big money to them.. they're still going nowhere. They still won't make the playoffs next season.

It's just a franchise treading water, and doing nothing to take it to the next level. I guess the only reason I care about it is that the Spurs got an All-Star caliber player for nothing.
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Yes but there is a difference between "No Where" and "Rock Bottom". One is a scenario they have been in for years, and still have got fans to go to the game. The other is a situation where nobody shows up, and you are a small market team on the bottom looking to try and get out. Not good.
 
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Uther TheGardener said:
that spurs line up dont scare me....

two reasons paper thin and big $$$

manu tim jeff all are injury prone...
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Not sure I buy the paper thin part at all - Thomas and Oberto are easily replaced, and they may get Bowen back.
 
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The Spurs become easier to beat IMO.
No depth whatsoever
The front line is paper thin
Bye Bye Championship Defense
Jefferson has the "big time" name, but he really isn't any better than a guy like Ariza or Outlaw
They didn't address any of their needs

I still like LA, PDX, Houston over them although they did prolly surpass Denver, b/c Den has no scoring bigs to exploit their front line.
 
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e_blazer said:
Right, because the offseason is now over and the Blazers can't make any moves. :rolleyes:
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Oh no, Portland can absolutely do something about it. I said they just got better, which I believe is true. It doesn't mean Portland can't as well later.
 
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MAS RipCity said:
The Spurs become easier to beat IMO.
No depth whatsoever
The front line is paper thin
Bye Bye Championship Defense
Jefferson has the "big time" name, but he really isn't any better than a guy like Ariza or Outlaw
They didn't address any of their needs
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1. They may be able to just pick-up some of the guys from the trade after/if they're renounced.

2. Their front line wasn't that great last year anyway. I don't think the guys traded will be that difficult to replace, that is if they don't get signed by the Spurs.

3. The difference between Jefferson and Outlaw is you can count on Jefferson. He's consistent. You don't know what you're going to get with Outlaw.
 
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MAS RipCity said:
The Spurs become easier to beat IMO.
No depth whatsoever
The front line is paper thin
Bye Bye Championship Defense
Jefferson has the "big time" name, but he really isn't any better than a guy like Ariza or Outlaw
They didn't address any of their needs

I still like LA, PDX, Houston over them although they did prolly surpass Denver, b/c Den has no scoring bigs to exploit their front line.
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Ha ha ha ha that is hilarious. First of all, RJ is a good defender. Bruce Bowen hasn't been at his highest level for several years now. This will be an upgrade for them from last year to this year.

Don't be surprised if Thomas comes right back to them. He has been shipped off of San Antonio multiple times already and it is common practice for them to go get him back after he is released.

I love how you put Ariza and Outlaw in the same sentence. Like they are the same level of player or something. Let me see, one plays offense and tough D, and one plays good offense against select matchups. Sure sounds equal to me!:devilwink:

You really need to quit doubting Popovich. He gets more out of players than most other coaches in the league, minus Phil Jackson. He will make RJ a better team player and better defender than he has ever been in his career.
 
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I don't buy their 'front line is paper thin' argument... it's not like they traded away the Admiral and Hakeem from their front line. They traded away two scrubs. And the Spurs weren't that deep anyway last year.

They did what they needed to do to get a little younger, and get more talent for no cost.
 
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MAS RipCity said:
The Spurs become easier to beat IMO.
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The Spurs just got a dynamic scorer and solid defender. I think this good insurance for them if Manu goes down and they don't have to rely on Roger Mason for big chunks of points.

If Duncan can keep his knees together, and that's a big if, the Spurs just blew by us by in talent for the moment. I think this is the move that kicks KP in the a$$ to get us our veteran in trade.
 
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LameR said:
1. They may be able to just pick-up some of the guys from the trade after/if they're renounced.

2. Their front line wasn't that great last year anyway. I don't think the guys traded will be that difficult to replace, that is if they don't get signed by the Spurs.

3. The difference between Jefferson and Outlaw is you can count on Jefferson. He's consistent. You don't know what you're going to get with Outlaw.
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DING DING DING! You are not going to beat LA, PDX, or HOU with that shitty ass front court. They did not go after their weakness. W/ Manu coming back, they have plenty of scoring. Rjeff doesn't really help them that much. They would have been better served going after Kaman or Camby.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
Who cares, Jefferson isn't an upgrade for us. No way a defensive minded player who can score as well would be a good fit for us.

KP better make things happen this summer, or we are going to get lapped so to speak.
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Wow.

So wrong.

So, so wrong.

Just for starters, Jefferson hasn't played hard defense in years.
 
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Good deal for both teams. Spurs improve their chances to win now and Bucks save some money to help build for the future.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
Funny that you should mention SA, rookies, and competing. Didn't SA win a title with a rookie PG? A foreign teenager, no less.
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That was Tony Parker's second year in the league.


The last time a rookie starting point guard was on a title team was the 1979-1980 Lakers with Magic at the helm. That team had Kareem, Jamal Wilks and Norm Nixon on it, amongst others.

Rubio might be good. Parker is very good. Neither is one quarter the player Magic was in his prime.
 
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It does seem like this is another deal like the Memphis one with Gasol.
 
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funny no one mentions the bucks basically drafted yi for nothing
 
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PG: Parker
SG: Ginobli
SF: Jefferson
PF: Gooden
C: Duncan

If healthy, that's a team that can make a lot of noise next year.
 
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BlazerBeliever said:
It does seem like this is another deal like the Memphis one with Gasol.
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Jefferson isn't the player Gasol is, but it's similar.

They keep wasting lottery picks too. Yi and Joe Alexander the last two years? Awful.
 
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I'm not convinced this makes San Antonio markedly better. Does Ginobli start or Jefferson start? If both of them start, who gets the shots between Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson and Duncan? And if both of them start, where's their punch off of the bench? I suppose Roger Mason Jr. and George Hill, but that's putting a lot on their shoulders.

Bowen served a great role for that team, always guarding the other team's playmaker on defense and keeping the floor spread so Duncan, Ginobli and Parker could operate in the interior on offense.

Not to mention they traded away their front line depth. Better hope Timmy holds up.

I guess the Spurs had to get more athletic, but I don't know that they jump us with this move.

-Pop
 
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I would not be surprised to see Bowen resign with the supers for the smaller exception, and Oberto with the MLE (if they'r released).

I think we should look at Oberto as a backup PF option.
 
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Yeah.. expect the Spurs to re-sign Bowen and Oberto. So essentially it's Jefferson for Kurt Thomas. Kind of a no brainer on their part.
 
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