Merged: OT: Mavs in the Caron/Haywood sweepstakes now

[EGame]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Dude, Gooden is a scrub! I don't care about your fancy PERs and your jazzy statistics, and your spinning of them to make Drew Gooden look good. As someone who rarely watches the Mavs, I can tell you on extremely limited authority that Gooden is terrible. Why? Because I said so!

Shall I bring up your fun you had when you disagreed with getting Biedrins from Golden State? Just because I don't value Gooden highly doesn't mean I should get all the flack, but then again, I realize not everyone will agree with me which is fine. I won't pretend like I am getting "picked on."

 

[BGrantFan]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Shall I bring up your fun you had when you disagreed with getting Biedrins from Golden State? Just because I don't value Gooden highly doesn't mean I should get all the flack, but then again, I realize not everyone will agree with me which is fine. I won't pretend like I am getting "picked on."

I disagree with getting Biedrins from Golden State because of his salary and the type of game he plays. I don't see how paying him ~ $10/per over the next 4 years to back up Oden and Aldridge is a good thing. I apologized for the "picked on" thing. I think that Boob guy and I are cool now. I didn't realize the attack mentality one needs to post here, and I adjusted shortly thereafter. Now, let's talk some more about how Gooden is a scrub, shall we?

 

[noknobs]

Not saying we weren't, but I think it is hilarious that you guys still go under the saying that is "in KP we trust."

I had no idea I went under that saying. Thank you for letting me know.

Other than the draft he has brought nothing as GM. I won't be to shocked if he resigns Blake either. Whether you guys want to believe it or not, we need a second scorer behind Roy, Aldridge is not that, and I am not sure Rudy, Bayless, and Batum are that either. Oden can be, but he has to be healthy, and even though I am still glad we have Oden and that we picked him at the time, I am not overly optimistic he will play a full season. I think injuries piling on him is very possible.

I think Aldridge is that second scorer, so shocker, we disagree. I think picking up Miller/Howard have been very good additions this year, so I guess we disagree again. And you say "other than the draft he has brought nothing".. Well the draft has brought us Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Batum, Rudy, Bayless, Cunningham, etc. etc.. so I'd say he's brought us quite a bit.

And if he's never done anything good but the draft, how did the term "Pritch-Slap" arise? From trades of course... So sorry if none of those trades occured at the trading deadline, big whoop.

I just don't think he's done anything that bad and he's done a lot good.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

I didn't realize the attack mentality one needs to post here,

Actually, you need either the attack mentality, or the "I don't really give a care about anything anyone says" mentality. I tend toward the latter. Life's easier that way.

 

[EGame]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

I disagree with getting Biedrins from Golden State because of his salary and the type of game he plays. I don't see how paying him ~ $10/per over the next 4 years to back up Oden and Aldridge is a good thing. I apologized for the "picked on" thing. I think that Boob guy and I are cool now. I didn't realize the attack mentality one needs to post here, and I adjusted shortly thereafter. Now, let's talk some more about how Gooden is a scrub, shall we?

lulz, I am glad everything is fine now and you don't find posters to be "rude" like you once did and were kind of acting yourself just because I called someone a scrub who I don't view highly. It is great you are teaching me about him, he may be better than I think, but I laugh at the thought of a Howard/Gooden deal that the other dude brought up? So for one thing we have Howard who just hasn't been that great (yes, in my opinion), is a headcase, and of course takes time away from Batum. Then we have Gooden, who might be a fine player, but so is Haywood. For any injury problems people bring up about Butler, Howard has had some himself, so I don't get that.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And if he's never done anything good but the draft, how did the term "Pritch-Slap" arise? From trades of course... So sorry if none of those trades occured at the trading deadline, big whoop.

Actually, all the trades that contributed to the pritch-slap term were draft-related trades. It's understandable that some might lump draft-day trades in with the draft itself.

 

[EGame]

I had no idea I went under that saying. Thank you for letting me know.



I think Aldridge is that second scorer, so shocker, we disagree. I think picking up Miller/Howard have been very good additions this year, so I guess we disagree again. And you say "other than the draft he has brought nothing".. Well the draft has brought us Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Batum, Rudy, Bayless, Cunningham, etc. etc.. so I'd say he's brought us quite a bit.

And if he's never done anything good but the draft, how did the term "Pritch-Slap" arise? From trades of course... So sorry if none of those trades occured at the trading deadline, big whoop.

I just don't think he's done anything that bad and he's done a lot good.

Well, congrats. You're near the only one.

And go ahead, you can support KP all you want, I will do what I want and question him? Deal? Okay, great.

 

[noknobs]

Actually, all the trades that contributed to the pritch-slap term were draft-related trades. It's understandable that some might lump draft-day trades in with the draft itself.

Understandable, but not accurate.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

I laugh at the thought of a Howard/Gooden deal that the other dude brought up? So for one thing we have Howard who just hasn't been that great (yes, in my opinion), is a headcase, and of course takes time away from Batum. Then we have Gooden, who might be a fine player, but so is Haywood. For any injury problems people bring up about Butler, Howard has had some himself, so I don't get that.

I like Gooden much better than Haywood--more cerebral, better offensive game--and I like Howard better than Butler--younger, more athletic, better defender. I could see the argument the other direction, but that's my preference.

 

[maxiep]

And Gerald Wallace. Dang, he would have looked nice on this team now...

Wrong. Wallace was never available for RLEC.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Understandable, but not accurate.

Accurate enough to support the "KP is not a good in-season GM" argument. Very similar to the "Nate is not a good in-game coach" argument. Both have merit.

 

[EGame]

Wrong. Wallace was never available for RLEC.

Okay what was he available for? I know it was Batum and we had to take a bad contract in return, which of course, I would have done because I like proven players. I will admit the one thing that scares me about Wallace is his injury history, but he such a great player, that it is worth the gamble to me.

 

[BGrantFan]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Actually, you need either the attack mentality, or the "I don't really give a care about anything anyone says" mentality. I tend toward the latter. Life's easier that way.

I can see myself vacillating between the those two poles if I continue to post here. The attack stuff is so invigorating for now, though! I feel like a school boy again! Into the battle I march unafraid, unaware of what the coming days, weeks, and months will bring me.

 

[EGame]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

I like Gooden much better than Haywood--more cerebral, better offensive game--and I like Howard better than Butler--younger, more athletic, better defender. I could see the argument the other direction, but that's my preference.

Is Gooden a good man and/or help defender? Because that is what I am mostly looking for and I know Haywood is good at that. Howard may be younger, but I am not fond with guys with attitude problems and I know Pritchard is not fond of them either.

 

[BGrantFan]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

lulz, I am glad everything is fine now and you don't find posters to be "rude" like you once did and were kind of acting yourself just because I called someone a scrub who I don't view highly. It is great you are teaching me about him, he may be better than I think, but I laugh at the thought of a Howard/Gooden deal that the other dude brought up? So for one thing we have Howard who just hasn't been that great (yes, in my opinion), is a headcase, and of course takes time away from Batum. Then we have Gooden, who might be a fine player, but so is Haywood. For any injury problems people bring up about Butler, Howard has had some himself, so I don't get that.

Oh, I still find some posters here to be rude. I'm cool with that, and I've adjusted my own style of play. Treat others as they treat you, or something like that. A defensive position, of course, but a necessity for a noob. I'm what you'd call a good in-game coach, I guess.

 

[noknobs]

And go ahead, you can continue to be an intelligent human being, I will continue being misinformed, overly emotional and short-sighted, completely lacking any perspective of the long-term, and pretending I know more about being a GM than our GM does. Deal? Okay, great.

Deal.

 

[Buzz Killington]

deal is close per teh twitter.

 

[BGrantFan]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Is Gooden a good man and/or help defender? Because that is what I am mostly looking for and I know Haywood is good at that. Howard may be younger, but I am not fond with guys with attitude problems and I know Pritchard is not fond of them either.

Gooden's not-so-hot on defense, and he certainly can't defend the post very well.

In the West, Haywood may actually be a plus in terms of making the playoffs, but a liability in a 7 game series. He isn't at all mobile, and I feel the poor guy would just get abused and exposed by the quicker, generally smaller 4/5s masquerading as 5s in the West. There-in lies the dilemma. Does Haywood guarantee a play-off berth? If so, who do the Blazers give up that might help them create mismatches in the playoffs?

 

[EGame]

Deal.

Niceeeee. Whatever helps you sleep better at night. Glad to see your opinions are far superior than mine.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Is Gooden a good man and/or help defender? Because that is what I am mostly looking for and I know Haywood is good at that. Howard may be younger, but I am not fond with guys with attitude problems and I know Pritchard is not fond of them either.

Haven't watched him a ton, so I couldn't say, but I do know that he's a better rebounder than Haywood, and that he has a better defensive rating (104 to Haywood's 106). Haywood is admittedly more of a "true" center than Gooden, but I think I prefer the idea of getting a PF/C to fill in for now but back up both spots in the future once Oden's healthy again.

 

[EGame]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Haven't watched him a ton, so I couldn't say, but I do know that he's a better rebounder than Haywood, and that he has a better defensive rating (104 to Haywood's 106). Haywood is admittedly more of a "true" center than Gooden, but I think I prefer the idea of getting a PF/C to fill in for now but back up both spots in the future once Oden's healthy again.

Maybe my lack of knowledge on Gooden has definitely shown and maybe he would be a good get for us, but I do not want Howard near this team tbh. Just isn't all that to me, and like I said, not fond of his attitude problem.

 

[MickZagger]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Maybe my lack of knowledge on Gooden has definitely shown and maybe he would be a good get for us, but I do not want Howard near this team tbh. Just isn't all that to me, and like I said, not fond of his attitude problem.

Perhaps you should watch him more. He's a helluva player. A slight headcase, but the guy can ball. That said, we have Batum.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I heard on the radio that Butler to Dallas is a done deal.

 

[BGrantFan]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Maybe my lack of knowledge on Gooden has definitely shown and maybe he would be a good get for us, but I do not want Howard near this team tbh. Just isn't all that to me, and like I said, not fond of his attitude problem.

I wouldn't be thrilled with Howard either, but primarily because I think it would take Batum to get him, and I'd have to watch Nic abuse the Blazers for the next decade or so.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

I heard on the radio that Butler to Dallas is a done deal.

It is cause WOJ said SOOOO ok??? haha

 

[EGame]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Perhaps you should watch him more. He's a helluva player. A slight headcase, but the guy can ball. That said, we have Batum.

I have seen him a couple of times. He is a hell of a player when he wants to be. He plays lazy, and I don't want those type of players, thanks.

 

[julius]

I heard on the radio that Butler to Dallas is a done deal.

Remember when the Mavs traded for Kidd, and they floundered? It's not always smart to trade for a player.

 

[LittleAlex]

Mark Stein just tweeted that the deal is Josh Howard, Drew Gooden for Bulter/Haywood/Stevenson.

A ballsie move for sure. Dallas just got better I think.

At least they just got better then Portland this year and potentially next season even if everyone comes back healthy.

 

[LittleAlex]

Remember when the Mavs traded for Kidd, and they floundered? It's not always smart to trade for a player.

They traded for Kidd a year after they got smoked in the first round of the playoffs so I don't think they started floundering so much as kept floundering.


And it's not like Devin Harris has lit the world on fire for the Nets.

 

[julius]

Mark Stein just tweeted that the deal is Josh Howard, Drew Gooden for Bulter/Haywood/Stevenson.

A ballsie move for sure. Dallas just got better I think.

At least they just got better then Portland this year and potentially next season even if everyone comes back healthy.

Meh...I think people are way over valuing Butler here and Brendan "oh hey, it's my contract year, maybe this will be the first year I don't suck and I'll be able to trick someone into signing me to a bigger contract than my talent warrants" Haywood.