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Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

That has established Portland as the most determined Hedo suitor on the market, which the Blazers made clear by reaching out immediately in the early, early minutes of Wednesday to Turkoglu's agent Lon Babby. Besides Detroit, Toronto (which would likely have to get sign-and-trade creative) and Sacramento (which would have to show an unexpected willingness to spend) also continue to be linked with the Magic's outgoing closer.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=Chatter-090701
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

Be realistic, Hedo wouldn't pick Detroit or Toronto. Portland is his best bet at a championship, and that's gotta be worth more to him at this point in his career than several million a year. Which makes me more sad.
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

Hmm... I hope that, if we get Turkoglu, we add another player (PG), as well, because Vince Carter would be a better addition to the Blazers than Hedo at 5 years, $50m.

Turkoglu + Miller or Hinrich or something else costing as much a year as VC alone would be a better deal.

Ed O.
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

B-Roy said:
That has established Portland as the most determined Hedo suitor on the market, which the Blazers made clear by reaching out immediately in the early, early minutes of Wednesday to Turkoglu's agent Lon Babby.
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Assuming Lon Babby is telling the truth, which is indeed an assumption.

barfo
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

LMAO @ the guy who brought up Claver as a reason to not sign Hedo. Horrible.
 
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Ed O said:
Hmm... I hope that, if we get Turkoglu, we add another player (PG), as well, because Vince Carter would be a better addition to the Blazers than Hedo at 5 years, $50m.

Turkoglu + Miller or Hinrich or something else costing as much a year as VC alone would be a better deal.

Ed O.
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Agreed, Turkoglu on his own would be a very puzzling signing, if there's only money for one free agent it should be a PG. But get Turkoglu and add in a vet PG and then we're talking. Preferably Hinrich to compensate defensively, going from Batum to Turkoglu could really hurt against teams with a superstar wing. I wonder if he could be persuaded to come off the bench.
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

Ed O said:
Hmm... I hope that, if we get Turkoglu, we add another player (PG), as well, because Vince Carter would be a better addition to the Blazers than Hedo at 5 years, $50m.

Turkoglu + Miller or Hinrich or something else costing as much a year as VC alone would be a better deal.

Ed O.
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I think Turkoglu is a better player and a better fit for the Blazers. If we can add Hedo and Miller, we will be set big time.
 
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AmirIcon said:
LMAO @ the guy who brought up Claver as a reason to not sign Hedo. Horrible.
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Why hate on Victor for? The guys is lottery talent!
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

AmirIcon said:
I think Turkoglu is a better player and a better fit for the Blazers. If we can add Hedo and Miller, we will be set big time.
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Hedo has put up sub-15 PERs in two of the last three seasons and had a 13.2 PER during his "breakout" playoffs this year (with a career playoff PER of 12.4).

Compare that to Vince, who had PERs of 21.8, 18.8 and 19.8 the last three years and has a career playoff PER over 21.

Neither of them are good defenders, and while Hedo is two years younger than Vince I don't think that there's any way he's a better player than Carter.

Ed O.
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

:dunno: I'm not against signing Hedo, but I seriously question if he is worth 5 years/$50 million. More to the point, I am puzzled that a SF would be our first priority.
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

I don't understand why the dollars a big deal at this point.... who cares if we sign him for 5 years at $50 million? We will be so far over the cap once Roy, Aldridge, and Oden sign extensions, it really won't matter at that point. I'm all for signing Hedo.

Also, I think we already have a deal in place for a point guard. It might be Kirk Hinrich. I really wouldn't be surprised if we sign Hedo and trade Blake/Outlaw for Kirk.
 
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AmirIcon said:
I would hope Kirk is one of our last options on the table. I would MUCH rather have Andre Miller or Ramon Sessions. Anyone who actually drives the ball to the teeth of the defense rather than sit on the perimeter and chucks 3s.
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Hinrich is a much better defender than either of those two. that said, I don't want any of the three. Ray Felton does both. Excellent defender. Can drive and kick. Can play half court offense. Best option out there.
 
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Black Mamba said:
Once I saw your guys' responses, I was at ease with my worries.

I'm still not sure where Ariza ends up, but it won't be Portland.
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Because posts here determine where free agents sign?

barfo
 
Hedo Turkoglu Welcome Thread

Welcome Hedo!!! I know it's not a done deal yet, but I'm very excited. He makes us better in so many ways and he has Finals experience. I assume we will then deal Blake and Outlaw to Chicago for Hinrich. Bulls get more talent and Blazers get the upgrade at PG that they want. You all know I love Outlaw, but I can see the big picture here and that is that these moves make us a better team that will do better in the playoffs. I will always be an Outlaw fan and root for him and the Bulls whenever they're not playing us. Outlaw & Blake will definitely make the Bulls a better team that should be able to get HCA in the playoffs next season.

Go Blazers!!!
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

im all for turkoglu...hmmm but maybe that's because i'm turkish ;)
 
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It seems like Paxson has always had a man crush on Hinrich, so I doubt he'll be going anywhere. Even at the expense of the 26 year old Ben Gordon who led the team in scoring the past four seasons. Since Gordon joined the club, the team has had only one season under .500. Paired with Derrick Rose, the Bulls had one of the top back courts in the NBA last season (38 PPG / 10 APG). Next to Roy he'd give the Blazers the same situation (40+ PPG, 9 APG).

Why spend $50M on a 6'10" guy who gives you 5 RPG and who's going to be pushing 40 when the contract runs out?
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

Ruc Bucher has Turkoglu listed as the #1 free agent available, above Miller (#3), Odom (#5), Kidd (#8), and Artest (#9).
 
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PapaG said:
Wow, I really hope this isn't true.
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Agreed. A slow, slightly above average shooter who couldn't defend my grandmother. This will put a lot of pressure on our centers to defend both Hedo's man as well as theirs.

In the end, this will actually hurt the team.
 
Re: Hedo Turkoglu Welcome Thread

Please say no to us, Hedo. Please!! Take your flopping, no defense game elsewhere.
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

I'll be pretty disappointed if this deal happens. It reminds me a lot of when the Bulls added Ben Wallace. Before that, Chicago was already one of the very best defensive teams in the league, but couldn't generate much offense in the post. So they try to make themselves even better by adding Ben Wallace. But Wallace was already on the decline, and his offensive game was non-existant. And any gains they made on the defensive end were minute (how much better could they really get?) It was a complete failure. They signed him for way too much, and the guy has been fobbed off a couple times, his contract always being the biggest reason you couldn't trade him for value.

Now let's compare that to Hedo. We already had one of the most efficient offenses in the league last year, but couldn't really contain elite swingmen. Guys like LeBron and Artest just lit us up. So we add a Hedo Turkoglu, who has just had the best season he'll likely ever see. But his defense is in the same mediocre-to-below-mediocre category of guys like Outlaw and Webster, so we still have the exact same problem we had last year. Except we're locked into a contract for a 30+ year old guy, and will continue to be so a year or two from now when Batum will finally be able to provide that veteran defensive presence for 35 mpg we'd needed all along.

Every year a new list of "The Worst Contracts in the NBA" comes out, and people scratch their heads and say, "What on earth was the team thinking when they inked that deal?" I expect Turkoglu to be on that list in about two more years if he comes here.

We're one of the only teams around that have the money to ink a big deal. I'd really rather see use it on things we actually need.
 
Re: Hedo Turkoglu Welcome Thread

Turk is not an allstar, but he is a player that makes his teammates better. A samll forward that can feed the post, shoot off the dribble, shoot the 3 and play team defensive. He has skills and IMO was the most valuable player at the end of games for a team who went to the finals. You guys can blow off chemistry all you want, but I think this guy would fit in well and would eliminate the need to bring in a PG that would NOT fit in well with Brandon.

Most games are one in the final few minutes. Having Turk on the floor would be huge.
 
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Please say no to us, Hedo. Please!!
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I'm kinda with you there. I would rather go after Sessions with our cap space.
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

I agree with many posters here. I would be disappointed if this happened. I am not a Hedo fan, and don't think we need a no-defense playing outside shooter at the 3. I think we need more of a defender, cutter, high energy, fast break type guy to balance out our lineup.
 
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mook said:
I'll be pretty disappointed if this deal happens. It reminds me a lot of when the Bulls added Ben Wallace. Before that, Chicago was already one of the very best defensive teams in the league, but couldn't generate much offense in the post. So they try to make themselves even better by adding Ben Wallace. But Wallace was already on the decline, and his offensive game was non-existant. And any gains they made on the defensive end were minute (how much better could they really get?) It was a complete failure. They signed him for way too much, and the guy has been fobbed off a couple times, his contract always being the biggest reason you couldn't trade him for value.

Now let's compare that to Hedo. We already had one of the most efficient offenses in the league last year, but couldn't really contain elite swingmen. Guys like LeBron and Artest just lit us up. So we add a Hedo Turkoglu, who has just had the best season he'll likely ever see. But his defense is in the same mediocre-to-below-mediocre category of guys like Outlaw and Webster, so we still have the exact same problem we had last year. Except we're locked into a contract for a 30+ year old guy, and will continue to be so a year or two from now when Batum will finally be able to provide that veteran defensive presence for 35 mpg we'd needed all along.

Every year a new list of "The Worst Contracts in the NBA" comes out, and people scratch their heads and say, "What on earth was the team thinking when they inked that deal?" I expect Turkoglu to be on that list in about two more years if he comes here.

We're one of the only teams around that have the money to ink a big deal. I'd really rather see use it on things we actually need.
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I agree that we should get players that address our biggest weakness: perimeter defense. However, I'll play devil's advocate for a minute:

Roy does too much, and if it hasn't bitten us yet, it will. While our offense is very efficient, it is predicated on Roy bailing us out. Artest, who sings Roy's praises, says that Roy's defense "sucks". Of course, the reason for this is the energy he expends on the offensive side of the court. By getting a ball-handling PG, the offense will flow better, and Roy will end up having to do less work. This will allow Roy to spend more energy on defense, improving our team defense.

As for Turk's contract, let wait to see how large it is. With Miles, we were bidding against no one, and we went way too high. I'm not sure we're really bidding against anyone this time. If the contract is too large, then yes, it will harm KP's reputation.
 
Re: CBS Sports reporting Blazers after Turkoglu / Quick reports talks with Hedo's age

I really don't get all of the Hedo hate.

He is one of the best passing forwards in the league, he can get the ball into the post, While he will never be confused with Bowen or Rodman, he is a capable defender, he can stretch the defense and take his defender off the dribble, he seems to be a team player, Dwight Howard has begged him to come back, so he must think he is a valuable piece, when his contract is up, his replacement Batum will be the ripe age of like 24-25, he can play several possitions on the floor.


He is not the ideal guy, but it's not like he doesn't bring things to this team it so dearly lacks.
 
Re: Hedo Turkoglu Welcome Thread

Why do I suddenly have Trenton Hassell images dancing around in my head?
 
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