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[KingSpeed]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

shut him down for a few weeks. we won't really care.

Its going to be painful watching the game on TV tomorrow.

Why? We're still a good team with a better record than Denver. Neither Roy or Oden were going to play tomorrow anyway. Today's news sucks but it's not like Oden had been playing. And Wesley Matthews is a more than serviceable replacement for Roy. Matthews is no scrub. He started at SG last season for a team that reached the second round. We're at home tomorrow. I expect us to win.

 

[alex42083]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

shedding big contracts and attempting to course correct with a new roster is a plan at least. Just hanging on and trying not to suck too badly depresses me more than the team nose-diving intentionally for a year or two (hopefully) and making a good faith attempt to chase a ring.

So who do we get rid of and shed? I still think we've got a couple good building blocks with Aldridge and Nicolas. Roy's a little bit of an unknown. But I don't think we necessarily have to tank it ala 2004-2006.. we're not at that stage. We're in a bad state obviously, but we can still retool around some of the players we've got.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

Why? We're still a good team with a better record than Denver. Neither Roy or Oden were going to play tomorrow anyway. Today's news sucks but it's not like Oden had been playing. And Wesley Matthews is a more than serviceable replacement for Roy. Matthews is no scrub. He started at SG last season for a team that reached the second round. We're at home tomorrow. I expect us to win.

Because they're going to beat the Oden shit into the ground. Its a TNT game right? Barkley? FUCK MY LIFE.

Its like the game where we lost Greg last year. Amazing finish by Roy but I just didn't give a fuck because we lost Oden.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

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I just hope they won't play Roy unless he is ready to give a 100% effort out there. I personally will reassess my goals for the team; as depressing as it is, just to make the playoffs and hopefully to see a breakout year by Batum and have Armon Johnson show enough that i can hope he will be an above average PG. It would be too depressing to try to go to the bottom again so soon, so they will have to rebuild on the run which is extremely difficult. They will need to use their older assets and expiring contracts very carefully, waiting for opportunities that only come up once in awhile. I don't want them to trade Joel unless he wants to go to another team; we don't have much to hold onto as Blazer fans right now, so I think we need to hold onto our honor.

 

[KingSpeed]

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I don't think anyone is insinuating that the team not try. But more that we cut our losses with this team and rebuild.

But I didn't fork over thousands of $$s, so I probably have little say in this.

What exactly do you mean by "rebuild"?

 

[OddEnormous]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

Maybe Cho will make some big time trades to put us over the top.

Hmmmmmm..... What are some of our other options?

 

[illmatic99]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

What exactly do you mean by "rebuild"?

Start over. BRoy-LA-GO wasn't meant to be. Find someone else to add to the crew.

 

[KingSpeed]

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Because they're going to beat the Oden shit into the ground. Its a TNT game right? Barkley? FUCK MY LIFE.

Its like the game where we lost Greg last year. Amazing finish by Roy but I just didn't give a fuck because we lost Oden.

Oh. Pay them no mind. It's about winning games, not about pleasing Charles Barkley.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

Tanking for draft picks rarely works. Yes, I don't want to be the Indiana Pacers of the past 5 years, but I also don't want to be the Clippers or even reprise the decade or more futility of franchises like the Nuggets or Cavs before they finally got lucky.

What generally builds championship-caliber teams is smart management looking to improve what the team has on hand, not attempts to burn the franchise down to make a fresh start.

 

[OddEnormous]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

It's not about pleasing Charles Barkley.

What if you were really drunk?

 

[KingSpeed]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

Start over. BRoy-LA-GO wasn't meant to be. Find someone else to add to the crew.

What do you mean by "start over"? How exactly do you "start over"?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

So who do we get rid of and shed? I still think we've got a couple good building blocks with Aldridge and Nicolas. Roy's a little bit of an unknown. But I don't think we necessarily have to tank it ala 2004-2006.. we're not at that stage. We're in a bad state obviously, but we can still retool around some of the players we've got.

You're somewhat right. The bottom line with Aldridge is that he's probably impossible to move and the same goes for Roy. But in a nutshell, I would readily trade Miller, Camby and Joel (and even Greg's expiring contract) to take back some deadweight contracts and high draft picks if they're available. In the meantime give Nic and Armon as many minutes as they can handle, do the best you can for the next 2 or 3 years and when Roy, Aldridge and whomever else get to a point where they're more movable use their expiring deals to get some value.

It's either that or hope the CBA includes provisions for cutting injured players and recouping those contract dollars as cap room.

 

[B-Roy]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

Tanking for draft picks rarely works. Yes, I don't want to be the Indiana Pacers of the past 5 years, but I also don't want to be the Clippers or even reprise the decade or more futility of franchises like the Nuggets or Cavs before they finally got lucky.

What generally builds championship-caliber teams is smart management looking to improve what the team has on hand, not attempts to burn the franchise down to make a fresh start.

So...what do we do?

 

[illmatic99]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

Tanking for draft picks rarely works. Yes, I don't want to be the Indiana Pacers of the past 5 years, but I also don't want to be the Clippers or even reprise the decade or more futility of franchises like the Nuggets or Cavs before they finally got lucky.

What generally builds championship-caliber teams is smart management looking to improve what the team has on hand, not attempts to burn the franchise down to make a fresh start.

Yup.

But with the contracts that are on the books now, and very little roster flexibility, "re-tooling" might not exactly be an option.

 

[KingSpeed]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

Tanking for draft picks rarely works. Yes, I don't want to be the Indiana Pacers of the past 5 years, but I also don't want to be the Clippers or even reprise the decade or more futility of franchises like the Nuggets or Cavs before they finally got lucky.

And how "lucky" have they been? They've won 0 championships. Isn't that the goal?

 

[Nikolokolus]

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FWIW, I kind of like the idea of trading Oden, Pryzbilla, and Miller for Iggy and Brand (assuming Philly would do it).

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

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Oh. Pay them no mind. It's about winning games, not about pleasing Charles Barkley.

Too painful.

 

[RoyToy]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

You're somewhat right. The bottom line with Aldridge is that he's probably impossible to move and the same goes for Roy. But in a nutshell, I would readily trade Miller, Camby and Joel (and even Greg's expiring contract) to take back some deadweight contracts and high draft picks if they're available. In the meantime give Nic and Armon as many minutes as they can handle, do the best you can for the next 2 or 3 years and when Roy, Aldridge and whomever else get to a point where they're more movable use their expiring deals to get some value.

It's either that or hope the CBA includes provisions for cutting injured players and recouping those contract dollars as cap room.

Not over McMillan's dead body. You'd have to fire him first.

Not saying that won't be an option, but that would have to be the piece to fall.

 

[KingSpeed]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

So...what do we do?

Build around who we have. We still have a very good team with a lot of upside. Batum, Aldridge, Johnson, Matthews, and Rudy are still very young.

 

[Nikolokolus]

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Not over McMillan's dead body. You'd have to fire him first.

Not saying that won't be an option, but that would have to be the piece to fall.

So be it. Hell, he's probably gone anyway at the end of the year either by choice or because of failing to advance out of the first round.

 

[KingSpeed]

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You're somewhat right. The bottom line with Aldridge is that he's probably impossible to move and the same goes for Roy. But in a nutshell, I would readily trade Miller, Camby and Joel (and even Greg's expiring contract) to take back some deadweight contracts and high draft picks if they're available. In the meantime give Nic and Armon as many minutes as they can handle, do the best you can for the next 2 or 3 years and when Roy, Aldridge and whomever else get to a point where they're more movable use their expiring deals to get some value.
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Name me the last NBA champion that was built that way, throwing everyone away for draft picks?

 

[KingSpeed]

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FWIW, I kind of like the idea of trading Oden, Pryzbilla, and Miller for Iggy and Brand (assuming Philly would do it).

Brand is not a center. And he's damaged goods. I pass on that deal. You underestimate how much Joel and Miller still have to offer our team.

 

[B-Roy]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

Build around who we have. We still have a very good team with a lot of upside. Batum, Aldridge, Johnson, Matthews, and Rudy are still very young.

None of those are top 20 players, and I would argue none of them have the potential to be either. How do you manage to get by with a bunch of role players?

 

[illmatic99]

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Name me the last NBA champion that was built that way, throwing everyone away for draft picks?

Boston.

They clearly tanked in 07. Failed to get GO/KD, so they traded away their pick from that year, and a whole bunch of young guys they had picked earlier, and built a championship core.

I was laughing at Ainge for sacrificing years and years of contention for one run at the title, but I was clearly misguided.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

Name me the last NBA champion that was built that way, throwing everyone away for draft picks?

Name the last NBA champion that had two of it's cornerstone players with health as shaky as Roy and Oden?

And for what it's worth I'm not an advocate of only building through the draft, I'm very much in favor of trying to acquire as many draft picks as possible on the hope of nabbing at least one or two elite players and then leveraging the rest in trades for veterans or role-players.

At least rebuilding gives this team a shot, the status quo for this team is a fast-track to nowhere.

 

[KingSpeed]

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Boston.

They clearly tanked in 07. Failed to get GO/KD, so they traded away their pick from that year, and a whole bunch of young guys they had picked earlier, and built a championship core.

I was laughing at Ainge for sacrificing years and years of contention for one run at the title, but I was clearly misguided.

They did it through trades, not through the draft. We have way more to offer in a trade than they did that year. Yes, they tanked for Oden, but they lost.

 

[KingSpeed]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

None of those are top 20 players, and I would argue none of them have the potential to be either. How do you manage to get by with a bunch of role players?

Batum, Aldridge, and Johnson still have the chance to be top 20 players, I believe.

 

[Draco]

Re: So what happens the rest of this season....?

We don't need to tank to win a title, there have been plenty of great players drafted late in the draft. Tony Parker, Rajon Rondo, Carlos Boozer. I don't want to see the team be a 21 win mess to get in a position where their most likely pick is #4 and they have zero quality starters to add even if they luck out in the lotto. Yes we should look to improve the talent through trades. Yes this may push back the possible contending window. But if we end up getting a lucky move that adds an allstar we would be right there in the title hunt. I think that is a much more likely path then trying to intentionally suck in the hope the team gets a lucky lotto ball bounce.

 

[Nikolokolus]

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Batum, Aldridge, and Johnson still have the chance to be top 20 players, I believe.

at their respective position? yeah I'd buy that. Don't get me wrong I really love Batum, I like Johnson's potential and Aldridge doesn't infuriate me the way he does some Blazers fans, but of that group I'd say only Batum still has enough ceiling to maybe be a top 20 player in the league and that is a longshot.

 

[alex42083]

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You're somewhat right. The bottom line with Aldridge is that he's probably impossible to move and the same goes for Roy. But in a nutshell, I would readily trade Miller, Camby and Joel (and even Greg's expiring contract) to take back some deadweight contracts and high draft picks if they're available. In the meantime give Nic and Armon as many minutes as they can handle, do the best you can for the next 2 or 3 years and when Roy, Aldridge and whomever else get to a point where they're more movable use their expiring deals to get some value.

It's either that or hope the CBA includes provisions for cutting injured players and recouping those contract dollars as cap room.

I'd be for trading our veterans, but only if it nets us anything of value. I don't see teams, though, who are headed toward the lottery, looking to make a move for guys like Andre and Camby, and giving up their potentially high picks. Ugh, I just hate the idea of tanking and trying to rebuild through cap space or depending on ping-pong balls to fall our way ... again. I still think we've got good players on this team that we don't have to start ENTIRELY over.