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PtldPlatypus said:
Biggest problem with CJ trade scenarios is the fact that virtually none of them can be consummated until July due to the poison pill provision currently in place due to his extension. So for any of the above, it would all have to be dependent upon who is actually drafted in that spot.
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But if the team taking him has cap space, they can still take him though, right? Which Philadelphia and I believe also Minnesota have.
 
JDC said:
Watched some FIBA U18 tape to get a look at Diallo in a competitive setting and color me impressed. From a physical tools standpoint, he blows Terrance Ferguson out of the water. Works his ass off defensively too.

Still super raw offensively though. Mainly an energy guy but I love his aggressiveness (draws a ton of fouls), agility and frame which he should be able to add a lot of weight to.

I would be very ok with him at #15 and to be honest, if Neil thinks Zach can't play the 4, I'd be tempted to roll the dice with Diallo over him even if he fell to us. Wings with his combination of tools don't come around very often.
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Hamidou Diallo? The SG. Did I read your thread wrong? Draft Express has him in the second round at 35th. Do you think he is going to climb that high?

He is impressive though. 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan!
 
rotary111 said:
Hamidou Diallo? The SG. Did I read your thread wrong? Draft Express has him in the second round at 35th. Do you think he is going to climb that high?

He is impressive though. 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan!
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Some Mocks have him going much higher. I think that is what the poster was trying to illustrate. NBADraft.net (which was very reliable for quite a while) has him going at #20.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft
 
Sarni said:
But if the team taking him has cap space, they can still take him though, right? Which Philadelphia and I believe also Minnesota have.
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Not enough to accept him in so vastly lopsided a deal. The difference between his incoming/outgoing values is nearly $17M. Sixers only have $9M in cap space left, so there's not a way to make that work. Wolves have over $12M, so it's more feasible, but other players would have to be involved as well, and the amount we take back has to fit into the cap rules as well.
 
I'm one of the first ones on the board that pointed out Zach Collins, now everyone is on the bandwagon.
 
e_blazer said:
But if we'd tanked those last couple of weeks, it would have been between 13 and 20. What a huge lost opportunity.
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I'm having this bad feeling (looking at Draftexpress) that there are gonna be a couple guys at 13 and 14 that we would really have liked.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I'm having this bad feeling (looking at Draftexpress) that there are gonna be a couple guys at 13 and 14 that we would really have liked.
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And you think that if Olshey has his eyes on a player at around that position he can't work a two for one trade of picks?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I'm having this bad feeling (looking at Draftexpress) that there are gonna be a couple guys at 13 and 14 that we would really have liked.
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If there's someone they really want, I'd rather them trade up than lose them a couple picks ahead. I'm sure trading up a couple spots wouldn't be difficult. I like the depth of this draft more than the talent at the top so I'd rather sit still.
 
What if Collins was available at #11 (Charlotte)? Crabbe, Davis, Napier plus #15 for Plumlee, Bellini and Sessions and #11? Actually, that almost seems like we would be taking on too much crap to only trade up 4 spots. Maybe our 20th instead?
 
Well according to draft express there will be numerous "long" centers to choose from to back up Nurk.
What is the consensus? Why is Justin Patton so low? Being so young i would think he would go higher.
I see Ed Davis backing up Nurk next year, and one of these guys the following year.


Allen #17
Patton #19
Hartenstein #22
Jeanne#24
Pacecniks 27
Giles #28
Bam #32
Lessort #34
Thomas Bryant #36
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Well according to draft express there will be numerous "long" centers to choose from to back up Nurk.
What is the consensus? Why is Justin Patton so low? Being so young i would think he would go higher.
I see Ed Davis backing up Nurk next year, and one of these guys the following year.


Allen #17
Patton #19
Hartenstein #22
Jeanne#24
Pacecniks 27
Giles #28
Bam #32
Lessort #34
Thomas Bryant #36
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You missed Anigbogu, currently projected at 15. I'm on record wanting Allen and Bryant (based on his skillset, I see him more as a PF than a C).

I think Patton's low because he's seen as a late bloomer. Like, nobody knew about him until he started playing, whereas most of the guys ahead of him have been scouted for a few years. Suggests to me that perhaps there's even more room for growth, but who knows?
 
I like Ed Davis too. He had a down season, but if he rebounds to previous career norms, he's a very good defender, rebounder and a solid pick-and-roll finisher.
 
Minstrel said:
I like Ed Davis too. He had a down season, but if he rebounds to previous career norms, he's a very good defender, rebounder and a solid pick-and-roll finisher.
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If he can give us a solid 20 mins a night, we'll be good to go.
 
HCP said:
I think Ed will do just fine backing up Nurk. I'm a huge fan of Davis. He'd do better than a rookie right?
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Debatable. The current DE mock doesn't have a single true big selected before the Blazers pick (Maarkanen and Collins don't really play strong down low). If the Blazers take Anigbogu or Jarrett at 15, they're taking (in their mind) the best post player in the draft. Why assume that there isn't a single low post big in the draft that can't outplay a career backup from day 1?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Why assume that there isn't a single low post big in the draft that can't outplay a career backup from day 1?
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I'm not one to go back and compare stats, just my opinion that a solid vet is going to bring more than a rook picked mid first round. Seen too many young guys with "potential" come thru and not pan out. I'll take my chances on a player like Ed.
 
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I think Zach Collins from Zags is a post player. Yes, he can also shoot a mid-range shot, but very limited range IMO.

After him, Anigbogu or Allen are the next real bigs.
Why is no one high on John Collins? Seems like a perfect blend of PF/Stretch4 we've been seeking. Scores and boards! Seems like a nice fit next to Nurk.
 
HCP said:
I'm not one to go back and compare stats, just my opinion that a solid vet is going to bring more than a rook picked mid first round. Seen too many young guys with "potential" come thru and not pan out. I'll take my chances on a player like Ed.
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I like him too, but what happened to him last year concerned me. How does a 27-year-old NBA player suddenly get significantly worse at every aspect of the game? Are we banking on him returning to the form he showed in 2015-16? If he performs like he did last year, we are undoubtedly better off even with a rookie filling his spot.
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
Why is no one high on John Collins? Seems like a perfect blend of PF/Stretch4 we've been seeking. Scores and boards! Seems like a nice fit next to Nurk.
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Can't speak for anyone else, but my view on him--no defense, below average wingspan, and looked mechanical offensively. I question whether he'll be able to score effectively at the NBA level.

620am afternoon host Travis Demers loves him and wants the Blazers to get him at 15, but I'm not a fan.
 
We need 3 legitimate centers on the team, since they tend to get injured. Whether we take one at 15, 20, or 26.....we need one more IMO. Defensively Leonard is not cutting it so dump his 9 million and groom someone else. Ed is great to keep on the team. Good locker room guy and plays hard. But he is not enough.
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
Why is no one high on John Collins? Seems like a perfect blend of PF/Stretch4 we've been seeking. Scores and boards! Seems like a nice fit next to Nurk.
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He does have the top PER in the draft and was the top offensive rebounder. But he scores almost exclusively on postups, which is not what Blazers are looking for, I think. And a really bad defender.
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
I think Zach Collins from Zags is a post player. Yes, he can also shoot a mid-range shot, but very limited range IMO.
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Well I guess that's why opinions are like assholes...

The only reason Collins wasnt a 15+PPG scorer is because Mark Few is a bad basketball coach. Collins was the best big on his roster and he came off the bench most of the season. Not only that, was made to be a traditional PF and bang down low. Which to his credit they were able to exploit to make it to the final four but that is not the sum of his game. He is a PURE shooter from NBA range and beyond and will be the perfect compliment to Nurk. Good timing with help side defense pretty agile for a guy his size moves well and can cover guards on the perimeter. Great attitude, in interviews surrounding the draft handled it all well and looks to be a gym rat team first guy like the rest of our squad. The more I watch the more impressed I become. He is the american Porzingas.

(I was an athlete at Gonzaga I got close with a couple of the basketball players while I was there they HATED few. Said he was a shit coach, from what Ive seen over the years I believe them.)
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Well according to draft express there will be numerous "long" centers to choose from to back up Nurk.
What is the consensus? Why is Justin Patton so low? Being so young i would think he would go higher.
I see Ed Davis backing up Nurk next year, and one of these guys the following year.


Allen #17
Patton #19
Hartenstein #22
Jeanne#24
Pacecniks 27
Giles #28
Bam #32
Lessort #34
Thomas Bryant #36
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Give me Jeanne! Hope he is there at #26 or early second round.
 
I can't help keep going back to this 6'10 225 freshman PF. He will fill the stat sheet playing next to Nurk.

"strongest attributes are his high basketball I.Q. and his motor ... He has also proven to be a clutch player who doesn't get phased by a big moment or crowd ... moves well without the ball allowing him to get high quality shots ... He’s also an excellent and willing passer for his size ... Rarely does he force the issue, and he is almost always under control ... He plays with consistent effort and regularly makes hustle plays, particularly on the offensive glass ... is a terrific rebounder, which has a lot to do with how relentlessly he pursues the ball on both ends of the court ... his size, versatility, feel for the game, and motor make him a prospect with a high floor ...

Weaknesses: The biggest area of concern at this point is he is his lack of strength ... He needs to add leg and core strength to better absorb contact and maintain balance ... The good news is that he is only 19 years old and that there’s plenty of time for his frame to fill out."

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tj-leaf

 
The Pacers should give up on Paul George and trade him to the Lakers for the #2 pick. Why do the Lakers do it? They could risk losing George to the Celtics at the 1 spot and with the team they have returning, Id say they'd have a great shot at keeping him as a FA, but mainly as trade bait and it's an easy cop out for the Lakers if they have any worries about Lavar or Lonzo in LA.
 
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