Merged: Who would you give up for Paul George?

[Minstrel]

I disagree. They're in even worse shape than Portland. They don't have a Damian Lillard who can take over the team. If they don't trade George, he will keep them relevant enough that their pick sucks, and then bail on them at the end of the year, leaving them with a shit pick and no compensation. Can you imagine how bad we would have been if LMA had left and we didn't have Dame?

If the "compensation" being offered amounts to nothing, it's definitely worth it to keep him, IMO. Especially since they can still check in on offers at the deadline and see if they can get something better then, from teams who are contending and think they're a piece away.

They should definitely trade him if they're offered something worthwhile. They should definitely not trade him if they're not offered anything worthwhile.

 

[Natebishop3]

If the "compensation" being offered amounts to nothing, it's definitely worth it to keep him, IMO. Especially since they can still check in on offers at the deadline and see if they can get something better then, from teams who are contending and think they're a piece away.

They should definitely trade him if they're offered something worthwhile. They should definitely not trade him if they're not offered anything worthwhile.

I guess it just depends on what is considered to be "worthwhile."

I vaguely remember KP being too attached to his players when he was here.

 

[Minstrel]

I guess it just depends on what is considered to be "worthwhile."

I vaguely remember KP being too attached to his players when he was here.

Oh? I don't specifically remember him being particularly attached to players, but I may be misremembering. Which players did you think he should have let go/traded that he didn't?

 

[Natebishop3]

Oh? I don't specifically remember him being particularly attached to players, but I may be misremembering. Which players did you think he should have let go/traded that he didn't?

You don't remember "let the cake bake?" It was a pretty famous and annoying phrase that was repeated constantly.

 

[Minstrel]

You don't remember "let the cake bake?" It was a pretty famous and annoying phrase that was repeated constantly.

I remember that, but my recollection was that people disliked that because they wanted high-profile free agents added, while Pritchard was advocating improvement from within. Which players clearly needed to go that Pritchard refused to trade?

 

[oldfisherman]

I remember that, but my recollection was that people disliked that because they wanted high-profile free agents added, while Pritchard was advocating improvement from within. Which players clearly needed to go that Pritchard refused to trade?

Not sure “clearly needed to be traded” is a good qualifier.

Players we could have traded to help land a superstar in a consolidation trade might be a better qualifier.

There was a time when Batum was considered untouchable. Many GMs where calling to make a trade for him. There was a rumor that the Blazers where in the running to land CP3 in a trade. But KP refused to make Batum part of the deal, so deal fell through.

 

[lawai'a]

I remember the raef lafrentz "super" expiring contract trade hype and it never happening meaning a trade.

 

[Minstrel]

Not sure “clearly needed to be traded” is a good qualifier.

Well, the reason I used that as a qualifier is because if you use "hey, this guy COULD have been traded" as the standard, you could argue every GM is too attached to his players, if you wanted to, by pointing at every tradeable player on that GM's roster that isn't/wasn't traded.

IMO, to create a clear pattern of the type Nate Bishop was suggesting, there should be a few cases of players that really should have been traded in a way that was obvious, but Pritchard refused to pull the trigger.

Anyway, it's not a huge deal. It's entirely possible Pritchard has a tough time dealing his own guys. I was just curious if I was forgetting some obvious examples. But I still think it's not worth trading your best player for scraps a year out. Things can change, whether with George's willingness to stay or with offers later on. Even if the chances are low, scraps aren't worth removing even that possibility.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Been hearing this a lot the past couple days. Interesting thought.

 

[RR7]

Been hearing this a lot the past couple days. Interesting thought.

Makes tons of sense for Cleveland. I don't get went indy would want love, personally.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Makes tons of sense for Cleveland. I don't get went indy would want love, personally.

Could be that they think he's still got all-star ability, with 3 more years left on his contract. If they think they're likely to lose George for nothing, 3 years of Kevin Love is not a bad return.

 

[Reep]

Could be that they think he's still got all-star ability, with 3 more years left on his contract. If they think they're likely to lose George for nothing, 3 years of Kevin Love is not a bad return.

3 years while they are rebuilding. If I were them I would rather have our three picks plus a young talent.

 

[Natebishop3]

Been hearing this a lot the past couple days. Interesting thought.

At first I was like...... nah...... but getting Love is better than getting some shitty picks and cap filler.

 

[Sarni]

3 years while they are rebuilding. If I were them I would rather have our three picks plus a young talent.

They'd be three picks but highest would be #15. Love is a certain quality. It's not even like they can get a top 3 pick back for George now, and their young piece to build around is Myles Turner.

 

[BonesJones]

At first I was like...... nah...... but getting Love is better than getting some shitty picks and cap filler.

In a normal draft, these picks would be like having the 7th, 12th, and 18th picks. How is that shitty?

 

[Rhal]

I remember the raef lafrentz "super" expiring contract trade hype and it never happening meaning a trade.

I remember it being talked about that PA didn't want to move Lafrentz contract because he wanted to save money since the team was hemorrhaging money at that point and he was debating selling the team.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Been hearing this a lot the past couple days. Interesting thought.

Love has value, but I'd insist on a 3-team trade to get picks/youngins.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If Cleveland wanted our three picks for Kevin Love, would you do it?

 

[Scalma]

If Cleveland wanted our three picks for Kevin Love, would you do it?

Nope.

 

[PHXBlazer1]

If Cleveland wanted our three picks for Kevin Love, would you do it?

Absolutely not.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

If Cleveland wanted our three picks for Kevin Love, would you do it?

Yes. If they took meyers and someone else

 

[BonesJones]

So if we managed to trade our 3 picks and Turner for George, I think it'd still be a decent trade even if George left because we would get rid of Turner's contract and going into next summer we'd have Crabbe and Leonard's contracts as weights. However, they may play themselves into tradeable positions, and their contracts will be much easier to trade with two-years remaining. It's definitely feasible that we could trade away Crabbe and Leonard for free or only have to attach Harkless or a 1st with both of them. Davis and Aminu won't be hard to trade either.

Therefore, even if George left we could have a great amount of cap room (if we wait on resigning Nurkic till after our summer splash). We would have flexibility to rebound if George departed if we traded Turner to IND in a PG deal.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Nope.

Absolutely not.

Yes. If they took meyers and someone else

Interesting. Is it just because we've all resigned ourselves to the Warriors winning the conference for the next three years? I fail to see how anything else we could reasonably do with those picks would make us better than adding Love at PF would. Seems to me that he is a perfect fit in Stotts' offense.

 

[Natebishop3]

Interesting. Is it just because we've all resigned ourselves to the Warriors winning the conference for the next three years? I fail to see how anything else we could reasonably do with those picks would make us better than adding Love at PF would. Seems to me that he is a perfect fit in Stotts' offense.

I would probably do it. I'm not really a fan of draft picks.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Interesting. Is it just because we've all resigned ourselves to the Warriors winning the conference for the next three years? I fail to see how anything else we could reasonably do with those picks would make us better than adding Love at PF would. Seems to me that he is a perfect fit in Stotts' offense.

I mean, i would do it. I would prefer leonard to go, they like bigs that can shoot, and you'd have to add another decently paid guy to make it work. I would probably do it if they wanted turner (dont see why they would) or crabbe too.

Love is an all star. Doubt we get one of those with using our picks. Not likely anytime soon anyways. And pf is definitely our weakest spot. Love just sucks at defense. But he seems to be open to playing for his hometown team and dude is talented. So i would like to see him in a blazers uniform at some point.

 

[PHXBlazer1]

Interesting. Is it just because we've all resigned ourselves to the Warriors winning the conference for the next three years? I fail to see how anything else we could reasonably do with those picks would make us better than adding Love at PF would. Seems to me that he is a perfect fit in Stotts' offense.

I dont think Love does anything to help get us closer, just not a fan of his game.

 

[Boob-No-More]

So if we managed to trade our 3 picks and Turner for George

Indiana doesn't want Evan Turner. He was a disaster in IND. They traded Danny Granger for him and he was such a horrible fit they let him walk for nothing after 27 games. They could have re-signed him for $3.3 million at the time, but chose not to. To take him back now, now that he's making $17 million a year, as part of a package for their franchise player would make them look monumentally incompetent.

Make it our three first round picks, our lottery protected 2019 pick and Crabbe and they might think about it. Mention Evan Turner's name and they hang up.

BNM

 

[SwissBlazer]

Indiana doesn't want Evan Turner. He was a disaster in IND. They traded Danny Granger for him and he was such a horrible fit they let him walk for nothing after 27 games. They could have re-signed him for $3.3 million at the time, but chose not to. To take him back now, now that he's making $17 million a year, as part of a package for their franchise player would make them look monumentally incompetent.

Make it our three first round picks, our lottery protected 2019 pick and Crabbe and they might think about it. Mention Evan Turner's name and they hang up.

BNM

We may have to add Harkless as well. Young, good and long contract.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Of course Kevin Love would be an instant upgrade for us at PF, it's our weakest position, but no way in hell do I trade three first round picks in a very deep draft for him.

He'll be 29 by the start of training camp. He does nothing to help us catch the Warriors on the way down. He's the same age as Durant and Curry. Trading three first round picks for Kevin Love does not expand our window, it makes it narrower.

With the highest scoring, worst defending backcourt in the league, the last thing we need is another 1-way player who does not play defense. As long as we're rolling with Dame and C.J. in the backcourt, we NEED 2-way players at the forward positions. Kevin Love is NOT a 2-way player. Adding Kevin Love to our current roster makes us HOU. We'd win more regular season games, but would still get rolled over in the playoffs.

We may not get a Kevin Love level offensive talent with one of our three first round picks, but we'll likely get three better defenders. If one of those three also becomes at least average offensively, we'll come out ahead - and MUCH younger.

Trading our picks for Paul George makes sense. PG13 is a 2-way player and a great wing defender. He is one of the few players in the league capable of doing a credible job defending LeBron James and Kevin Durant. He's also good enough offensively to make them work at the other end. He's also the same age as our current franchise player.

Trading our picks for Paul George makes sense. Trading our picks for Kevin Love does not.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

We may have to add Harkless as well. Young, good and long contract.

I'd do that in a heartbeat. Adding a four time all star, four time all defensive team small forward makes Harkless totally expendable.

BNM