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Scalma said:
Why? Vonleh is perfect in that lineup. Just rebound and play defense. Bosh would cost more than the MLE anyway. George also plays very well as a small ball four. I'd be looking to sign a shooter, maybe a veteran from Europe. We will have to get creative.
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Trade Aminu and/or Davis for second round picks and draft Semi Ojeleye or Jonah Bolden to play stretch 4.
 
I know people mentioned Crabbe but I think a better prospect for Indiana would be Harkless + another player. You get a good, all-rounded player who is just 24 and could still improve, on 3 more years of a good contract. That plus three picks is the best offer they are going to get, Boston are the only remaining probable destination and their picks are too high for them to offer them (both 2017 and 2018 Brooklyn) and their players do not have that much of an upside to compensate. Maybe a package of Crowder, Smart and Jaylen Brown but they won't even offer that. I'm pretty convinced Ainge won't even enter the conversation before draft because he will be hoping for Hayward.

I reckon they might actually prefer us to include 2018 or 2019 pick instead of #26 this year. They already have 1 pick in late top 20 this year, they don't need all 4. But on the other hand they could probably flip Cleveland pick plus their pick for something around 11-12. They'd be drafting at #12, #15 and #20. Imagine if they manage to get Zach Collins, Justin Jackson/OG Anonuby and another player like Terrance Ferguson with that. It's completely realistic and if you added that to Myles Turner, it's an exciting young core.
 
Dear Aaron Mintz, NBA Agent,
We fans of the Blazers have a proposition for you. We truly feel it would be a win-win-win-win-win for all parties. First, a little history:

We agreed to give $$$$$ to your Crabbe and Leonard (clients) last offseason. A majority of us believe that hasn't worked out for the team and especially the fans. It's true, we've lost confidence in Meyers and AC. We also believe that sometimes a change of environment can spur a player's development in a positive way. We want to give them that opportunity. We don't dislike them as people and we will root for their continued success. Now, with regard to the proposition:

If you can convince the Pacers to take your clients, the valued Mo Harkless, our 2 highest draft picks this
year, in addition to our 2019 1st rounder for Paul George (we will also agree to take your rookie client Jordan Bell in the first round giving him a guaranteed contract) a few things happen: Your clients get a chance to play extended minutes. Jordan Bell gets a guaranteed contract. Paul George gets a chance to make us a contender.

Again, we feel this is a win-win-win-win-win for all of your clients, you, The Pacers and The Blazers and we fans!

Sincerely,
The Blazers Fans of S2.

FTFY @Wizard Mentor
 
Scalma said:
Why? Vonleh is perfect in that lineup. Just rebound and play defense. Bosh would cost more than the MLE anyway. George also plays very well as a small ball four. I'd be looking to sign a shooter, maybe a veteran from Europe. We will have to get creative.
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Would rather have someone who's better to more competitive right away. Amir Johnson or Kyle O'Quinn would be perfect. I disagree about Bosh, he's been out so long that I think he won't make more than the MLE. Bosh would be the perfect stretch 4 to have, would provide veteran leadership and championship experience.

If we still had Vonleh, then Bosh would be a perfect offensive big man option off the bench.
 
Sarni said:
I know people mentioned Crabbe but I think a better prospect for Indiana would be Harkless + another player. You get a good, all-rounded player who is just 24 and could still improve, on 3 more years of a good contract. That plus three picks is the best offer they are going to get, Boston are the only remaining probable destination and their picks are too high for them to offer them (both 2017 and 2018 Brooklyn) and their players do not have that much of an upside to compensate. Maybe a package of Crowder, Smart and Jaylen Brown but they won't even offer that. I'm pretty convinced Ainge won't even enter the conversation before draft because he will be hoping for Hayward.

I reckon they might actually prefer us to include 2018 or 2019 pick instead of #26 this year. They already have 1 pick in late top 20 this year, they don't need all 4. But on the other hand they could probably flip Cleveland pick plus their pick for something around 11-12. They'd be drafting at #12, #15 and #20. Imagine if they manage to get Zach Collins, Justin Jackson/OG Anonuby and another player like Terrance Ferguson with that. It's completely realistic and if you added that to Myles Turner, it's an exciting young core.
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If we land PG, I honestly think that we'll trade:
Harkless, Vonleh, Leonard, Ezeli ($28M outgoing) and 15, 20, and 26
for Paul George and Thad Young ($32M incoming)
--I think that they'll really value Vonleh. He played college ball in Indiana and would be a good fit next to Turner. I think they'd value Moe more than Crabbe at this point.
We'd shed Leonards bad contract, which would be a good thing.

Our payroll for next year would be projected at $145M. (Yikes).
-I think we'd try to trade Crabbe and a future 2nd to NYK, getting back Kyle O'Quinn and Lance Thomas. That would bring our payroll down to $136M.
-We'd need a backup replacement for Crabbe, who could be someone like Sefelosha. We'd have 3 PFs in Aminu, Davis, and Young, and we could trade Davis or Aminu for a 2nd round pick or a backup SF, bringing our payroll down to $130M.
One option could be Aminu/Lottery Protected Future 1st to ORL for Portland native Terrence Ross.

A better option would be to flip Thad Young (and maybe a future 1st) to Boston for Jae Crowder after they sign Hayward.
They'd have Jaylen Brown as their backup SF, with Hayward starting. They'd need a PF to fill out their lineup, and Young would be a great option. It would also lower our payroll to $128M. Our bench would be strong and great defensively with Turner, Crowder, Aminu/Davis, and O'Quinn.
 
What's the chances of us getting PG? I peg them at 33% (1 in 3). I like those chances!
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
Lol more like 5%.... what makes you think its 33%?
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Because:
1.) If we land him we'll be able to contend and likely keep him.
2.) We have three 1st round picks in a deep draft.
3.) Our 15th pick is the highest they could fetch because all teams above us in the draft aren't good enough to contend if they land him, and therefore won't be able to keep him. (Except for BOS, but...)
4.) BOS won't offer a BKN pick or #1 for him.
5.) LAL will hold off and hope to land him in free agency.
6.) Pritchard trades him thinking he goes to LAL in free agency, would love to see us lose him while taking our assets.
7.) Vonleh is a good fit next to Turner and IND will value him. (Vonleh went to college there).
8.) Pritchard loves the draft and is now President of Basketball Operations.
 
Denver could arguably contend with George, has higher pick than us, and between Barton, Murray, Mudiay, Harris, Hernangomez, and Beasley, they have a significantly more attractive group of young assets than we do.
 
I think Miami is the most likely. 14th + Winslow + Johnson > Crabbe + 3 1sts
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
I think Miami is the most likely. 14th + Winslow + Johnson > Crabbe + 3 1sts
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How?

Winslow isn't good at all. His TS% last year was under 40%. That's horrible. Yes, he's young, and yes, he's a pretty solid defender, but those types never amount to much. He's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist at best. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson is more likely.

Johnson is a decent player but he'll be making $19M a year after next year. He's not much better than Crabbe.

So lets look at this: 14th and 15th are even.
I think we'd trade Harkless + Vonleh + Filler.
Harkless + Vonleh = $12M a year.
After next year, Johnson + Winslow = $24M per year.

Harkless is better than Winslow, and has two-way potential (and is already somewhat serviceable on both ends) which Winslow doesn't. Winslow has also already had injury issues.
Vonleh is more valuable to IND than Johnson, because he's 21, much cheaper, and a good fit next to Turner.

Then you toss in the 20th and 26th picks and that becomes the tipping point for us.

I think there's a 50% chance he's traded, with us having the edge.
 
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BonesJones said:
If we land PG, I honestly think that we'll trade:
Harkless, Vonleh, Leonard, Ezeli ($28M outgoing) and 15, 20, and 26
for Paul George and Thad Young ($32M incoming)
--I think that they'll really value Vonleh. He played college ball in Indiana and would be a good fit next to Turner. I think they'd value Moe more than Crabbe at this point.
We'd shed Leonards bad contract, which would be a good thing.

Our payroll for next year would be projected at $145M. (Yikes).
-I think we'd try to trade Crabbe and a future 2nd to NYK, getting back Kyle O'Quinn and Lance Thomas. That would bring our payroll down to $136M.
-We'd need a backup replacement for Crabbe, who could be someone like Sefelosha. We'd have 3 PFs in Aminu, Davis, and Young, and we could trade Davis or Aminu for a 2nd round pick or a backup SF, bringing our payroll down to $130M.
One option could be Aminu/Lottery Protected Future 1st to ORL for Portland native Terrence Ross.

A better option would be to flip Thad Young (and maybe a future 1st) to Boston for Jae Crowder after they sign Hayward.
They'd have Jaylen Brown as their backup SF, with Hayward starting. They'd need a PF to fill out their lineup, and Young would be a great option. It would also lower our payroll to $128M. Our bench would be strong and great defensively with Turner, Crowder, Aminu/Davis, and O'Quinn.
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I don't think they will trade Young to us. He is still an asset that could be used in another trade. They will want to send Ellis or Jefferson. If we have to take one of them and also give up two young assets in Vonleh and Harkless, then I don't think we have to give them all three picks, especially since we need one to replace Vonleh.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Denver could arguably contend with George, has higher pick than us, and between Barton, Murray, Mudiay, Harris, Hernangomez, and Beasley, they have a significantly more attractive group of young assets than we do.
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DEN is the only team I'd be worried about. However, I don't think Barton or Beasley will be of much value to IND.
Mudiay has been a downright awful NBA player. His ceiling is Ricky Rubio. I don't think IND will value him either.

Harris, Murray, Hernangomez, and 13 is a good offer, but doesn't make much sense for DEN, and is giving up a lot. Harris is the most underrated SG in the league, and I think they really value him. They'd have to give up Harris, Murray, 13, and a future 1st to top our offer of 15, 20, 26, Vonleh, and Harkless, and that's if they really think they can resign him.

I could easily Even if they sign Holiday, could they really contend with Holiday/George/Chandler/Faried/Jokic?
They have 1 all-star player, and that seems a lot like the position George was in last year. Teague is better than Holiday, Jokic and Turner are equal talents, and Faried isn't any better than Young. George would be their only all-star level player.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I don't think they will trade Young to us. He is still an asset that could be used in another trade. They will want to send Ellis or Jefferson. If we have to take one of them and also give up two young assets in Vonleh and Harkless, then I don't think we have to give them all three picks, especially since we need one to replace Vonleh.
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Trading Young essentially gets them Vonleh. They'd do that swap IMO. Trading Ellis and PG for Vonleh, Harkless, and 3 First Round Picks is actually not a good enough deal on our part.
 
BonesJones said:
DEN is the only team I'd be worried about. However, I don't think Barton or Beasley will be of much value to IND.
Mudiay has been a downright awful NBA player. His ceiling is Ricky Rubio. I don't think IND will value him either.

Harris, Murray, Hernangomez, and 13 is a good offer, but doesn't make much sense for DEN, and is giving up a lot. Harris is the most underrated SG in the league, and I think they really value him. They'd have to give up Harris, Murray, 13, and a future 1st to top our offer of 15, 20, 26, Vonleh, and Harkless, and that's if they really think they can resign him.

I could easily Even if they sign Holiday, could they really contend with Holiday/George/Chandler/Faried/Jokic?
They have 1 all-star player, and that seems a lot like the position George was in last year. Teague is better than Holiday, Jokic and Turner are equal talents, and Faried isn't any better than Young. George would be their only all-star level player.
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I love your enthusiasm and your 33% chance estimate to land George. One minor quip, I wouldn't call Turner and Jokic equal talents. You really don't think Indiana would take .00000000001 of a second to say yes to a Jokic for Turner straight up trade?
 
If we don't trade for PG I will be pretty disappointed, unless we land a couple pieces like Crowder and Thad Young.

We've haven't added an all-star in the off-season since (Scottie Pippen?). Olshey did some magic in LAC landing Chris Paul. He's done this type of thing before. He has the assets. It's time for him to take a swing instead of messing around with Aminu/Turner/Crabbe level players.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Denver could arguably contend with George, has higher pick than us, and between Barton, Murray, Mudiay, Harris, Hernangomez, and Beasley, they have a significantly more attractive group of young assets than we do.
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I don't think there is a chance in hell the Nugz trade Harris or Murray in a deal for PG. They are really high on both and even with PG they are likely the 4th best in the west. I agree that they would have more to offer but I think they are pretty dead set on building around those young guys. Barton is no longer that appealing and Mudiay has been dreadful offensively. Beasley and Hernangomez aren't someone you look to start a rebuild with either.

The more I look into it the more I think of the teams willing to trade fo PG we have the most to offer with the best chance of contending with him on the roster. Should be interesting.
 
Out of all the trade parts, I keep Vonleh. He is a different piece than the rest because the Blazers don't have anyone else like him. Plenty of wings and shooting guards but Vonleh ended up being in the top 1/3 of PF's in the league in Rebounds per minutes played. He's still raw but fits very well with Nurkic and since he doesn't need the ball, he fits very well as a rebounder, screener and is the best big on the roster in switching out onto the perimeter on defense.
 
theprunetang said:
I love your enthusiasm and your 33% chance estimate to land George. One minor quip, I wouldn't call Turner and Jokic equal talents. You really don't think Indiana would take .00000000001 of a second to say yes to a Jokic for Turner straight up trade?
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Jokic is slightly better, but he hasn't proven he's an all-star level player yet. He had a spurt of greatness last season, but is it sustainable? Turner is the better defender, and has shown he has the tools to develop into a 20 and 10 guy offensively. He hasn't had anything ran through him, while Jokic became the center point of DENs offense last season. Make Turner the focal point offensively and I think he's about as good as Jokic.
 
BonesJones said:
Trading Young essentially gets them Vonleh. They'd do that swap IMO. Trading Ellis and PG for Vonleh, Harkless, and 3 First Round Picks is actually not a good enough deal on our part.
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Unless they think they can get something better than the 26th pick from another club for Young, AND it's important for them to get Ellis or Jefferson off the books.
 
TBpup said:
Out of all the trade parts, I keep Vonleh. He is a different piece than the rest because the Blazers don't have anyone else like him. Plenty of wings and shooting guards but Vonleh ended up being in the top 1/3 of PF's in the league in Rebounds per minutes played. He's still raw but fits very well with Nurkic and since he doesn't need the ball, he fits very well as a rebounder, screener and is the best big on the roster in switching out onto the perimeter on defense.
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You keep him if possible, but I honestly think IND will value Vonleh as much as the 15th overall draft pick. Vonleh and Turner are the same age (21), and both are good defenders capable of guarding 4s and 5s. Both have potential to be decent-good 3pt shooters, and both have budding low post games. I think IND would want Vonleh and Turner as a frontcourt going forward, giving them 6 years to grow together before they hit their primes, and a duo that compliments each other very well. Vonleh would be comfortable playing there, and I do think that him playing in Indiana in college matters a little bit. I think they'd use the picks on exciting young talent, and then sign Yogi Ferrell to see what he could do over a full season as a starting PG. The team would be bad (which is good for them, because they'd land a high pick next year), but I think they'd still sell tickets anyway because of Turner, their rookies, and the Indiana University duo of Vonleh and Ferrell.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Unless they think they can get something better than the 26th pick from another club for Young, AND it's important for them to get Ellis or Jefferson off the books.
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The teams that would trade higher pick for Young would have to match salary with a bad contract, so I don't think it'd be a more valuable offer. I think that we'd be in enough control of the situation to convince them to fork over Young in a deal, especially if we trade them Moe, Vonleh, Leonard, Ezeli, and 3 future 1sts. They'd save $10M and gain 5 young assets in Moe, Vonleh, and picks, and would be able to take a flyer on Leonard backing up Turner. Leonard is from the area, so he would be more comfortable.
 
Last year I had a feeling we'd land a big time free agent. I was wrong.

This year I have an even stronger feeling we'll land Paul George, and I'm more confident in that feeling because Neil is in more control of the situation, and is much better at convincing another GM to a trade than he is of convincing a free agent to come to a city he doesn't truly like.
 
BonesJones said:
Last year I had a feeling we'd land a big time free agent. I was wrong.

This year I have an even stronger feeling we'll land Paul George, and I'm more confident in that feeling because Neil is in more control of the situation, and is much better at convincing another GM to a trade than he is of convincing a free agent to come to a city he doesn't truly like.
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as stated earlier by other posters I like the odds cause of contracts handed out by NO to PG13's agent's other clients
 
Scalma said:
That lineup is a goddamn murder.
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as would be our bench?
BonesJones said:
Last year I had a feeling we'd land a big time free agent. I was wrong.

This year I have an even stronger feeling we'll land Paul George, and I'm more confident in that feeling because Neil is in more control of the situation, and is much better at convincing another GM to a trade than he is of convincing a free agent to come to a city he doesn't truly like.
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+1 for your optimism, however in reality I think we have little chance
 
Paul George makes us the 2nd best team in the west and probably the 3rd best team in the NBA (if the Celtics dont add Hayward).

.........It'll never happen
 
BonesJones said:
Because:
1.) If we land him we'll be able to contend and likely keep him.
2.) We have three 1st round picks in a deep draft.
3.) Our 15th pick is the highest they could fetch because all teams above us in the draft aren't good enough to contend if they land him, and therefore won't be able to keep him. (Except for BOS, but...)
4.) BOS won't offer a BKN pick or #1 for him.
5.) LAL will hold off and hope to land him in free agency.
6.) Pritchard trades him thinking he goes to LAL in free agency, would love to see us lose him while taking our assets.
7.) Vonleh is a good fit next to Turner and IND will value him. (Vonleh went to college there).
8.) Pritchard loves the draft and is now President of Basketball Operations.
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also, Turner is 21, so...
Turner (21)/Vonleh (21!)/Harkless (24)/Crabbe (25)/4 1st rounder draft picks would be a very reasonable young team with a lot of potential.
 
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