Merged: Who would you give up for Paul George?

[AFully22]

I think the one thing that would keep us from taking a shot at PG is if Neil doesn't think we can clear the books enough to offer a competitive contract in the following years free agency while also keeping Nurk. You have to be able to resign Nurkić to convince PG we would be real contenders and if Nurk plays like he did for the last 20 games all next year he is going to command near max money as well.

GSW roster required the perfect storm to be able to sign their 4 guys and we don't have the luxury of having our best player signed to a ridiculously cheap contract.

 

[Scalma]

I think the one thing that would keep us from taking a shot at PG is if Neil doesn't think we can clear the books enough to offer a competitive contract in the following years free agency while also keeping Nurk. You have to be able to resign Nurkić to convince PG we would be real contenders and if Nurk plays like he did for the last 20 games all next year he is going to command near max money as well.

GSW roster required the perfect storm to be able to sign their 4 guys and we don't have the luxury of having our best player signed to a ridiculously cheap contract.

We can go over the cap to re-sign Nurkic. Are you worried about luxury tax? Don't. Allen will have no problem paying it if the team is an actual contender. And we'd have to match salaries for George anyway.

 

[AFully22]

We can go over the cap to re-sign Nurkic. Are you worried about luxury tax? Don't. Allen will have no problem paying it if the team is an actual contender. And we'd have to match salaries for George anyway.

That's what I figured. I know the luxury tax is estimated to go up to 124 million by 2018 so that gives us some breathing room. If we moved Leonard and Turner we should be able to offer him a max still. Small contracts like Aminu and Davis also come off the books to give us some room. Hopefully we could send Crabbe in the Indy deal as well and kill two birds with one stone in terms of making room to resign PG while keeping Nurk.

 

[RR7]

Instead ood 3 picks this great, keep 26, give them our next year's pick, unprotected. Leonard, harkless, Napier or connaughton, 15, 20, 2018 unprotected.

I'm sure someone "could" beat that. It's just whether they're willing to risk George leaving.

 

[Scalma]

Interesting outside perspective. I don't think it'd take all three picks either, but I'd totally offer it if need be.

 

[Scalma]

Man if I'm Pritchard I'd be intrigued with the possibility of having three picks in the top 20 in this years class (15,18,20.) Three or four picks this year puts you in a good position to quickly rebuild your team. That's way more intriguing to me than a future pick that has way too many variables.

Then you add a young shooter with an upside like Crabbe, which aren't easy to find either. That's something you can sell to your fanbase.

 

[lawai'a]

problem with crabbe scenarios is he cannot be traded till after freeagency begins well after our 3 picks have been taken

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

problem with crabbe scenarios is he cannot be traded till after freeagency begins well after our 3 picks have been taken

You can agree to trade before hand. Have seen it before.

 

[Scalma]

You can agree to trade before hand. Have seen it before.

Isn't that what happened with the love/Wiggins trade?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Isn't that what happened with the love/Wiggins trade?

You can trade the draft pick even after you have drafted them if you havent signed them yet. Thats what happened with wiggins.

 

[lawai'a]

so you agree to the trade and draft for Indiana hoping ainge doesn't lose out on Hayward and "trump" your offer? pretty sure wiggins was consensus pick and wasn't culminated till august if I remember? been wrong before

 

[lawai'a]

philidelphia was sure of a trade for okafor that never happened recently

 

[BonesJones]

problem with crabbe scenarios is he cannot be traded till after freeagency begins well after our 3 picks have been taken

False.

We can't trade Crabbe to BKN until a year after the offer sheet was matched.

We can trade him anywhere else whenever, and could have done so on January 15th.

 

[lawai'a]

False.

We can't trade Crabbe to BKN until a yeast after the offer sheet was matched.

We can trade him anywhere else whenever, and could have done so on January 15th.

ok thanks

 

[dviss1]

Denver could arguably contend with George, has higher pick than us, and between Barton, Murray, Mudiay, Harris, Hernangomez, and Beasley, they have a significantly more attractive group of young assets than we do.

Lol Muiday <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Dame.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Lol Muiday <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Dame.

Uh...obviously. I was listing guys they might conceivably trade, not guys that would unquestionably remain part of the squad after a PG deal.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

False.

We can't trade Crabbe to BKN until a year after the offer sheet was matched.

We can trade him anywhere else whenever, and could have done so on January 15th.

Only with his approval until July 10th.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Only with his approval until July 10th.

With a 15% trade kicker and a likely opportunity to start, I'm sure he'd approve.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Uh...obviously. I was listing guys they might conceivably trade, not guys that would unquestionably remain part of the squad after a PG deal.

Still, why would Mudiay have any positive trade value? They handed him the starting PG role and desperately wanted him to be their PGOTF. Then he lost his starting job to the much older, much slower, much shorter Jameer Nelson. Seriously if you're an NBA player and you lose your job to a 35-year old 5'10" fatty, you have pretty much zero trade value.

BNM

 

[KeepOnRollin]

With a 15% trade kicker and a likely opportunity to start, I'm sure he'd approve.

Probably but without that conversation already having happened (if it indeed hasn't) then I don't think it is fair to assume one way or another.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Probably but without that conversation already having happened (if it indeed hasn't) then I don't think it is fair to assume one way or another.

That 15% trade kicker represents a bonus of nearly $10 million ($9,975,000) . People questioned Harkless refusing to attempt a 3-pointer in the last three games to collect his half a million bonus. Do you really think Crabbe would leave nearly $10 million on the table? And really, by refusing a draft day trade, he'd just be postponing the inevitable. Come July 10, we can trade him anywhere we want without his permission.

BNM

 

[KeepOnRollin]

That 15% trade kicker represents a bonus of nearly $10 million ($9,975,000) . People questioned Harkless refusing to attempt a 3-pointer in the last three games to collect his half a million bonus. Do you really think Crabbe would leave nearly $10 million on the table? And really, by refusing a draft day trade, he'd just be postponing the inevitable. Come July 10, we can trade him anywhere we want without his permission.

BNM

I not going to pretend that I know Crabbe well enough to know whether he would leave that much money on the table or not. Especially when he is already making an obscene amount of money. Some players truly do like it here and wouldn't want to go to Chicago (as an example) and deal with the cold even for more money.

I will leave it all up to you all to speculate.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I not going to pretend that I know Crabbe well enough to know whether he would leave that much money on the table or not. Especially when he is already making an obscene amount of money. Some players truly do like it here and wouldn't want to go to Chicago (as an example) and deal with the cold even for more money.

I will leave it all up to you all to speculate.

So, he nixes a deal to go to IND on June 22 for Paul George just so we can turn around and trade him to MIN, BRK or wherever the fuck we want on July 10? And trust me, if he invoked his no-trade clause to block a Paul George to POR trade, his days here would be numbered. He'd be gone by the start of training camp.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

So when is this happening? Lol.

 

[BBert]

So, he nixes a deal to go to IND on June 22 for Paul George just so we can turn around and trade him to MIN, BRK or wherever the fuck we want on July 10? And trust me, if he invoked his no-trade clause to block a Paul George to POR trade, his days here would be numbered. He'd be gone by the start of training camp.

BNM

To Siberia

Might be the first time I booed a Blazer, LOL

 

[BonesJones]

To Siberia

Might be the first time I booed a Blazer, LOL

For real. NO decided to pay him $18M a year. If Crabbe repayed him by delaying an inevitable trade and turned down money and a better situation, man...

 

[Boob-No-More]

To Siberia

Might be the first time I booed a Blazer, LOL

I know, right?

How stupid would Allen Crabbe have to be to think his teammates wouldn't resent him and the hometown fans not boo him if he killed a PG13 to POR trade?

Think about, it. Dame, C.J. and Nurk all want to win. Adding PG13 gets them much closer, much sooner than any other realistic option. You don't think they would be pissed at Crabbe if he cock blocked their chance at being contenders? If he blocked that trade (assuming it's even possible), he would almost single-handedly kill any chance Dame or C.J. have to play for a contender during the prime of their careers.

Given the choice, he'd be very wise to take the extra $10 million and leave on good terms than to become despised by his teammates and the fans. Hell, he was willing to go to BRK last summer. He wouldn't have signed that offer sheet if he wasn't willing to play for them. If he's willing to play for BRK, why wouldn't he be willing to play for IND? Especially when it makes him $10 million richer?

BNM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

If I'm Indy, I want:
3 picks, Vonleh, Harkless

If I'm Portland, I want:
PG, trade the contract of Crabbe and/or Biebs.

So, with these conditions a trade might look like:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=le3pbc9
with #15, #20, and a lottery protected 2019 1st rounder.

We also get a little cap relief.

#26 we draft Bell to make Bell, PG13's agent, and MM happy

 

[lawai'a]

I know, right?

How stupid would Allen Crabbe have to be to think his teammates wouldn't resent him and the hometown fans not boo him if he killed a PG13 to POR trade?

Think about, it. Dame, C.J. and Nurk all want to win. Adding PG13 gets them much closer, much sooner than any other realistic option. You don't think they would be pissed at Crabbe if he cock blocked their chance at being contenders? If he blocked that trade (assuming it's even possible), he would almost single-handedly kill any chance Dame or C.J. have to play for a contender during the prime of their careers.

Given the choice, he'd be very wise to take the extra $10 million and leave on good terms than to become despised by his teammates and the fans. Hell, he was willing to go to BRK last summer. He wouldn't have signed that offer sheet if he wasn't willing to play for them. If he's willing to play for BRK, why wouldn't he be willing to play for IND? Especially when it makes him $10 million richer?

BNM

I also remember an interview before training camp where he talked about being enamored with how he would have had a larger role in the Brooklyn offense and the starting role there

 

[BonesJones]

If I'm Indy, I want:
3 picks, Vonleh, Harkless

If I'm Portland, I want:
PG, trade the contract of Crabbe and/or Biebs.

So, with these conditions a trade might look like:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=le3pbc9
with #15, #20, and a lottery protected 2019 1st rounder.

We also get a little cap relief.

#26 we draft Bell to make Bell, PG13's agent, and MM happy

Here's what I think it'd look like: (Send them 15, 20, 26).