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What does opening day rotation look like thus far? Tanaka, Pineda, CC....and? Eovaldi and then a platoon (that includes Crapuano) until Nova comes back?

Sorry, they can't be out of the Scherzer sweepstakes.
 
Leaving money/years out of the equation.....who do you want, Scherzer or Shields?
 
...for me, it's Scherzer, and it's not even close.

...I've always liked Shields, but he's older and has thrown a ton of pitches. I wouldn't be disappointed if the Yanx signed him instead of Max but I really see Shields as more of a #2 than and ace. Again, he's a good pitcher, but he's no Max Scherzer.
 
OK, apparently the Yanks have told Adam Warren to come to ST and prepare to compete for a starting rotation spot. And its speculated they said the same to Esmil Rodgers. (From RAB). http://riveraveblues.com/2015/01/bullpen-depth-lead-adam-warren-working-starter-2015-112533/

So if the strategy is to stockpile lively young arms, then its possible that the Yanks sit out the FA starter situation. Hope for the best in April/May/June and have trade chips in July if contending. Changing mindset from the last 20 years, its not a given the Yanks actually expect to contend in 2015....could be back building waiting for Tex, Beltran and ARod to be off the books.
 
... if Boras can't bend the Yanx over for a lot more money, I think Scherzer resigns with Detroit.
 
yankeesince59 said:
... if Boras can't bend the Yanx over for a lot more money, I think Scherzer resigns with Detroit.
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That does seem to be how this is playing out. You figure this wraps up by the 15th? or longer?
 
totus44 said:
OK, apparently the Yanks have told Adam Warren to come to ST and prepare to compete for a starting rotation spot. And its speculated they said the same to Esmil Rodgers. (From RAB). http://riveraveblues.com/2015/01/bullpen-depth-lead-adam-warren-working-starter-2015-112533/

So if the strategy is to stockpile lively young arms, then its possible that the Yanks sit out the FA starter situation. Hope for the best in April/May/June and have trade chips in July if contending. Changing mindset from the last 20 years, its not a given the Yanks actually expect to contend in 2015....could be back building waiting for Tex, Beltran and ARod to be off the books.
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Warren is probably better suited being a SP.......as of now, he's a capable 6th-7th inn guy and I don't trust him in a close game after that...and I think the yankees agree.
 
totus44 said:
OK, apparently the Yanks have told Adam Warren to come to ST and prepare to compete for a starting rotation spot. And its speculated they said the same to Esmil Rodgers. (From RAB). http://riveraveblues.com/2015/01/bullpen-depth-lead-adam-warren-working-starter-2015-112533/

So if the strategy is to stockpile lively young arms, then its possible that the Yanks sit out the FA starter situation. Hope for the best in April/May/June and have trade chips in July if contending. Changing mindset from the last 20 years, its not a given the Yanks actually expect to contend in 2015....could be back building waiting for Tex, Beltran and ARod to be off the books.
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Ya' know- (scratching head).....it IS beginning to look that way....!

On the flip side, I'd like to see BOTH Max and Price, nail down 1, 2 and 3, counting Masahiro. The best of both worlds, a Southpaw, and a righty with good enough stuff to keep LH'd hitting off the bases.
 
Can't go in with the current rotation. If somebody gets hurt it's a complete joke.
 
Messiah717 said:
Can't go in with the current rotation. If somebody gets hurt it's a complete joke.
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I also feel with the current rotation, without committing genocide for a starting 5.

Tanaka should do fine.

C.C. I expect to be the same CC from last yr. I'd love to be proven wrong tho'.

Pineda, Nova, I got a feeling neither will survive a full year, without DL time.

Cappy, earned the name Crapuano when the Bums refused his services. He's not even fit for a 6th starter, a RP either. Still trying to figure out what a finesse pitcher means. I doubt he'll find the Greg Madduz school of pitching, for southpaws, either, not in this life or next.

Not good when your looking at wiping out Tex, A-Roid, Beltran. I also doubt either of these 3 will be effective. Carlos may if he can only stay healthy, yet I"m beginning to doubt that too.

I don't like this un-easy feeling this close to reporting to ST. In too many past decades, the Yanks only dilemma was like the Bums OF one last year. Too much talented SP's, or is there such a thing?
 
Messiah717 said:
Can't go in with the current rotation. If somebody gets hurt it's a complete joke.
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We said that last year. My concern is that Cashman thinks he skillfully built a rotation last year and doesn't realize how lucky he got. Although given that McCarthy, Kuroda, Phelps and Greene are gone....maybe he's learned the "lightning in a bottle" lesson?

Thus far 2015 is shaping up to be a development year....
 
Mattingly23NY said:
I also feel with the current rotation, without committing genocide for a starting 5.

Tanaka should do fine.

C.C. I expect to be the same CC from last yr. I'd love to be proven wrong tho'.

Pineda, Nova, I got a feeling neither will survive a full year, without DL time.

Cappy, earned the name Crapuano when the Bums refused his services. He's not even fit for a 6th starter, a RP either. Still trying to figure out what a finesse pitcher means. I doubt he'll find the Greg Madduz school of pitching, for southpaws, either, not in this life or next.

Not good when your looking at wiping out Tex, A-Roid, Beltran. I also doubt either of these 3 will be effective. Carlos may if he can only stay healthy, yet I"m beginning to doubt that too.

I don't like this un-easy feeling this close to reporting to ST. In too many past decades, the Yanks only dilemma was like the Bums OF one last year. Too much talented SP's, or is there such a thing?[/QUOTE

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CC is still a big wildcard in the Yankee rotation. I'm not going to bet on it but his arm/knee should be healed.....he didn't have reconstruction or Tommy John surgery.
I think it's reasonable to expect him (with a 90 mph, good changeup and breaking ball) to be at least a solid #3or4 SP. I know this isn't what he was signed up as....but maybe the Yanks can get something more out of him. Just maybe he'll give us close to what Kuroda provided.

I see no reason why CC can't bounce back and become at least a "good" SP. We'll see.
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totus44 said:
We said that last year. My concern is that Cashman thinks he skillfully built a rotation last year and doesn't realize how lucky he got. Although given that McCarthy, Kuroda, Phelps and Greene are gone....maybe he's learned the "lightning in a bottle" lesson?

Thus far 2015 is shaping up to be a development year....[/QUOTE


Right now, I'm putting the Yankees down for approx 90 wins....
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90? Wow I thought I was the optimistic homer. :rolleyes:
 
totus44 said:
That does seem to be how this is playing out. You figure this wraps up by the 15th? or longer?
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...well, you just know that Boras is gonna milk it for all he can so he might string it along for awhile...but yeah, I think things will break loose for Scherzer and Shields in the next 2 weeks.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...well, you just know that Boras is gonna milk it for all he can so he might string it along for awhile...but yeah, I think things will break loose for Scherzer and Shields in the next 2 weeks.
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http://www.springtrainingonline.com/reporting-dates/

P&C reporting dates approaching fast. Need time to find a place to live (ST & regular season), situate the wife/family, etc. 46-47 days left. Now with his contract he'd be able to close escrow in 10-30days (all cash deal...if he buys), but not a lot of time left to be completely changing venues. After looking at the calendar, you're point regarding Max going back to Detroit the longer this drags on....its nuts on.
 
totus44 said:
90? Wow I thought I was the optimistic homer. :rolleyes:
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Why wow? I said approx 90 wins which means it could also be a couple LESS or more wins.
They won 84 g last year with a miserable feeble offense and middle of the road overral pitching - I expect better this year.
 
blgridesagain said:
Why wow? I said approx 90 wins which means it could also be a couple LESS or more wins.
They won 84 g last year with a miserable feeble offense and middle of the road overral pitching - I expect better this year.
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Wow, because you actually are expecting a better year. No Captain, new closer committee, Beltran and Tex are a year older, ARod circus, Tanaka/Pineda/CC/Nova health question marks, and a suite of new kids that are untested in pinstripes. McCann has a year under his belt, and Gardner/Ellsbury are solid, but a whole lot of things need to go right to win 90 games. Unless you are counting on a weakened TB and Baltimore to help.

Heading into ST, there are many questions, too many to support a number like 90 IMHO.
 
totus44 said:
Wow, because you actually are expecting a better year. No Captain, new closer committee, Beltran and Tex are a year older, ARod circus, Tanaka/Pineda/CC/Nova health question marks, and a suite of new kids that are untested in pinstripes. McCann has a year under his belt, and Gardner/Ellsbury are solid, but a whole lot of things need to go right to win 90 games. Unless you are counting on a weakened TB and Baltimore to help.

Heading into ST, there are many questions, too many to support a number like 90 IMHO.
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Okay, I realize Tanaka is a ?....but I DO EXPECT CC to be healthy, its not as if he had TJ and RECONSTRUCTIVE surgeries for crissakes........and CC has ALWAYS had command of three pitches. He may have lost 4-5 mph on his fastball and he may no longer be a dominant SP but there should be no reason to expect him to lose his command of his three pitches.

DId you say Beltran? I also expect him to give us much more (offensively) and unless you think he's washed up because of relatively minor elbow surgery...he should provide much better production. Yanks should also get better defense from 3b and SS from day ONE and the Yanks got very little from 2b last year for most of the season - it should improve this year.

I can on further about the SP.....I'll just say I expect it to be at least as good as last year.
 
blgridesagain said:
Okay, I realize Tanaka is a ?....but I DO EXPECT CC to be healthy, its not as if he had TJ and RECONSTRUCTIVE surgeries for crissakes........and CC has ALWAYS had command of three pitches. He may have lost 4-5 mph on his fastball and he may no longer be a dominant SP but there should be no reason to expect him to lose his command of his three pitches.

DId you say Beltran? I also expect him to give us much more (offensively) and unless you think he's washed up because of relatively minor elbow surgery...he should provide much better production. Yanks should also get better defense from 3b and SS from day ONE and the Yanks got very little from 2b last year for most of the season - it should improve this year.

I can on further about the SP.....I'll just say I expect it to be at least as good as last year.
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Don't you mean "As BAD as we were last year"?
 
Hey if you're feeling positive, don't want to knock your ride.

But CC losing that kind of velocity takes away a lot of the delta between his pitch selection and next thing you know....he's a 4.5-6 ERA gas can. I'm much less concerned about Tanaka and Pineda, but if those 2 guys try to do too much, thinking they need to carry the rotation....that's when bad things happen. I like Beltran, but were not going to get the version that mashed for the Cardinals. And our infield defense is comp!etely untested on the size of the stage these kids are stepping onto. I'm tempering my expectations.
 

Honestly I don't see why C.C. cannot bounce back.....yet I still have some doubts, but will give CC the benefit of the doubt.

I can't help but recall how painful it was watching CC try to pitch out of many 1st or 2nd inning Jams, like he had never thrown a ball in the Major Leagues. He was as hittable most Batting Practice Pitchers were.
 
Rick2583 said:
Don't you mean "As BAD as we were last year"?
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I want to believe Beltran can or will return to the form he gave several teams in previous years. Yet, I don't actually see Beltran playing in more than 120 games maximum; if that....!!!

I see a older player plagued by injury, time and time again. I have lost all faith in Carlos, but want to be proven wrong. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, while: seeing Beltran hit 30 HR's, 100 RBI's, 170 Hits, 90 Runs Scored, a B'avg above .300, but I just don't see it happening.

Beltran reminds me of a used car, with 300,000 miles of wear on it. In other words, its only a matter of time, before his engine seizes, and needs a replacement. Hopefully Carlos will be a comeback player of the year. Hopefully, yet realistically....??????? I just don't see it.....~~!!
 
To the OP, Cashman's next signing, will be for a Batting Practice Pitcher, or a new Bat Boy....!

I've quickly been losing all faith in Cashman over the last few years.

I will admit, he seemed to get the best out of the least last year, ie Headley, Prado, Greene, McCarthy, Whitley, Kuroda ( a unexpected surprise), even Suzuki...!

On the other side Cashman's failures for last year, are as equal to his surprising acquisitions, what about the failures of Brian Roberts, S. Drew, Almonte with his .139 B'Avg. What about Solarte? 2 sides to Solarte's coin...! I guess you gotta' lose some to win some. or vice versa. I wan't my cake now, and to eat it too...!!!:rolleyes:

BTW-what the Hell is wrong with MLB, especially the Mariner's, who have yet to tender Ichiro a Farewell Tour 1 year contract???????
 
Mattingly23NY said:
Honestly I don't see why C.C. cannot bounce back.....yet I still have some doubts, but will give CC the benefit of the doubt.

I can't help but recall how painful it was watching CC try to pitch out of many 1st or 2nd inning Jams, like he had never thrown a ball in the Major Leagues. He was as hittable most Batting Practice Pitchers were.
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The issue with CC is, well here

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.aspx?playerid=404&position=P&pitch=FA

And have a look at the heat maps....2009 vs 2014, etc. There is a fine line between brilliant and mediocre.
 
...I'd be surprised is CC is ever any more than a #3 again.
 
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