Mexico's new tariffs could cost Oregon millions

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screw that man, if america can provide the best service for the best price, then they can compete on the global markets. the truth is that they are losing that war, which is why outsourcing is so prominent nowadays.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
support america!

screw that man, if america can provide the best service for the best price, then they can compete on the global markets. the truth is that they are losing that war, which is why outsourcing is so prominent nowadays.
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If only we could institute child labor or abolish minimum wage :D

I am also against tariff and pro-free trade . . .
 
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it's_GO_time said:
If only we could institute child labor or abolish minimum wage . . .
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Its not all about that. I am a reseller of offshored services. Not all offshorers are unskilled labor jobs such as picking berries or sewing shoes...and that is not what many are aiming at, they are aiming at offshored technology to India, Central America and Asia. Programming, call centers, accounting and healthcare.

The problem is there is a brain drain in America, they are producing an uneducated workforce yet want to stay up to speed with the rest of the world. China is going to absolutely kill us in the steel industry over the next decade..they're practically buying Africa as we speak.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Its not all about that. I am a reseller of offshored services. Not all offshorers are unskilled labor jobs such as picking berries or sewing shoes...and that is not what many are aiming at, they are aiming at offshored technology to India, Central America and Asia. Programming, call centers, accounting and healthcare.

The problem is there is a brain drain in America, they are producing an uneducated workforce yet want to stay up to speed with the rest of the world.
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Intersting. I always thought the US was "in the lead" when it came to technology in the world. But it's not my area so I'll take your word on it.

I edited my post above . . . we agree on this issue as I am pro free trade.

US sounds like we are in trouble. We don't have the human resources to compete with the cheap labor around the world and we we don't have the brightest either to dominate in technology.
 
The thing the US does have is the entreprenurial spirit and the desire to succeed and get ahead. I've been to several countries for prospecting and the thing about the work force there is that they are content to be average..to not get ahead. America needs to get all about the money and success...however with a redistribution of wealth, its getting less attractive to do that and workers will be more content to "merely survive".

This is why I am concerned about the move towards a more socialist government and penalizing small business owners. it takes the motivation to succeed and leadership factors away, the areas that America DOES have left and what separates it from the rest of the world.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
The thing the US does have is the entreprenurial spirit and the desire to succeed and get ahead. I've been to several countries for prospecting and the thing about the work force there is that they are content to be average..to not get ahead. America needs to get all about the money and success...however with a redistribution of wealth, its getting less attractive to do that and workers will be more content to "merely survive".

This is why I am concerned about the move towards a more socialist government and penalizing small business owners. it takes the motivation to succeed and leadership factors away, the areas that America DOES have left and what separates it from the rest of the world.
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Well, my instinct was always to say the USA could dictate the terms of any trade agreement, and have it be for the purpose of freedom.

I now know I was wrong to think this. I'm now counting down the days until we can't post freely on a message board about these things. Next up is the internet and your IP addy.
 
PapaG said:
Well, my instinct was always to say the USA could dictate the terms of any trade agreement, and have it be for the purpose of freedom.

I now know I was wrong to think this. I'm now counting down the days until we can't post freely on a message board about these things. Next up is the internet and your IP addy.
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Road to Serfdom, baby!

I'm thinking of an exit strategy for the USA. Not now, but over the next decade or so if this pathway continues.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
The thing the US does have is the entreprenurial spirit and the desire to succeed and get ahead. I've been to several countries for prospecting and the thing about the work force there is that they are content to be average..to not get ahead. America needs to get all about the money and success...however with a redistribution of wealth, its getting less attractive to do that and workers will be more content to "merely survive".

This is why I am concerned about the move towards a more socialist government and penalizing small business owners. it takes the motivation to succeed and leadership factors away, the areas that America DOES have left and what separates it from the rest of the world.
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Been to India? Would you want to live there? There is sure as hell no redistribution of wealth there. A fascinating country, but the difference between the haves and the have-nots is really extreme.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Been to India? Would you want to live there? There is sure as hell no redistribution of wealth there. A fascinating country, but the difference between the haves and the have-nots is really extreme.

barfo
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Nope, not been but I've worked on a project with some people there for a few months. Very difficult to get things done. The thing about India and other countries is that it is very hard to get them to do things how you want them to get done, which is why outsourcing will never been an absolute. For very mechanical and analytical jobs, its fine, but if you need them to think outside the box, forget it.

The amount of handholding is fucking ridiculous. They're so afraid of screwing things up, they purposefully slow progress down.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Nope, not been but I've worked on a project with some people there for a few months. Very difficult to get things done. The thing about India and other countries is that it is very hard to get them to do things how you want them to get done, which is why outsourcing will never been an absolute. For very mechanical and analytical jobs, its fine, but if you need them to think outside the box, forget it.

The amount of handholding is fucking ridiculous. They're so afraid of screwing things up, they purposefully slow progress down.
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If you want it to work better, go over there, spend some time with them, get to know them and let them get to know you.

barfo
 
barfo said:
If you want it to work better, go over there, spend some time with them, get to know them and let them get to know you.

barfo
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You're the PRODUCER. Will you foot the bill?
 
PapaG said:
"Producers" now are able to edit their quotes of the regular folk?
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Minstrel said:
Anyone can. It's the magic of the Internet.
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PapaG said:
Really? Quoting someone incorrectly and then commeting on the change is within the TOS here?

Just wondering...
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AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
dude, it happens on every board I've been on, mostly out of fun.
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Minstrel said:
Indeed. It's a pretty common thing on discussion forums.
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PapaG said:
I only ask because a mod here threatened to ban me for changing and commenting on their post out of fun.
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Minstrel said:
You won't be banned for that, nor edited. So long as the changes are rules-abiding (no changing them into personal attacks and such).
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PapaG said:
OK.

I'll just assume that now-Producer was full of crap then.
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PapaG -

Moderators on up can edit the actual text of your posts.

Anyone can quote anyone and edit what they quote.

As people pointed out here, quoting a post and editing the quoted text is typical and something people generally do on message boards.

As long as nobody's editing your original post, it's there for all to see what you really wrote.

It would be a very big deal if mods or anyone with editing power (producers, GMs, admins) edit your original post to change the meaning of your words. The extent of our editing is to remove really over the top kinds of personal attacks, and even that is done with the intent to keep the meaning of the post there (aside from any such attacks).

The "edit post" button for mods is right next to the "quote post" button and on rare occaision, a mod might edit a post by accident (meaning to quote it) and in every case I've seen, the mod has apologized profusely. In my 8 years of working as staff or running sites like this, I've seen that happen less than 10 times.

Editing posts? I've seen that happen on an almost daily basis, it's the staff's intent to keep the proceedings orderly and limit personal attacks.

We do have staff only private forums. For the most part, we discuss staff issues. Promotion of members to staff positions, "should this post be edited?" and posts that are reported by members are the vast majority of the types of posts/threads there.

You'll find that if you simply ask about something, you'll get a fair answer from us about things like this.

That Ed O, Minstrel, and Barfo are Producers means that the Blazers community has representation near the highest levels of the site and have a significant voice and role in its direction. It's both an acknowledgement that these three kick ass at their job, but also that we want you folks to have a big say in how we do things.
 
You know that is the way it goes with protectionist policies. When you enact them, you usually are on the receiving end of them. So depending on who has to buy what, there might be a net gain, or loss. We would have to do a lot of math to figure that out. I am sure that is what politicians are doing now. Also remember that sometimes policies such as this are enabled in order to gain a negotiating standpoint. The goal might not be as clear as you think.

Now as for the Mexican drug lords, they sure wouldn't be making a lot of money on Pot if they would legalize it and tax it here. Take the money out of it, and they will jump out of the business. That would at least hurt them, and raise revenews and businesses here.
 
Mexico is placing tariffs on 90 U.S. products, including several important to Oregon agriculture:
Christmas trees: 20 percent
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Mexicans buy Christmas trees?

Huh. I just figured they decorated their sombreros or something.
 
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deodorant tarifs? shampoo? toothpaste?

mexico needs deodorant. cant they see that they are only hurting themselves?

and ball point pen tariffs? do they not enjoy sudoku?

curtain rods? there will be a golden age for mexican peeping toms.

statuettes and other decorative items? fuck, halmark is most likely now discontinuing their "donkey show" precious memories figurine now.
 
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