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I will leave this alone but say, I TRULY hope these type of people skills and behavior doesn’t get handed down to another generation. The hate needs to stop. Hope you enjoy the rest of your Black History Month.
 
KingSpeed said:
Ridiculous. Buying a ticket to watch black people battle each other doesn’t mean you’re not racist. You clearly don’t understand what racism is. Educate yourself.
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SlyPokerDog said:
After his suspension for racist conduct, Phoenix Suns owner says he's selling the team

On September 13, 2022, the NBA fined Sarver the maximum $10 million and suspended him for one year in both the NBA and the WNBA after an independent investigation determined that he said "nigger" at least five times in public – four of those being told by subordinates afterward that he should not use the word

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Donald Sterling was also banned for racist comments.
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I apologize if this sounds like a copout, but I am not comfortable continuing this discussion. Mostly because I AM a white man and that provides a certain amount of innate ignorance. But also because it's a very sensitive subject that can easily cross lines of acceptance, typically producing angry/hostile comments, vs impartial, mature and respectable discussion.
 
sheed30 said:
You are so wrong on this.

I live in place where 95% of the population is black, outside of the United States and in a 3rd world country.

they use the word boy in slang all the damn time here. White men on a daily will say, “you don’t know what you’re talking about boy” in sentences. It’s all perspective man, Portland is one of the worse places when it comes to woke people and playing victims every damn day and that’s why Portland is getting worse everyday and people are leaving Portland every year so it’s not surprising to see some of the takes on here.
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It’s about U.S. history if you didn’t realize. And saying “playing victims” has nothing to do with it. Look into the Jim Crow south where “boy” is a term used to degrade and demean. My mom grew up with separate bathrooms and drinking fountains and on and on and on. It was insane and lasted until 19-fucking-65!!!

Anyone can say I-know-guy or 95% this and that but you’re missing the point altogether. Like @THE HCP said, call a black man “boy” in the U.S. and see how it goes. It is not okay. And why would anyone dig their heels in about this? Saying Portland this and that. Just be decent to people ffs. Is not all that hard.

The irony is people end up whining about not being able to say racist things, acting like victims and caring on, freedom of speech and all that. Instead, just read and you’ll likely—maybe begrudgingly—come to understand at the very least.
 
sheed30 said:
What? Racism is racism. A black person should get offended to that inside and outside the US right? Or only inside the US is what you’re saying? What lol
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Yes, things that are considered offensive in one culture are often not considered offensive in another. That shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

sheed30 said:
How about the black friends I asked live in Portland AND California, they ain’t living out the US.
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I can't comment on that, because I don't know them, don't know what they said, don't know how the question was posed, don't know the context, etc.

sheed30 said:
at the end of the day if this guy was so racist then why would he spend lots of money to get good seats that is a league of 90% black players.
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One has nothing to do with the other. Even when overt racism was considered acceptable, white racists have always been willing to pay to be entertained by people they believed to be inferior. White people, even the racist ones, have never taken issue with black singers and athletes.

sheed30 said:
10-15 years ago in our society this would have been nothing.
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Even if that were true (which is debatable), does that invalidate the concern? 100 years ago, this dude showing up in blackface "would have been nothing." 60 years ago, this dude saying the N-word "would have been nothing." Something having been considered acceptable in the past doesn't mean that it should always be. As societal norms evolve, the members of that society must do so as well.
 
I've been to a few events where people are kicked out for this that or the other, and I am always pleased when it happens. Act in a civilized manner or deal with the consequences.

Does Russ have thin skin? Yes. Was that guying acting in a racist manner? Yes. It's up to the arena if they wanna throw someone out and it looks to me like they made the right call in this situation.
 
I couldn't hear exactly what this juiced up dickface heckler was screaming. The players probably didn't hear all the garbage this chump was shouting either. I was only watching his aggressive body language towards the players, saw a few F bombs, and without a doubt saw a guy actively picking a fight.

This freak was using derogatory terms to degrade NBA players. Racist psychopaths shouldn't buy tickets to NBA games.
 
sheed30 said:
What? Racism is racism. A black person should get offended to that inside and outside the US right? Or only inside the US is what you’re saying? What lol
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Not to get all semantical, but it's not just about the color of someone's skin, and it's not about the word itself that is being communicated. It's how the word is received... what is communicated.

A word can be said aloud and it can be a terrible curse word in one language and a total trivial staple word of another language. The meaning changes in how it's received (and we usually can perceive that something that sounds like a curse word in the middle of a paragraph of Japanese PROBABLY isn't an English curse word), rather than in the actual word itself).

Similarly, and relatedly, the sharing a similar shade of skin with someone does not guarantee that the word will be received the same way. Black individuals in Africa or Europe may not perceive it the same way as a person from the American South, and there's a reason for that.

"Boy" has an ugly history within the context of racist regimes and individuals. It dehumanized and "othered" and did a lot of bad stuff that words can do. As a grown man, I might not like being called "boy" in a derogatory manner, but I wouldn't like being called "son" or "kid" ... and I don't have the racial aspect of it layered on top, either, so it doesn't strike a chord with me like it may with some people with different experiences.

And that's another aspect of the post I quoted... "A black person should get offended..." I don't think anyone is saying that anyone SHOULD get offended, but that's not the same as saying that we understand why someone might.

The guy who got kicked out might have been being racist on purpose, or he might have been entirely ignorant of the racial implications that the word has. But if there were a person who spoke no English yelling N-bombs at players because he'd been paid to do so, and had no idea what he was saying, he'd get kicked out. Period. So ignorance, alone, is not enough to shield a person from consequences in this situation IMO.
 
Ed O said:
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The guy who got kicked out might have been being racist on purpose, or he might have been entirely ignorant of the racial implications that the word has. But if there were a person who spoke no English yelling N-bombs at players because he'd been paid to do so, and had no idea what he was saying, he'd get kicked out. Period. So ignorance, alone, is not enough to shield a person from consequences in this situation IMO.
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Regardless of personal opinions, This is the main reason why I have removed myself from this conversation.

One thing this forum HAS brought me is a bit of enlightenment to better understand another individuals' thoughts compared to my own. Do or will I always agree? Maybe, maybe not, but my ignorance is no excuse. So I kick myself out of this conversation. :)

I still say Westbrick is soft, for sooo many other reasons though. ;)
 
sheed30 said:
Ok you’re just straight ignorant yourself at this point. Have a good one man
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Ignorance is telling all of us here in the States that you don't live here and then telling us what is culturally accurate here. Do yourself a favor, watch the clip of video and listen exactly to how the guy in it calls Russ "boy". That is how it is used as a racial slur in this country. You're welcome for the lesson in American culture. You should thank @THE HCP as well because he obviously lives here, travels all over this country and knows what racism looks like and sounds like in all of its nuanced forms here in the USA.

If you feel like teaching us about your culture and how it differs feel free but don't presume that talking to a few people over the phone or more likely through some sort of text messaging gives you the same understanding that people who have lived here their whole lives have. I wouldn't presume to know that about where you're from.
 
THE HCP said:
Yeah I’m not sure who on here grew up with black people and who didn’t (and PLEASE don’t say you knew a black kid at church camp in 6th grade or you used to watch the Fresh Prince of Bel Air)….. but I can tell you without a doubt, you call a black man “BOY” you’re going to get what you deserve.
I don’t care if you hate Westbrook or not.
Do me a favor, anybody above that said it wasn’t an offensive statement….. next time you see an African American male….. call ‘em “BOY” and see how far that gets you.
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Calling a black man boy would be a good way to get your clock cleaned!
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
I apologize if this sounds like a copout, but I am not comfortable continuing this discussion. Mostly because I AM a white man and that provides a certain amount of innate ignorance. But also because it's a very sensitive subject that can easily cross lines of acceptance, typically producing angry/hostile comments, vs impartial, mature and respectable discussion.
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Excuse me? Where were any of my replies angry and hostile and not respectable?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Excuse me? Where were any of my replies angry and hostile and not respectable?
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They weren't and I apologize for providing miss leading perceptions. Im' speaking of historical context of previous interactions on this forum, not only in others, but of myself. I would hope you would respect that stance and self acknowledgement that I am aware my past interactions on this topic have not always been positive.
 
blazerkor said:
Ignorance is telling all of us here in the States that you don't live here and then telling us what is culturally accurate here. Do yourself a favor, watch the clip of video and listen exactly to how the guy in it calls Russ "boy". That is how it is used as a racial slur in this country. You're welcome for the lesson in American culture. You should thank @THE HCP as well because he obviously lives here, travels all over this country and knows what racism looks like and sounds like in all of its nuanced forms here in the USA.

If you feel like teaching us about your culture and how it differs feel free but don't presume that talking to a few people over the phone or more likely through some sort of text messaging gives you the same understanding that people who have lived here their whole lives have. I wouldn't presume to know that about where you're from.
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I lived in the states and in Portland for 17 years bro, why you think I'm a Blazer fan lol.
 
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Ed O said:
Not to get all semantical, but it's not just about the color of someone's skin, and it's not about the word itself that is being communicated. It's how the word is received... what is communicated.

A word can be said aloud and it can be a terrible curse word in one language and a total trivial staple word of another language. The meaning changes in how it's received (and we usually can perceive that something that sounds like a curse word in the middle of a paragraph of Japanese PROBABLY isn't an English curse word), rather than in the actual word itself).

Similarly, and relatedly, the sharing a similar shade of skin with someone does not guarantee that the word will be received the same way. Black individuals in Africa or Europe may not perceive it the same way as a person from the American South, and there's a reason for that.

"Boy" has an ugly history within the context of racist regimes and individuals. It dehumanized and "othered" and did a lot of bad stuff that words can do. As a grown man, I might not like being called "boy" in a derogatory manner, but I wouldn't like being called "son" or "kid" ... and I don't have the racial aspect of it layered on top, either, so it doesn't strike a chord with me like it may with some people with different experiences.

And that's another aspect of the post I quoted... "A black person should get offended..." I don't think anyone is saying that anyone SHOULD get offended, but that's not the same as saying that we understand why someone might.

The guy who got kicked out might have been being racist on purpose, or he might have been entirely ignorant of the racial implications that the word has. But if there were a person who spoke no English yelling N-bombs at players because he'd been paid to do so, and had no idea what he was saying, he'd get kicked out. Period. So ignorance, alone, is not enough to shield a person from consequences in this situation IMO.
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PtldPlatypus said:
Yes, things that are considered offensive in one culture are often not considered offensive in another. That shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.



I can't comment on that, because I don't know them, don't know what they said, don't know how the question was posed, don't know the context, etc.



One has nothing to do with the other. Even when overt racism was considered acceptable, white racists have always been willing to pay to be entertained by people they believed to be inferior. White people, even the racist ones, have never taken issue with black singers and athletes.


Even if that were true (which is debatable), does that invalidate the concern? 100 years ago, this dude showing up in blackface "would have been nothing." 60 years ago, this dude saying the N-word "would have been nothing." Something having been considered acceptable in the past doesn't mean that it should always be. As societal norms evolve, the members of that society must do so as well.
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Now these two replies I can respect and give response to my thoughts.

First off, I already started off my saying racism has no place anywhere, but I also think Westbrooke is soft as heck as many others would say. Hecklers come to the games to get under people skin, if Russ if acknowledging that it does guess what he is going to get targeted even more by fans. Heckling is one thing, saying racist things is another but I thought what we saw was Westbrooke being more soft than anything.

It's all about perspective here really, and not throwing out ignorant comments. If where I live now and the black people don't take offensive to it, its my perspective on how I view that term. If my black friends living in the states tell me they didnt take offensive to that, that's their perspective. I mean you really going to tell a black person that didnt take offensive to that, that they should have? Come on, people can think what they want.

If people on Twitter are voicing some of the same things I am saying on Twitter and some of them are black people, you guys going to tell me your opinion matters over theirs like that HCP said and put his foot in his mouth?

when I lived in the states over 15 years ago, this would have been a no issue and you guys that are older can’t deny that either.

As SharpeScootShooter said, many here will stay quiet on this subject because it can be sensitive and easily taken out of context. I wont ever meet anyone in here, I don't care one shit what you think of my view lol. So take what I say any way you want, doesn't bother me.
 
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Kano John said:
Calling a black man boy would be a good way to get your clock cleaned!
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and actually throwing out a racist comment to a black man here as a white man will get you shot and killed. Go look it up, Trinidad is in the top 10 deadly places to live in the world. So I clearly know my place when it comes to racist and there is no place for racism in the world, period.
 
sheed30 said:
I lived in the states and in Portland for 17 years bro, why you think I'm a Blazer fan lol.
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Same as the rest of us, I assume: glutton for punishment.

barfo
 
sheed30 said:
and actually throwing out a racist comment to a black man here as a white man will get you shot and killed. Go look it up, Trinidad is in the top 10 deadly places to live in the world. So I clearly know my place when it comes to racist and there is no place for racism in the world, period.
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What led you to move to Trinidad? Spain I'm assuming?
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
What led you to move to Trinidad? Spain I'm assuming?
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Ya, Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago.

I was born here, so naturally I came back to the place I was born and took over a shoe business here with my brother in 2009.

But from 1991 to 2009 I lived in Portland. I still go back there every year or other year as I still have family there. But Portland has definitely changed from 2009 to when I left to now.
 
sheed30 said:
Ya, Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago.

I was born here, so naturally I came back to the place I was born and took over a shoe business here with my brother in 2009.

But from 1991 to 2009 I lived in Portland. I still go back there every year or other year as I still have family there. But Portland has definitely changed from 2009 to when I left to now.
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Right on. Wife and I are in the middle of watching a short series on netflix filmed in Spain. Its pretty good. Unfortunately thats the bulk I know of the country. :)
Would love to visit sometime, a trip around Europe. Im half Italian.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Right on. Wife and I are in the middle of watching a short series on netflix filmed in Spain. Its pretty good. Unfortunately thats the bulk I know of the country. :)
Would love to visit sometime, a trip around Europe. Im half Italian.
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Here is only good to visit for the beaches and that's it. Not a place you want to go walking around and exploring lol. The sister island Tobago is real nice just for that, some beautiful beaches to vacate on for a few days or a week.

And there is the best two days on earth happening next week, Carnival here, whole country shuts down and everyone drinking and walking the roads with music blasting in different carnival bands. Girls are wearing basically thongs, it's pretty wild. lol
 
sheed30 said:
Here is only good to visit for the beaches and that's it. Not a place you want to go walking around and exploring lol. The sister island Tobago is real nice just for that, some beautiful beaches to vacate on for a few days or a week.

And there is the best two days on earth happening next week, Carnival here, whole country shuts down and everyone drinking and walking the roads with music blasting in different carnival bands. Girls are wearing basically thongs, it's pretty wild. lol
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So now i know when and where to visit. Just need to get my passport updated and make it happen!
 
sheed30 said:
Here is only good to visit for the beaches and that's it. Not a place you want to go walking around and exploring lol. The sister island Tobago is real nice just for that, some beautiful beaches to vacate on for a few days or a week.

And there is the best two days on earth happening next week, Carnival here, whole country shuts down and everyone drinking and walking the roads with music blasting in different carnival bands. Girls are wearing basically thongs, it's pretty wild. lol
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I want to live there. What kind of cuisine? Is it sunny and warm year round? I’ve always been infatuated with the Caribbean. It’s like a melting pot of different cultures.
 
Wait. Trinidad is not near Spain though. A province or something? It shows off the coast of Venezuela?
 
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