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So your answer is yes, it's only a problem when it happens to you.

And you wonder why no one is sympathetic to your plight.

barfo

Ha! Look at that! Kingslayer "likes" barfo's post!

Now that is spot on, on queue. I lost my healthcare that I worked years to get, to Obama's grand fucking scheme, so that Kingslayer could get healthcare..
Now KingSlayer maybe about to lose it and Barfo thinks that is equally egregious. No doubt Kingslayer does as well.
Fucking amazing.
 
Ha! Look at that! Kingslayer "likes" barfo's post!

Now that is spot on, on queue. I lost my healthcare that I worked years to get, to Obama's grand fucking scheme, so that Kingslayer could get healthcare..
Now KingSlayer maybe about to lose it and Barfo thinks that is equally egregious No doubt Kingslayer does as well.
Fucking amazing.

That's a whole lot of idiotic assumptions packed into a Trump-like word salad there.

Every time I read your posts I become more and more convinced that emphasis should be placed on senior care in whatever healthcare package congress passes.

And for the record, I have insurance through my employer. I'm just not part of the "fuck you, I got mine" crowd.
 
Ha! I am chuckling! Does that mean you are still working it?

Not sure what you want me to say. I believe that healthcare is a right and a necessity for our national interest. To maintain our position as top dog in the world we'll have to work harder and smarter than huge emerging economic powers like India and China. To be stripping away healthcare and education is just shooting ourselves in the foot.
 
Not sure what you want me to say. I believe that healthcare is a right and a necessity for our national interest. To maintain our position as top dog in the world we'll have to work harder and smarter than huge emerging economic powers like India and China. To be stripping away healthcare and education is just shooting ourselves in the foot.

I see what you did there.

barfo
 
Not sure what you want me to say

>>> Well I don't really want anything, but I was sort of expecting to see the SlyPokerdog replace some of my words. Didn't happen, so good.

stripping away healthcare

>>> From my view point, that is exactly what Obama did to me. Made the people that provide my healthcare and offer they could not refuse.

education

I was torn when thinking about education, basically I think the Federal Government should be out of it, No Constitutional authority.
However, I have stowed that thought in hopes that Trump will come through with allowing school choice and paying for it so that all kid can get a better education up through High School.
This would educate most young people well enough, especially if they are outside the public school system, so that most will not vote Democrat.

I don't think the Government should put a dime into sending people to Universities as I find them to be a big scam for most people. I would even go so far as to say, I think it should be unlawful to require degrees for most jobs. People can learn an become fully competent in may ways other than colleges. Many can even do it better.
 
my understanding of facts about the "Cadillac health plan" tax is that has never been implemented but was scheduled for 2018. the house and senate would not have ever allowed it to happen as written or as scheduled. most employee health care pension funds were/are woefully underfunded, especially those providing Cadillac benefits that were negotiated or contracted before the explosion in healthcare costs. many pension providers chose to divest of the Cadillac plans as a simple liability/asset balance sheet decision not a government mandated one. would the costs have been prohibitive? very likely. have they happened yet? no. in december of 2015 the implementation date was delayed from 2018 till 2020 as predict. trumpcare will remove it from the books entirely. is this a true review of the facts? I am sorry for marzuls hardship, don't get me wrong but am curious if it might be misplaced anger about blame.
 
From my view point, that is exactly what Obama did to me. Made the people that provide my healthcare and offer they could not refuse.

Healthcare is wasted on the old.
 
I am sorry for marzuls hardship, don't get me wrong but am curious if it might be misplaced anger about blame.

You may be correct.
However, the damage was done simple making it legal to not provide the healthcare, lawful to break the contract if you will. Many corporation took the opportunity to use that opening in the law.
That is why I refer to it as an offer they can't refuse.

In my case, there several hundred thousand people that were retired and a couple hundred K more that lost the retirement benefit they were still working to complete.
We had no legal recourse, just SOL.

There is no way to fix this now, the damage has be done.
 
Healthcare is wasted on the old.

I think this is probably correct.
However, it would be nice to let each individual define old or when it has been reached.
The get together at on Deschutes made the individual differences really apparent.
 
the reason I ask is my mother and father are on such plan/benefit package from the old Raytheon defense industries corporation and have worried about what might have happened to them. Raytheon however has continued to provide the package that they earned in their combined 74 years of employment with the company and had annually assured their retirees that they would be taken care of, even though the original company no longer exists. just lucky I guess
 
even though the original company no longer exists. just lucky I guess

Luck would be my guess. But then, perhaps they didn't know what it all meant. Hard to believe the company has a benevolent administrator of the plan as well as the the power to be benevolent.

Three companies I can name as I sit here, IBM, UPS, Rockwell exploited the chance. Near one half the people where I live, out of 50 properties are in the same shape, screwed by Obama care,
retired from companies with names I can't pull up.

I believe the intent was to push all these people into the insurance markets to help pay for the masses of high risk people Obama wanted to sign up. I don't think the tax was even consider as a revenue source, more of a prod to move events. Most of these people were covered by plans funded by their ex employers, self insured, not buying insurance. Just guessing but somewhere around 10 to 15 million people. Shoot maybe more, my ex employer may involve nearly a million when you count wifes and some dependents.

The reason I keep banging this drum it to make people aware, it doesn't seem they know it happened to millions of people. This is major reason to follow the Constitution, where as if you want to make government responsible for a huge program like healthcare, by any logic, it should be started by an amendment to make the government responsible with the support of the Nation.
Then a proper design can be done and there will be no need for slight hand tactics, like secrecy in who is getting screwed to enable slipping it through Congress on a one party vote. No need for taxes that are nothing but a prod and or deflection. In short I think people should be forced to see the shit that Obama managed to make happen that screwed people and will fail in the end which is real near.
 
Luck would be my guess. But then, perhaps they didn't know what it all meant. Hard to believe the company has a benevolent administrator of the plan as well as the the power to be benevolent.

Three companies I can name as I sit here, IBM, UPS, Rockwell exploited the chance. Near one half the people where I live, out of 50 properties are in the same shape, screwed by Obama care,
retired from companies with names I can't pull up.

I believe the intent was to push all these people into the insurance markets to help pay for the masses of high risk people Obama wanted to sign up.

I believe old folks are high risk themselves. Getting a bunch of retirees is not a great way to make an insurance plan profitable.

I don't think the tax was even consider as a revenue source, more of a prod to move events. Most of these people were covered by plans funded by their ex employers, self insured, not buying insurance. Just guessing but somewhere around 10 to 15 million people. Shoot maybe more, my ex employer may involve nearly a million when you count wifes and some dependents.

I agree, you are just guessing.

The reason I keep banging this drum it to make people aware, it doesn't seem they know it happened to millions of people. This is major reason to follow the Constitution, where as if you want to make government responsible for a huge program like healthcare, by any logic, it should be started by an amendment to make the government responsible with the support of the Nation.
Then a proper design can be done and there will be no need for slight hand tactics, like secrecy in who is getting screwed to enable slipping it through Congress on a one party vote. No need for taxes that are nothing but a prod and or deflection. In short I think people should be forced to see the shit that Obama managed to make happen that screwed people and will fail in the end which is real near.

There's no doubt a better process would have led to a better outcome. There's plenty of blame for that to go around.

Your party is fully in control now, how come they haven't designed something better?

"Who knew healthcare could be so complicated?"

barfo
 
There's no doubt a better process would have led to a better outcome.

Your party is fully in control now, how come they haven't designed something better?

My party is a stretch. But in either case, follow the Constitution is the better process for either party. I keep writing about it. To you guys and Representatives.

So in this, we agree, need a better process.
 
I agree, you are just guessing.

Yeah Sherlock, I said it. But you know, I shouldn't have to guess, Obama never told the American people he was doing this shit, let alone to so many. You have no fucking idea how many do you?
 
Luck would be my guess. But then, perhaps they didn't know what it all meant. Hard to believe the company has a benevolent administrator of the plan as well as the the power to be benevolent.

Three companies I can name as I sit here, IBM, UPS, Rockwell exploited the chance. Near one half the people where I live, out of 50 properties are in the same shape, screwed by Obama care,
retired from companies with names I can't pull up.

I believe the intent was to push all these people into the insurance markets to help pay for the masses of high risk people Obama wanted to sign up. I don't think the tax was even consider as a revenue source, more of a prod to move events. Most of these people were covered by plans funded by their ex employers, self insured, not buying insurance. Just guessing but somewhere around 10 to 15 million people. Shoot maybe more, my ex employer may involve nearly a million when you count wifes and some dependents.

The reason I keep banging this drum it to make people aware, it doesn't seem they know it happened to millions of people. This is major reason to follow the Constitution, where as if you want to make government responsible for a huge program like healthcare, by any logic, it should be started by an amendment to make the government responsible with the support of the Nation.
Then a proper design can be done and there will be no need for slight hand tactics, like secrecy in who is getting screwed to enable slipping it through Congress on a one party vote. No need for taxes that are nothing but a prod and or deflection. In short I think people should be forced to see the shit that Obama managed to make happen that screwed people and will fail in the end which is real near.

it hasn't just been the ACA that stripped pensioners of their healthcare. one of the democratic talking points concerning budget "wins" in the last funding bill included
Medicaid coverage for miners whom had lost their coverage pensions when bankruptcy judges absolved their former employers of responsibility for continued contracted benefits to the union and former union workers and their families in order to make the coal mining companies assets more attractive to bidding. I believe it was a holding company named patriot(?) something that bought up several smaller coal companies and couple of years later filed for bankruptcy protection in st Louise Missouri. 12000 miners in that proceeding alone. municipalities and public employee unions around the country have had similar experiences in lost pensioner benefits.

the catastrophic loss of health care benefits that you and these other examples of folks loseing coverage, mostly as retirees without the financial ability to afford a similar benefit package to the ones they earned during their lifetime of service that they provided these companies, through no fault of their own, is a compelling case study for reasoning a single payer healthcare provider. certainly not even the stongest argument but a cautionary one for those that trust there pension to be there when they need it. and no safety net to pick up the slack in present government benefits.
 
Yeah Sherlock, I said it. But you know, I shouldn't have to guess, Obama never told the American people he was doing this shit, let alone to so many. You have no fucking idea how many do you?

Nope, but then I'm not the one complaining about it.

You place the blame all on Obama and none of it on IBM, which seems to have been the one that actually changed your health insurance. Seems curious to me.

Did it save IBM money? Yes, presumably it did (although they claimed otherwise at the time - they claimed they only did it to give you more healthcare choices).

Did the government force them to do it? Definitely not. IBM could have done right by you - whatever that would mean - and chose not to. That's not Obama's fault.

barfo
 
through no fault of their own, is a compelling case study for reasoning a single payer healthcare provider

Yes, adding million of more people to the talking point may well have been part of the plan.
 
Don't give a shit about which political party they come from, under whose Administration they served. You violate the law, you should suffer the consequences, whether you're Gen. Flynn, Richard Armitage, Hillary Clinton or Lois Lerner. I'm so f***ing tired of the idea of "too big to jail".
 
Don't give a shit about which political party they come from, under whose Administration they served. You violate the law, you should suffer the consequences, whether you're Gen. Flynn, Richard Armitage, Hillary Clinton or Lois Lerner. I'm so f***ing tired of the idea of "too big to jail".
We agree on this. "Too big to jail" is a black mark on our democracy.
 
i thought flynn resigned?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mings-rt-television-vladimir-putin/100973208/

WASHINGTON — Michael Flynn, who was fired as President Trump’s national security adviser, is now under investigation by the Pentagon Inspector General and had failed to inform Defense Department officials about seeking payments from foreign governments, according to the Defense Department and documents released Thursday.

The inspector general is looking into whether Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general, accepted payments from a foreign government without seeking prior approval as required.
 
Apparently you worked for a shitty company marzy,
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mings-rt-television-vladimir-putin/100973208/

WASHINGTON — Michael Flynn, who was fired as President Trump’s national security adviser, is now under investigation by the Pentagon Inspector General and had failed to inform Defense Department officials about seeking payments from foreign governments, according to the Defense Department and documents released Thursday.

The inspector general is looking into whether Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general, accepted payments from a foreign government without seeking prior approval as required.

FAKE NEWS

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/14/text-michael-flynn-resignation-letter.html


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I and my wife had healthcare as part of my retirement benefits. I also am in the VA healthcare system as a class 3 veteran.

So thank god for socialized single payer healthcare or you would have been in trouble after your former employer stabbed you in the back. kinda makes you think, maybe you shouldnt have worked for them all those years.
 

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