Notice Michael Pineda needs Tommy John Surgery

[Lillie]

Pineda diagnosed with a Partial Tear of his UCL Right Elbow and needs TJ surgery as per Jack Curry.

 

[Yankeefan5545]

If that materializes he'll be tilting another teams cap, Yankees sure won't re-sign him.

 

[Lillie]

Garrett Cooper will join the Yankees this weekend at Fenway as per Brian Cashman.

 

[Messiah717]

Goodbye Pineda. It hasn't been fun but hopefully you can continue your career at some point elsewhere. I never like to see anyone injured and it's awful news for a guy heading into free agency.

 

[yankeesince59]

...I dunno, I can see the Yanx retaining Pineda on a performance/incentive laden deal.

 

[yankeesince59]

...I was just thinking about Pineda's injury...I seem to recall that Tanaka also had a "partial tear" but the Yanx decided to forego surgery, which seemed to work for a short time...I just wonder if that's what's cause Tanaka's recent and unexplainable struggles?

...considering that Pineda is still relatively young and the fact that TJ surgery has a much better success rate these days, maybe that's the best course of action for Pineda...Tanaka on the other hand, is now a different story because even if he had the surgery now he would not be available till the middle of next year and his contract expires after the 2019 season....we're stuck with him.

 

[mrmel29]

Tanaka need the surgery also. He's not fooling anyone. If he was smart he would get it done now while he's stealing money from the yanks and will be healed by the time his contract ends

 

[yankeesince59]

...at this point we simply don't know for sure that Tanaka's recent pitching issues are injury related....you don't do TJ surgery just for the sake of doing it and you don't generally do TJ surgery unless there's at least a 50% tear. You do your due diligence and have tests done by 2 or more doctors and then and only then make an educated assessment.

...and waiting for 1 to 1 1/2 years till his contract is nearly up for his return does the Yanx no good because by then he really has no reason to stay.

 

[mrmel29]

...we don't know that Tanaka's issues are injury related....you don't do TJ surgery just to do it and you don't generally do TJ surgery unless there's at least a 50% tear.

So a dominant pitcher all of a sudden can't pitch anymore?? If he's not injured then what happened? He just overnight forgot how to pitch?

 

[yankeesince59]

^^^bad streaks have happened to a lot of pitchers. It's happened to Tanaka twice now...CC too....as well as many other pitchers.

...what I'm saying is that you don't simply start cutting on a guy's elbow unless there's tangible evidence supported by more than one medical test.

...take a look at his game logs...like a lot of pitchers, he's been up an and down this year as well as others...I would think that if his problem is injury related he would not pitch well then poorly then well then poorly again;

http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/33150/masahiro-tanaka

 

[mrmel29]

Actually reminds me of pineda up and down up and down

 

[yankeesince59]

...like I said, that can apply to many other pitchers as well but it doesn't necessarily always dictate TJ surgery. (CC, Verlander, et al).

 

[totus44]

difficult to make the direct correlation. In fact either one of you are right, but also as plausible that its something else (both wrong) or a combination of the two (both right). At this point it could be the latter scenario where combination of recurring injury and bad luck. And that doesnt even take in the psychology of the whole thing.

When back in San Diego I met about a handful of minor league guys rehabbing at the gym from their TJ surgeries. The experience pre and post op seemed to vary, but the mental state questions all pointed to common themes that took in uncertainty, fear and doubt related to performance. All said it was hard to control, many were using sports shrinks to deal with the process.

 

[yankeesince59]

...that's pretty much what was said.