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In D'Alesando's blog today he mentions Milwaukee trying to get rid of Redd. Think we could have a shot?

Seems like their only needs are SF, SG depth and veteran leadership. You have Yi, Villanueva and Bogut at the 4&5 and Williams & Sessions at 1.

Think RJ, Swift, KVH and #10 for Redd and Bell could work? They can draft SG at #9 or #10. They get immediate salary savings and long term because RJ makes less than Redd and we'd be taking Bell.

Harris/Redd/Carter/Boone/Krstic/Sean/Bell

Not a bad start. Still need a more reliable big, but the shooting issues would improve drastically.
 
He's owed 50 something mil over three. No thanks.
 
i like this trade... except if we give up RJ i think they shoudl take our 21 pick instead of our #10, since they want to get rid of him anyway. we save the 10 i suppose to draft a big man or get someone like millsap

Harris / Redd / Carter / Millsap / Boone
 
Isn't that a bit too much to give up for Mike Miller? He's a good shooter and excellent 6th man but not much more. Redd is miles ahead of him, and that's a great trade proposal on the Nets' end. Not sure the Bucks would like it too much, since they would be going sideways. They have their own lottery pick, they don't need another one if it means giving up Redd for RJ.
 
that is too much for Mike Miller. It all depends if they're willing to give him up and how much they want for him. bah, can't think now, in a rush. I just don't like Redd's contract, which is why I'd rather have Miller instead.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Isn't that a bit too much to give up for Mike Miller? He's a good shooter and excellent 6th man but not much more. Redd is miles ahead of him, and that's a great trade proposal on the Nets' end. Not sure the Bucks would like it too much, since they would be going sideways. They have their own lottery pick, they don't need another one if it means giving up Redd for RJ.</div>
For the Bucks they get a veteran guy who is still young and can help lead a young group and get a pick and salary relief. They are a small market team that always needs some relief.
They still need to shed more bad contracts like Simmons and Gadzuric, but at least they'd get some savings in Redd and Bell. And gain a Top 10 pick.

They're a team on the fence they are either going to blow it up and go young with those bad contracts eating up the cap space until the youngsters are developed or they are going to spend more money filling out the roster around Redd. I see them doing the semi blow it up scenario.
 
If they're trying to get rid of bad contracts, trading for RJ isn't a very good idea. I think if they trade Redd, it means they're going into full blown rebuilding mode. They won't trade him for anything less than a talented youngster or two, a pick + salary cap relief. We give them salary cap relief in the form of KVH and Swift, but RJ's contract is the trade killer here.
 
He still has like 51$ mill left in his contract.... and I dont think he is worth that much.. No thanks.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they're trying to get rid of bad contracts, trading for RJ isn't a very good idea. I think if they trade Redd, it means they're going into full blown rebuilding mode. They won't trade him for anything less than a talented youngster or two, a pick + salary cap relief. We give them salary cap relief in the form of KVH and Swift, but RJ's contract is the trade killer here.</div>
Could be. Only other way is a 3-way that gets them another expiring and some other team takes RJ.

How about this:

Nets out:
RJ
KVH
#21

Nets in:
Redd
Bell

Portland out:
LaFrentz
Webster
#13

Portland in:
Jefferson

Milwaukee out:
Redd
Bell

Milwaukee in:
Lafrentz
Webster
NJN #21
Port #13
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Isn't that a bit too much to give up for Mike Miller? He's a good shooter and excellent 6th man but not much more. Redd is miles ahead of him, and that's a great trade proposal on the Nets' end. Not sure the Bucks would like it too much, since they would be going sideways. They have their own lottery pick, they don't need another one if it means giving up Redd for RJ.</div>


ummm...by comparison Miller gets 2.5 more boards and shots better from the floor (.50% to Redd's .44%) and is more accurate from 3 pt land (.43% to Redd's .36%) All Redd did better was score 6 more points and shot better from the FT line (.82% to Miller's .77%)

Doesn't look like Redd is miles ahead of Miller to me. And on top of that you have Redd's contract to consider. I'd go for Miller
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Jun 11 2008, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He still has like 51$ mill left in his contract.... and I dont think he is worth that much.. No thanks.</div>
He makes $2 to $3mm more than Jefferson per year. Both deals expire at the same time. Would I pay an extra $2 to $3mm to Jefferson if he shot as good as Redd? Hell yeah. And he's 28.

The guy is leathal if you leave him open. Between him, Carter and Harris our bigs may actually have some room to operate.

It's not the best deal in the world, but we need to improve our shooting and post play. If we can't get Mike Miller or Brand this is possibly the best thing we can do.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 11 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Isn't that a bit too much to give up for Mike Miller? He's a good shooter and excellent 6th man but not much more. Redd is miles ahead of him, and that's a great trade proposal on the Nets' end. Not sure the Bucks would like it too much, since they would be going sideways. They have their own lottery pick, they don't need another one if it means giving up Redd for RJ.</div>


ummm...by comparison Miller gets 2.5 more boards and shots better from the floor (.50% to Redd's .44%) and is more accurate from 3 pt land (.43% to Redd's .36%) All Redd did better was score 6 more points and shot better from the FT line (.82% to Miller's .77%)

Doesn't look like Redd is lightyears ahead of Miller to me. And on top of that you have Redd's contract to consider. I'd go for Miller
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Miller isn't being traded. Memphis is well under the cap and have plenty of youngsters. They don't need to do it. They are still feeling shafted from the Gasol deal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 11 2008, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 11 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Isn't that a bit too much to give up for Mike Miller? He's a good shooter and excellent 6th man but not much more. Redd is miles ahead of him, and that's a great trade proposal on the Nets' end. Not sure the Bucks would like it too much, since they would be going sideways. They have their own lottery pick, they don't need another one if it means giving up Redd for RJ.</div>


ummm...by comparison Miller gets 2.5 more boards and shots better from the floor (.50% to Redd's .44%) and is more accurate from 3 pt land (.43% to Redd's .36%) All Redd did better was score 6 more points and shot better from the FT line (.82% to Miller's .77%)

Doesn't look like Redd is lightyears ahead of Miller to me. And on top of that you have Redd's contract to consider. I'd go for Miller
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Miller isn't being traded. Memphis is well under the cap and have plenty of youngsters. They don't need to do it. They are still feeling shafted from the Gasol deal.
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I'm not saying he is, I was just giving feedback on a comment of Miller being a 6th man and being miles behind Redd
 
Stats aren't everything. Redd had an off year as well, so you can't just look at his stats this season and write him off. Redd's impact on a game is bigger than Miller's. You're right, he's not miles ahead of Miller, I went a bit too far. But he's still the better player and an all-star talent. I would rather have Redd and his large contract than Miller, though I would prefer Miller over RJ right now as well, to be fair.

As for that 3 way trade, it looks great. All three teams fill a need and give up a fair amount. Nice work.
 
No to this trade. Rj and a pick? Hell no. Now i do agree that Redd would be 10x a better fit for us then RJ in theory but again he's a cap killer and correct me if i'm wrong but hasnt he been injury prone the last two years? If we trade RJ, it needs to be strictly for dumping his contract and giving us room to re-build unless we'r trading him for a legit superstar.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stats aren't everything. Redd had an off year as well, so you can't just look at his stats this season and write him off. Redd's impact on a game is bigger than Miller's. You're right, he's not miles ahead of Miller, I went a bit too far. But he's still the better player and an all-star talent. I would rather have Redd and his large contract than Miller, though I would prefer Miller over RJ right now as well, to be fair.

As for that 3 way trade, it looks great. All three teams fill a need and give up a fair amount. Nice work.</div>

True stats aren't everything...I was just doing that to show he's not miles ahead. If money wasn't an issue then I would rather have Redd. But in all honesty although he can score...that about all he does. He doesn't help you much in other catagories...ie; rebounds and defense
 
You're correct about the fact that scoring is his main and maybe only strength, but usually he does that better than Miller and Miller isn't a defensive ace himself.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're correct about the fact that scoring is his main and maybe only strength, but usually he does that better than Miller and Miller isn't a defensive ace himself.</div>

Your right about that. So it seems we met a good middle ground in that Redd isn't miles ahead of Miller, but we would both rather have him on our team.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're correct about the fact that scoring is his main and maybe only strength, but usually he does that better than Miller and Miller isn't a defensive ace himself.</div>

I think I would prefer Miller over Redd. True, neither of them are defensive stoppers but Miller is the better rebounder and he seems to be a smart player who can facilitate the offense. To me, Redd seems to be a black hole. Redd will always have higher point totals and the larger contract between the two but I think he will always be the best player on a bad team while Miller can be a great complimentary player on a good team.
 
Lord no, Redd is awful, one of those guys who will never contribute to a winning team.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jun 11 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lord no, Redd is awful, one of those guys who will never contribute to a winning team.</div>
Why
 
Redd is a legit shooter this team needs, but I want the Nets to get younger.

Trading RJ or Vince for Redd would only make the team a little better, so no thanks.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ryan @ Jun 11 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're correct about the fact that scoring is his main and maybe only strength, but usually he does that better than Miller and Miller isn't a defensive ace himself.</div>

I think I would prefer Miller over Redd. True, neither of them are defensive stoppers but Miller is the better rebounder and he seems to be a smart player who can facilitate the offense. To me, Redd seems to be a black hole. Redd will always have higher point totals and the larger contract between the two but I think he will always be the best player on a bad team while Miller can be a great complimentary player on a good team.
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There are pros and cons to both. But it does depend on needs. Redd has that clutch factor about him where he has proven to take and make the big shot when the pressure is on, not to mention that unlike Miller, when Redd gets in a grove he can score in the 40-50 range. I like Miller he does bring that added bonus of rebounding, but lets not forget a big factor ...superstar potential. As good as Miller is the fans won't buy tickets to see him like they would to see Redd light it up. Were talking All-Star and solid contributor. Stars sell tickets and brings in fans and revenue, Stars and revenue bring in better free-agents.
But like I said this is in no way a knock on Miller...the guy can ball. We were just refering to who has more trade value
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jun 11 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lord no, Redd is awful, one of those guys who will never contribute to a winning team.</div>

Granted the guy is extremly one dimensional...I would think that a guy capable of putting up 50 any given night isn't awful.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 11 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jun 11 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lord no, Redd is awful, one of those guys who will never contribute to a winning team.</div>
Why
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Takes shitty shots, doesn't grasp the concept of team basketball.

Let's not even mention the defense.

Makes waaaaaaaaaay too much money, a team can't win paying a guy like this as much as he makes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jun 11 2008, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 11 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jun 11 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lord no, Redd is awful, one of those guys who will never contribute to a winning team.</div>
Why
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Takes shitty shots, doesn't grasp the concept of team basketball.

Let's not even mention the defense.

Makes waaaaaaaaaay too much money, a team can't win paying a guy like this as much as he makes.
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we weren't talking about if he is worth his contract...I know he's not worth that much. I'm just saying that anyone in the NBA who can consistently be a threat to score 50 points isn't an awful player. Shitty shots....eeeehhh....I don't know about all that, for a guy who 's bread and butter is shooting mid-range and beyond, he would have FG% that's alot worse than 45% if he was taking "shitty" shots.
AI will go down as one of the best scorers of all time and there were stints where you were lucky to see his FG% reach 35%!!! I'm not compairing him to AI I'm just saying just because he takes bad shots it doesn't make him and awful player.

Slacks on D? yes....but if he was that awful of a player that would be saying that if he was dropped right now, no one would want him. he would get paid, because when it's all said and done, if you can score in the NBA you will get paid...ask Houston
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 11 2008, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jun 11 2008, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 11 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jun 11 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lord no, Redd is awful, one of those guys who will never contribute to a winning team.</div>
Why
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Takes shitty shots, doesn't grasp the concept of team basketball.

Let's not even mention the defense.

Makes waaaaaaaaaay too much money, a team can't win paying a guy like this as much as he makes.
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we weren't talking about if he is worth his contract...I know he's not worth that much. I'm just saying that anyone in the NBA who can consistently be a threat to score 50 points isn't an awful player. Shitty shots....eeeehhh....I don't know about all that, for a guy who 's bread and butter is shooting mid-range and beyond, he would have FG% that's alot worse than 45% if he was taking "shitty" shots.
AI will go down as one of the best scorers of all time and there were stints where you were lucky to see his FG% reach 35%!!! I'm not compairing him to AI I'm just saying just because he takes bad shots it doesn't make him and awful player.

Slacks on D? yes....but if he was that awful of a player that would be saying that if he was dropped right now, no one would want him. he would get paid, because when it's all said and done, if you can score in the NBA you will get paid...ask Houston
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So why would I want this guy on my team, again? His contract has to come into play in the NBA when there's a salary cap, you can't just discount his worth compared to what he's paid.

Another thing is his passing/court vision. Terrible. Leads me to believe he has a low bball IQ, but I don't really know for definite, or if he's just selfish.
 
Miller's the better shooter, playmaker, rebounder, has height (mismatch/small ball!), is smarter, and is a better defender (that's not saying much at all about Redd).

Basically, Miller's the better all-around player, and I'd take him over Redd any day.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 11 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Miller's the better shooter, playmaker, rebounder, has height (mismatch/small ball!), is smarter, and is a better defender (that's not saying much at all about Redd).

Basically, Miller's the better all-around player, and I'd take him over Redd any day.</div>
This has delved into a conversation that isn't even relevant to the topic. Miller isn't available and due to Memphis' cap situation I doubt he will be.
 
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