Microfracture for Oden

[maxiep]

I don't understand how me wondering about how your personal injury history relates at all to Oden means that I am angry. It seems like a red herring argument that has nothing to do with Oden, but rather yourself.

You're right. You don't understand.

 

[southnc]

Very sad deal.

If you think the Blazers lost some money, remember that Oden probably loses around 90M (!) in potential money (see Durant).

I agree with others that the Blazer's medical staff is a joke. I mean last year Blake went from a cold, to sinusitis, to bronchitis, to walking pneumonia, to full blown pneumonia and hospitalization - and nobody on the medical staff noticed!? Even a blind country doc could spot that and prescribe antibiotics well before things got out of hand. Seems to me they are not really monitoring player conditioning until it's too late.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think some people just aren't ready to let the dream die, but I've seen enough. It'll be just one more injury and one more injury and one more...... etc.
At what point do people accept that the guy is not capable of playing anymore without injuring himself?

 

[BGrantFan]

You're right. You don't understand.

It's obvious that you don't either.

 

[Minstrel]

It's obvious that you don't either.

Do any of us really understand?

 

[hasoos]

So what will Gregs XXX porn screen name be? It's time for him to start thinking about that second careeer!

 

[oldmangrouch]

Your kidding right? So im retarded to think Greg can return from a simple microfracture surgery? You do know he already recovered from the same exact surgery and showed us at the beginning of last season how dominant he could be after the microfracture.. Is 2+2 hard for you? If he recovered and was dominant after the microfracture before, then he can do it again. Got it?? Its already been done and as Jay Jensen said his right knee is stronger currently then it was previous to the microfracture.. What does that tell you? It says theres a very good probability he will play again. Why is this hard to understand??

Get well Greg

Oden makes Sam Bowie look like Cal Ripken. A player sitting behind the bench in a suit is of ZERO value. "Why is this hard to understand??"

 

[oldmangrouch]

For now, retaining Oden is just a question of short-term cash that can't be spent on anything else. Therefore continuing to wait and see, as angry as the idea makes some people, really has no adverse effect on the franchise.

Except to those who believe in a psychic cost to the minds of the players and front office. I don't believe in such a thing.

Psychic - or psychological? You can't fix a problem if you are in denial that the problem exists. As long as Oden is on the payroll, he is a built in excuse for Cho, Nate, and everyone else to just tread water. Oden - and Roy - need to go, and the "brain trust" needs to be held accountable for fixing this mess.

I've had enough "ifs", "buts", "maybes" and other excuses to last me several lifetimes.

 

[Ed O]

Psychic - or psychological? You can't fix a problem if you are in denial that the problem exists. As long as Oden is on the payroll, he is a built in excuse for Cho, Nate, and everyone else to just tread water. Oden - and Roy - need to go, and the "brain trust" needs to be held accountable for fixing this mess.

I've had enough "ifs", "buts", "maybes" and other excuses to last me several lifetimes.

How does the presence of Oden impact how they build the rest of the team? It will cost some money, sure, but other than that?

I don't get it.

Ed O.

 

[BBert]

I think some people just aren't ready to let the dream die, but I've seen enough. It'll be just one more injury and one more injury and one more...... etc.
At what point do people accept that the guy is not capable of playing anymore without injuring himself?

I'll know it when I see it. We each have to make that decision, I guess.

Get well Greg (dammit).

 

[oldmangrouch]

How does the presence of Oden impact how they build the rest of the team? It will cost some money, sure, but other than that?

I don't get it.

Ed O.

You don't succeed by giving people an excuse to fail. As long as Oden is part of the team's long term plans, as Miller says he is, that is exactly what he is - an excuse.

 

[cdub503]

For now, retaining Oden is just a question of short-term cash that can't be spent on anything else. Therefore continuing to wait and see, as angry as the idea makes some people, really has no adverse effect on the franchise.

It has an adverse effect on Paul Allen's pocket book, though, so if he decides he's done spending money to wait and see, I can understand that. However, if he's willing to spend the money, I think the franchise is best off extending Oden the qualifying offer. They cannot use that money for someone else, being over the cap.

As far as I'm concerned, you hold off on final decisions like these, like jettisoning a talented player forever, until the cost of holding off hurts your future prospects. If Allen is okay with paying the qualifying offer, then there's currently no cost to the franchise for holding off.

Except to those who believe in a psychic cost to the minds of the players and front office. I don't believe in such a thing.

this is my line of thinking... really we cant do anything else money wise we dont have a MLE we dont have anything of that nature, if paul allen can put up the money whats another year? shit we have been waiting at least 10+ years waiting for the right shit whats another?

 

[Ed O]

You don't succeed by giving people an excuse to fail. As long as Oden is part of the team's long term plans, as Miller says he is, that is exactly what he is - an excuse.

I'm not sure that I buy this.

Did Oden as an excuse save KP's job?

Ed O.

 

[mercykersey]

Oden makes Sam Bowie look like Cal Ripken. A player sitting behind the bench in a suit is of ZERO value. "Why is this hard to understand??"

Its not hard to understand a injured player isn't contributing THAT game.. Is it hard to understand injuries happen and so do recoveries? Lets just cut ties with every player who gets hurt.. Wow youd be a great GM..

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

LeBron tweeted about Greg:

Man i seriously feel for Greg Olden! Keep your head up man and put all faith in the man above. Best of luck.

Typo?

 

[Minstrel]

Psychic - or psychological? You can't fix a problem if you are in denial that the problem exists. As long as Oden is on the payroll, he is a built in excuse for Cho, Nate, and everyone else to just tread water. Oden - and Roy - need to go, and the "brain trust" needs to be held accountable for fixing this mess.

I've had enough "ifs", "buts", "maybes" and other excuses to last me several lifetimes.

I don't think anyone, least of all Cho who wasn't even here when Oden was added to the team, views Oden as an "excuse" or will gain added job security/less accountability due to Oden's presence.

So I really don't see your objection as being a good one. Oden is an afterthought now...but since his presence on the roster doesn't limit what they can do to continue building the team, they may as well keep him. Just in case. Even it's only a 1% chance that he ever has a healthy season, since his presence's harm to the franchise is 0%, it's worth it.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Its not hard to understand a injured player isn't contributing THAT game.. Is it hard to understand injuries happen and so do recoveries? Lets just cut ties with every player who gets hurt.. Wow youd be a great GM..

3 SEASON ENDING INJURIES IN 4 YEARS!!! ... 20 million dollars for 82 games played. This is not some sudden onset of pessimism about Oden's viability as a basketball player amongst the fan-base, and if management is really doing their job then this absolutely has to be part of their calculus when it comes to roster building.

 

[BGrantFan]

I don't think anyone, least of all Cho who wasn't even here when Oden was added to the team, views Oden as an "excuse" or will gain added job security/less accountability due to Oden's presence.

So I really don't see your objection as being a good one. Oden is an afterthought now...but since his presence on the roster doesn't limit what they can do to continue building the team, they may as well keep him. Just in case. Even it's only a 1% chance that he ever has a healthy season, since his presence's harm to the franchise is 0%, it's worth it.

I learned from the Kevin Prichard/Tom Penn fiasco that Paul Allen is a very stubborn and a very proud man. Knowing this now, and after digesting the Oden news for 24 hours, I believe that Paul is not going to let Oden just walk away until Allen is sure that Oden will never be a solid NBA player.

I fully expect the Blazers to offer the QO, and if Oden actually agrees on it, I fully expect Paul Allen to potentially overpay for Greg as an UFA in the summer of 2012. If Oden declines the QO, I fully expect Allen to match any RFA offer.

What Oden does is the only wildcard, IMO. The franchise has invested too much into Greg. You could see/hear it in the press conference last night.

 

[BGrantFan]

3 SEASON ENDING INJURIES IN 4 YEARS!!! ... 20 million dollars for 82 games played. This is not some sudden onset of pessimism about Oden's viability as a basketball player amongst the fan-base, and if management is really doing their job then this absolutely has to be part of their calculus when it comes to roster building.

Tracy MacGrady made more than that for not playing a single game in a season, as did Grant Hill.

 

[Denny Crane]

Tracy MacGrady made more than that for not playing a single game in a season, as did Grant Hill.

Arenas, too.

 

[RoyToy]

I learned from the Kevin Prichard/Tom Penn fiasco that Paul Allen is a very stubborn and a very proud man. Knowing this now, and after digesting the Oden news for 24 hours, I believe that Paul is not going to let Oden just walk away until Allen is sure that Oden will never be a solid NBA player.

I fully expect the Blazers to offer the QO, and if Oden actually agrees on it, I fully expect Paul Allen to potentially overpay for Greg as an UFA in the summer of 2012. If Oden declines the QO, I fully expect Allen to match any RFA offer.

What Oden does is the only wildcard, IMO. The franchise has invested too much into Greg. You could see/hear it in the press conference last night.

I bolded that part of your post because I heard an interesting take on the 2007 draft today.

To keep it short, Paul Allen wanted Greg Oden. We all say Pritchard/McMillan/etc wanted Greg Oden but never do we realize that Paul Allen did too. The pick will forever linked to Pritchard and rightfully so but don't forget who owns the team and has been known to make some pretty big decisions. The Greg Oden pick is as much of a Paul Allen pick as it is Pritchard's imo. If Paul Allen wanted Kevin Durant he would have said pick Kevin Durant, that simple. But he didn't. He said pick Greg Oden and that's why he won't give up on him.

 

[NJNetz]

The Blazers will be fine. I think they're used to not having Oden play, anyway.

 

[Blazinaway]

Oden's a dream, maybe a some point it happens and very possibly it does not. IMO ROY's the one I'm worried about, I think his knees are really bad and the best case is a near term stabilization, and the likelihood is that it will only get worse as he plays.

 

[illmatic99]

Tracy MacGrady made more than that for not playing a single game in a season, as did Grant Hill.

Why look elsewhere?

We have had our own share of guys getting money they didn't deserve:

And the best of all:

 

[Elvin Jones]

I think you have to take the qualifying offer, THEN you're a RFA for that year and an UFA the next. If you decline the QA, you automatically become an UFA.

 

[Minstrel]

I think you have to take the qualifying offer, THEN you're a RFA for that year and an UFA the next. If you decline the QA, you automatically become an UFA.

I'm not sure who you mean by "you." If you mean the player, that's wrong. If you could go straight to UFA by declining QOs, every good/great player would do that. RFA is for the team and players can't bypass it if the team wants to exercise it. If the team offers the QO, the player can decline it...but they remain RFA. Any deal they sign with another NBA franchise can be matched by their original team. They can go to Europe, ala Josh Childress, but their rights remain owned by their original NBA team until they either sign the QO and play out their RFA year or else the team voluntarily renounces their rights.

 

[Elvin Jones]

If Oden declines the QO, I fully expect Allen to match any RFA offer.

This is what I was replying to. And when I said "you have to take it," I didn't mean YOU MUST take it, I meant "you have to take it IN ORDER TO BE a restricted free agent.

The team doesn't have to offer; then the player is unrestricted
The player doesn't have to take it if it is offered; then the player is unrestricted
The player can take the QO; then the player is restricted that year, and unrestricted the next

Hope that clears it up

 

[Minstrel]

The player doesn't have to take it if it is offered; then the player is unrestricted

That's the part that's wrong. There's no path to UFA, that year, if the team offers the QO. He can either sign it or else try to get a contract from another team, which the team can then match. If he does neither, he can't play basketball in the NBA because he won't be signed to any team. And that means the RFA status rolls over to the next year (the team retains his rights).

The only way for the player to reach UFA is to either sign the QO and play out a year under the QO, or else for the team to not offer him QO. Or for him to sign a multi-year deal (which his original team can match) and play out that contract.

This of course is under the current CBA. Things may change by next year.

 

[Elvin Jones]

That's the part that's wrong.

NO, FUCK YOU< YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG ZOMFG I'M GONNA...

*five minutes of Internet searching later*

...clearly, I have failed at life.

I really thought I was right about something for once, but I am wrong and you are right.

:-(

 

[Minstrel]

NO, FUCK YOU< YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG ZOMFG I'M GONNA...

*five minutes of Internet searching later*

...clearly, I have failed at life.

I really thought I was right about something for once, but I am wrong and you are right.

:-(

I've made plenty of CBA-related mistakes. I just knew this because of the Josh Childress saga.