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18.1 % of the Israeli population in Muslim. about 1.7 million people in all and that's a fifth of the Israeli population. Muslims, Christians and Jews have been neighbors for thousands of years ..this isn't some new genocide from 1948.....the difference between peaceful Jews, Christians and Muslims in the region is that they are not armed fundamentalist extremists. Those are the assholes who rape, torture and kill innocent people over their fucked up rule books and chants. Hamas does not represent Muslim culture but represents fundamentalist warlord culture. Where is the United Nations when we need them in Ukraine and Israel/Palestine? The UN is showing itself to be largely ineffectual in combating terrorism around the globe. Somebody said India is a neutral country...that's not the truth, they are a country with nukes and skirmishes in Kashmira, Pakistan and the northern border with China. Switzerland is a neutral country. India is not.
 
riverman said:
Switzerland is a neutral country.
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Switzerland is neutral as long as no one asks them to return stolen Nazi gold they keep in their banks... Let's not pretend that the Swiss do not have their own agenda...

They are the Ferengi alliance without the cute ears.
 
andalusian said:
Switzerland is neutral as long as no one asks them to return stolen Nazi gold they keep in their banks... Let's not pretend that the Swiss do not have their own agenda...

They are the Ferengi alliance without the cute ears.
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That's utter nonsense.

The Swiss have very cute ears.

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barfo said:
That's utter nonsense.

The Swiss have very cute ears.
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Most of them hide them in official photos for a reason...

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Written off by the politicians as mistakes, allied planes attacked targets in Switzerland during WW2 about 70 times. Everything from a single plane straffing a target, up to a 50 bomber raid.

Several may have been navigation errors, but not all 70. It was understood these raids were warnings to Switzerland to stop collaborating with Germany.

BTW, India has close relations with Iran, Palistine, Russia, and Israel.

You could say, both Switzerland and India played both sides, for their own benefit.
 
oldfisherman said:
Written off by the politicians as mistakes, allied planes attacked targets in Switzerland during WW2 about 70 times. Everything from a single plane straffing a target, up to a 50 bomber raid.

Several may have been navigation errors, but not all 70. It was understood these raids were warnings to Switzerland to stop collaborating with Germany.

BTW, India has close relations with Iran, Palistine, Russia, and Israel.

You could say, both Switzerland and India played both sides, for their own benefit.
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This makes it sound like they are a neutral country...
 
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Phatguysrule said:
This makes it sounds like they are a neutral country...
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I would add Turkiye to India and Switzerland on the list of countries playing both sides/neutral.

Turkiye has sent drones to Ukraine, but has also back-doored tons of banned product to Russia.

If ever a world war breaks out, not sure whose side India and Turkiye would be on? India has a very large and strong military, and as of now, leans towards Russia.
 
Israeli Bombing of Gaza Ranks Among 'Most Devastating' in History

"Gaza is one of the most intense civilian punishment campaigns in history," said a U.S. military historian as Israel's use of arms including 2,000-pound "bunker-buster" bombs pushed the Palestinian death toll over 20,000.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/bombing-gaza

Gaza health officials said Friday that 390 Palestinians were killed and 734 others wounded in the besieged strip over the previous 48 hours, driving the death toll from 77 days of near-relentless Israeli attacks to 20,057, with another 53,320 people injured. More than 6,000 women and over 8,000 children have been killed—approximately 70% of all fatalities.
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70% of all casualties are women and children.

At that level of civilian deaths... Israeli's are straight up baby killers.
 
crandc said:
Can you verify? Because exactly same charge made against Iraq. Against Mexico. Among others. And never actual evidence.

You can't just chop out organs. They need transplant team, special handling to stay alive, tissue typing. And no one has woken in ice bath in hotel with missing kidney.
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This has been going on for far longer than when this genocide started. Feel free to look up "skin bank in Israel" as well. But here you go - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs
 
Thanks. Article basically said they were harvesting without consent. Not a battlefield issue. And they aren't the only ones. It's been done here as well.
It's wrong to take organs and tissues without consent.
More people should be donors.
Unfortunately observant Jews don't donate. I am secular, I left instructions to take anything usable.
 
crandc said:
Thanks. Article basically said they were harvesting without consent. Not a battlefield issue. And they aren't the only ones. It's been done here as well.
It's wrong to take organs and tissues without consent.
More people should be donors.
Unfortunately observant Jews don't donate. I am secular, I left instructions to take anything usable.
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Killing people and then taking their organs is normal? That's what the first article provided said but for some reason that one wasn't good enough for you so I provided more evidence that this is nothing new. They're just committing a genocide and stealing the organs from bodies after now which is definitely unique and against international law.
 
No. I am not normalizing. But the Guardian article was pretty strong that no one was being killed for organs; they were harvested from people already dead. And not just Palestinians although possibly some racist doctor was more likely to violate a Palestinian. So unethical but doesn't rise to level of genocide.
 
crandc said:
No. I am not normalizing. But the Guardian article was pretty strong that no one was being killed for organs; they were harvested from people already dead. And not just Palestinians although possibly some racist doctor was more likely to violate a Palestinian. So unethical but doesn't rise to level of genocide.
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Every scholar who has studied this that I’ve seen has said this is absolutely a genocide that’s going on. Jewish scholars to Christian ones. It definitely meets the definition by every standard.
 
I was basing my statement on the Guardian article you linked.

Are you talking about the war in Gaza being genocide? Or are you talking about taking organs from dead bodies without consent? The former could reasonably be called genocide. The latter could not. It isn't genocide if no one is being killed.

If you claim most scholars do consider harvesting organs without consent genocide please cite specific articles they wrote. I would like to see the argument.
 
crandc said:
I was basing my statement on the Guardian article you linked.

Are you talking about the war in Gaza being genocide? Or are you talking about taking organs from dead bodies without consent? The former could reasonably be called genocide. The latter could not. It isn't genocide if no one is being killed.

If you claim most scholars do consider harvesting organs without consent genocide please cite specific articles they wrote. I would like to see the argument.
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I listened to the entire video. The professor did not say one word about organ harvesting. He argued the current war in Gaza meets definition of genocide. As I said, a reasonable position. But nothing meets your claim that organ harvesting is genocide. Nor any evidence people are killed for their organs.
 
I never stated that organ harvesting is genocide. What are you talking about? I'm not going to do your work for you anymore. You clearly have access to the same tools I do. I provided multiple articles/videos. If you don't get it then that's a personal problem. I wish you luck on your journey.
 
When all else fails, personal insults.
 
Seriously?

he said this has been going on far longer than the genocide. He never said it was genocide.
You turned his words into that.

AmirIcon said:
I never stated that organ harvesting is genocide. What are you talking about? I'm not going to do your work for you anymore. You clearly have access to the same tools I do. I provided multiple articles/videos. If you don't get it then that's a personal problem. I wish you luck on your journey.
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let’s see….

I never stated that organ harvesting is genocide.
Not a personal insult…

After being asked for links and providing them…
What are you talking about? I'm not going to do your work for you anymore. You clearly have access to the same tools I do.
Nope. No insult there….

If you don't get it then that's a personal problem.

After providing links and you still insinuating he said something he didn’t, he has given up and said if you don’t get it, that is your problem, not his.
No personal insult there.

I wish you luck on your journey.

A kind departure. No insult here.


So really, when all else fails, claim to be a victim of insults when you aren’t.

I’m sorry. But this is simply ridiculous….
 
Article posted and claim made Palestinians being killed for organs. I was unfamiliar with source. Link posted to Guardian and I thanked for source. Article said allegations organs being harvested without consent, not specifically from Palestinians and no evidence people killed for organs. I consider that unethical but not genocide. Reply said many scholars consider it genocide. It was interesting to me someone would take that position. I did specifically ask, are we talking about Israel war in Gaza which could reasonably be called genocide or organ harvesting? No answer. The video clearly was about actions in Gaza.

I can accept that we got our wires crossed somewhere along the way. It happens although I did ask for clarification what was being discussed. Instead of recognizing we had been talking at cross purposes a, yes, nasty tone about I have access to information but can't figure out ... something. Because of my personal problems which I am unaware of but strangers are?
 
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