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[Phatguysrule]

He's got a point but not a terribly strong one - we weren't trying to annex Iraq or Afghanistan.

Not that that makes us any better necessarily, just different.

barfo

True.

What was the goal again? Was it better than annexation?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

He's not done yet.

barfo

I'd be surprised if he was stupid enough to do the damage we did.

 

[barfo]

I'd be surprised if he was stupid enough to do the damage we did.

Time will tell. I know there are those who think Putin's brilliant, but I'm not so sure.
There's a possibility that he'll do much more damage, on purpose or by accident.

barfo

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Time will tell. I know there are those who think Putin's brilliant, but I'm not so sure.
There's a possibility that he'll do much more damage, on purpose or by accident.

barfo

Millions dead and almost 2 trillion dollars down? He's going to need to invade more countries if he wants to be like the American terrorists that run this country. He doesn't have to be brilliant to not do that.

 

[jonnyboy]

He's got a point

He's got a point

Wow. Spout some more Kremlin talking points, comrades.

 

[oldfisherman]

Millions dead and almost 2 trillion dollars down? He's going to need to invade more countries if he wants to be like the American terrorists that run this country. He doesn't have to be brilliant to not do that.

Millions dead? Hmmmm.

Since 9/11 (13 years), est casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria and Pakistan, are about the same number of casualties suffered by the Russian army in Ukraine in only 2 years. Now add in Ukraine casualties.

 

[crandc]

There are many things about US foreign policy that can be justly criticized. Without being a Putin apologist.

 

[jonnyboy]

Millions dead? Hmmmm.

Since 9/11 (13 years), est casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria and Pakistan, are about the same number of casualties suffered by the Russian army in Ukraine in only 2 years. Now add in Ukraine casualties.

Sorry bud, 900k dead in Iraq alone. You aren’t even in the correct universe here.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Millions dead? Hmmmm.

Since 9/11 (13 years), est casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria and Pakistan, are about the same number of casualties suffered by the Russian army in Ukraine in only 2 years. Now add in Ukraine casualties.

I want to know what world you're living in.

At least 4.5 million people died in post-9/11 warzones, a number that continues to grow after more than two decades, according to a new report from Brown University.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/

You think Russia is responsible for millions of deaths in two years time? You have to get off the mainstream news propaganda.

 

[oldfisherman]

Sorry bud, 900k dead in Iraq alone. You aren’t even in the correct universe here.

I want to know what world you're living in.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/

You think Russia is responsible for millions of deaths in two years time? You have to get off the mainstream news propaganda.

That many people may have died, BUT, no where near that many were killed by the US Military. People die everyday, everywhere. Pure propaganda bs.

Fuzzy math can create any meaningless result.
Example. A famous weightloss company claims you will lose 3 pounds per week on their program. Then why do they offer a lifetime membership?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

That many people may have died, BUT, no where near that many were killed by the US Military. People die everyday, everywhere. Pure propaganda bs.

Fuzzy math can create any meaningless result.
Example. A famous weightloss company claims you will lose 3 pounds per week on their program. Then why do they offer a lifetime membership?

US military is directly responsible because they started illegal wars in sovereign countries.

LMAO there's a reason why the Afghan people preferred the Taliban to the corrupt and murderous Americans. You shouldn't be talking about propaganda when your brain is ingrained with it. You don't believe "your side" is responsible for anything bad. Disingenuous and dishonest.

This is exactly why the establishment gets away with so much. Luckily the younger generation doesn't believe in the one-sided propaganda the msm espouses.

 

[Hoopguru]

US military is directly responsible because they started illegal wars in sovereign countries.

LMAO there's a reason why the Afghan people preferred the Taliban to the corrupt and murderous Americans. You shouldn't be talking about propaganda when your brain is ingrained with it. You don't believe "your side" is responsible for anything bad. Disingenuous and dishonest.

This is exactly why the establishment gets away with so much. Luckily the younger generation doesn't believe in the one-sided propaganda the msm espouses.

You actually think the Taliban are treating Afangis well? How about women's rights or does that matter? Just curious

 

[Sheldon Shape]

You actually think the Taliban are treating Afangis well? How about women's rights or does that matter? Just curious

That was the point. Afghans were so terrorized by the Americans, that they turned back to the awful Taliban. That tells you everything you need to know about America's presence in other countries. Don't forget America's hand in producing the Taliban.

 

[Hoopguru]

That was the point. Afghans were so terrorized by the Americans, that they turned back to the awful Taliban. That tells you everything you need to know about America's presence in other countries. Don't forget America's hand in producing the Taliban.

Dont buy it. Taliban are ruthless religious thugs that rule and kill women for wanting to be educated and or other women rights. They dont believe in the freedoms we have here in this country. Have a son that served in that region and he conveys that Taliban or as ruthless as ISIS.

 

[oldfisherman]

That was the point. Afghans were so terrorized by the Taliban, that they were clinging to and some falling from planes. Trying to get to the US. .

Fixed it for you.

90,000 Afgans are waiting for approval of their US special immigrant visa (SIV).

Due to being hunted by the Taliban. Hundreds have traveled to Bazil and then making the 11 country trip to the open US southern border.

This article is a year old. All 90,000 are still waiting for their SIV, well, the ones left that the Taliban have not killed yet.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hundreds-afghans-risk-11-country-trek-seek-haven-united-states-2023-02-01/#:~:text=About 90,000 Afghans are awaiting,process to streamline wherever possible.”

 

[Hoopguru]

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[Sheldon Shape]

Dont buy it. Taliban are ruthless religious thugs that rule and kill women for wanting to be educated and or other women rights. They dont believe in the freedoms we have here in this country. Have a son that served in that region and he conveys that Taliban or as ruthless as ISIS.

There's nothing to buy. It's a fact. Nothing you said about the Taliban negates my point.

Kinda gotta wonder how bad the Americans were if they preferred the Taliban.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Fixed it for you.

90,000 Afgans are waiting for approval of their US special immigrant visa (SIV).

Due to being hunted by the Taliban. Hundreds have traveled to Bazil and then making the 11 country trip to the open US southern border.

This article is a year old. All 90,000 are still waiting for their SIV, well, the ones left that the Taliban have not killed yet.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hundreds-afghans-risk-11-country-trek-seek-haven-united-states-2023-02-01/#:~:text=About 90,000 Afghans are awaiting,process to streamline wherever possible.”

This is both true and does not negate my point...

 

[jonnyboy]

That was the point. Afghans were so terrorized by the Americans, that they turned back to the awful Taliban. That tells you everything you need to know about America's presence in other countries. Don't forget America's hand in producing the Taliban.

There’s nothing you can say to change their mind dude. You even relented that the taliban was indeed awful and made the great point that people actually preferring it must mean the alternative is worse.

Their answer? “The taliban is bad tho”. Somehow the phrase “millions dead” doesn’t resonate with them.

 

[jonnyboy]

Dead bodies aren’t a quantifiable unit in boomer neocon mathematics. They just equal “0”. They much prefer the arithmetic of jets and missiles and dollars.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

There’s nothing you can say to change their mind dude. You even relented that the taliban was indeed awful and made the great point that people actually preferring it must mean the alternative is worse.

Their answer? “The taliban is bad tho”. Somehow the phrase “millions dead” doesn’t resonate with them.

Probably old-heads who had no choice but to eat up American propaganda due to no alternative in news consumption. I don't blame them. My dad is kind of the same. Even after he readily admits the U.S. destroyed his country and many others.

We're lucky that we have access to so many other sources of information. This is why there's such a generational divide on Gaza. Even amongst Jews. Older folks have been brainwashed for decades by mainstream outlets. It's not that different than conservatives brainwashed by Fox.

 

[barfo]

Is it really true that Afghanis "prefer" the Taliban? How would we know that? It's not like they were elected, or there are any reliable polls on the subject.

But if they do prefer the Taliban, by how much? Is it 100%:0%? 50.1%:49.9%?

What if you include 'none of the above' in the poll?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The Taliban in Afghanistan did the ultimate Fuck Around and Find Out.

 

[barfo]

Probably old-heads who had no choice but to eat up American propaganda due to no alternative in news consumption. I don't blame them. My dad is kind of the same. Even after he readily admits the U.S. destroyed his country and many others.

We're lucky that we have access to so many other sources of information. This is why there's such a generational divide on Gaza. Even amongst Jews. Older folks have been brainwashed for decades by mainstream outlets. It's not that different than conservatives brainwashed by Fox.

Everyone who is old remembers the days when they were young and they thought they knew everything and old people were stupid.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

barfo

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Everyone who is old remembers the days when they were young and they thought they knew everything and old people were stupid.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

barfo

I don't know everything. I don't speak about things I don't know of. You should give it a try. ;-)

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Is it really true that Afghanis "prefer" the Taliban? How would we know that? It's not like they were elected, or there are any reliable polls on the subject.

But if they do prefer the Taliban, by how much? Is it 100%:0%? 50.1%:49.9%?

What if you include 'none of the above' in the poll?

barfo

There's been plenty of polling along the years. I'm sure every period of time is different than the others. There's a lot of good info on Google and Youtube.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[barfo]

There's been plenty of polling along the years. I'm sure every period of time is different than the others. There's a lot of good info on Google and Youtube.

Oh, that can't possibly be the case. After all, I'm old, and I have access to Google and Youtube.
The information I'm requesting must exist on the special media sources that only you young people have access to. So please, provide a link to these polls you speak of.

barfo

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Oh, that can't possibly be the case. After all, I'm old, and I have access to Google and Youtube.
The information I'm requesting must exist on the special media sources that only you young people have access to. So please, provide a link to these polls you speak of.

barfo

No, you're right. You're an adult. You're perfectly capable using the internets to find the polling you need.

I wish you the best of luck.

 

[barfo]

No, you're right. You're an adult. You're perfectly capable using the internets to find the polling you need.

I wish you the best of luck.

I don't yet believe it actually exists, although I'm sure you pulled it from somewhere other than your butt, right?

I did find some polling that said that 94% of Afghanis think they are suffering, and 53% want to move to a western country like the USA.
Odd that the majority would want to leave for the west if they prefer the Taliban as you claim. Maybe you can explain that.

barfo