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Rastapopoulos said:
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Right of return? That is one of the most idiotic discussion topics on the matter.
Right of return = annihilation of Israel.
Anyone that can't understand that knows nothing about the conflict and its origins.
By posting these kind of ideation you promote a false 'oppressed' narrative of people just wanting to go back home..
You do realise there are millions of Arabs living in Israel and have the same rights?
Right of return means - Let those who identify as Palestinians allow whoever we want in Israel so we become majority and then democratically turn Israel into Palestine..
Once you realise why immegration rules apply for each country - you realise why a 'right of return' is just easy to digest nonsense propaganda for the massess..
 
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Israel hits more than 100 targets around Tehran...
Military bases, residential buildings, assassinations...
These Are Top Generals and Scientists Killed...
Natanz Nuclear Facility Destroyed...
Strategic airport wiped out...
Blitz was years in the making...
How Mossad infiltrated heart of Iran... Secret base behind enemy lines...
IDF: 'At the end there will be no nuclear threat'...
In Twist, U.S. Diplomacy Served as Cover for Surprise Attack...
Helped lull Iran into belief no action was imminent...
VIDEO: Netanyahu Explains... Prayed at western wall before launching...
Minister Warns Foes Seeking Its Destruction 'Will Be Eliminated'...
PHOTOS SHOW AFTERMATH... LIVE FEED...

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ISRAEL ATTACKS IRAN
FULL WAR RISK
OPERATION: RISING LION
REPORT: USA COULD JOIN
WORLD ON EDGE
RETALIATION FEAR
TEL AVIV MOVES HOSPITAL UNDERGROUND
UPDATES
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Israel hits more than 100 targets around Tehran...
Military bases, residential buildings, assassinations...
These Are Top Generals and Scientists Killed...
Natanz Nuclear Facility Destroyed...
Strategic airport wiped out...
Blitz was years in the making...
How Mossad infiltrated heart of Iran... Secret base behind enemy lines...
IDF: 'At the end there will be no nuclear threat'...
In Twist, U.S. Diplomacy Served as Cover for Surprise Attack...
Helped lull Iran into belief no action was imminent...
VIDEO: Netanyahu Explains... Prayed at western wall before launching...
Minister Warns Foes Seeking Its Destruction 'Will Be Eliminated'...
PHOTOS SHOW AFTERMATH... LIVE FEED...

GtSblhHW4AARds6

ISRAEL ATTACKS IRAN
FULL WAR RISK
OPERATION: RISING LION
REPORT: USA COULD JOIN
WORLD ON EDGE
RETALIATION FEAR
TEL AVIV MOVES HOSPITAL UNDERGROUND
UPDATES
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If that regime crumbles there will be a chance for peace in the middle east. The Iranian people would love and appreciate that, I bet.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Good thing "we" elected a "Peace President" who can stop a war with just one phone call. He must still be fumbling in his pockets trying to find a quarter......oops, now he needs a handful of quarters. Where's a damn pay phone when you need one???
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Israel is the bad cop, U.S is the good cop. Carrot and a stick of negotiations.
Having Iran's regime weakend will only stabilize the region and promote U.S hegemony and economic relations - which will lead to financial benefit to americans.. seems like a win win IMO.
 
noknobs said:
And then you woke up.
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You mean the woke woke up. Yes.
People living in America just don't get they can't read the global realities using their own set of values and apply it on others. It just doesnt work. And then they expect others to 'wake up' when they are the ones who are actually sleeping..
 
2Fluffy4U said:
You mean the woke woke up. Yes.
People living in America just don't get they can't read the global realities using their own set of values and apply it on others. It just doesnt work. And then they expect others to 'wake up' when they are the ones who are actually sleeping..
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Thank God you've got it all figured out.
 
Call me crazy but the country who has attacked 6 of its neighbors in the past year, still committing a genocide and is armed with nuclear weapons, is the bad guy.

If Israel wants to attack Iran, let them pay for it and keep the U.S. out of it when our people can't even have healthcare.

Anyone who disagrees should not be trusted.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Israel is the bad cop, U.S is the good cop. Carrot and a stick of negotiations.
Having Iran's regime weakend will only stabilize the region and promote U.S hegemony and economic relations - which will lead to financial benefit to americans.. seems like a win win IMO.
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I don't think I want Iran to be run by Bibi, Putin, and Trump's friends... I doubt that leads to more peace...
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Israel is the bad cop, U.S is the good cop. Carrot and a stick of negotiations.
Having Iran's regime weakend will only stabilize the region and promote U.S hegemony and economic relations - which will lead to financial benefit to americans.. seems like a win win IMO.
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So you're one of those 'Murrica Firsters" apparently. As long as you have money in your pockets and 'Murrica has "hegemony" it's okay for people to die. Got it. Because 'Murrica is the only country that matters. No wonder we are so fucked.
 
"Israel’s strikes on Iran killed at least 78 people, including senior military officials, Iran’s UN envoy Amir Saeid Iravani said during a UN Security Council meeting on Friday.

More than 320 people were injured, most of them civilians, Iravani said.

Iravani placed blame on the US for sharing intelligence and “political support” with Israel.

“Those who support this regime with the United States at the forefront must understand that by aiding and enabling this crime by they share full responsibility for the consequences,” he said.

Iravani also accused the US of supplying weapons Israel used in the attacks

“We will not forget that our people lost their lives as a result of the Israeli attacks with American weapons,” Iravani said."
 
Ok guys..so let Iran have nuclear weapons. I guess you also wouldn't mind them nuking Israel or at least let Hamas and the Palestinians kill all Israelis from the river to the sea..
Sure.. no problem.
All you care about is human lives.
Right.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Israel is the bad cop, U.S is the good cop. Carrot and a stick of negotiations.
Having Iran's regime weakend will only stabilize the region and promote U.S hegemony and economic relations - which will lead to financial benefit to americans.. seems like a win win IMO.
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Financial benefits for Persians, Arabs, & Jews.....
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Ok guys..so let Iran have nuclear weapons. I guess you also wouldn't mind them nuking Israel or at least let Hamas and the Palestinians kill all Israelis from the river to the sea..
Sure.. no problem.
All you care about is human lives.
Right.
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I seriously doubt anyone said that.
 
In the big picture a small thing but any word about Deni? He would have done mandatory military service but I believe they are still reservists afterwards. I do realize in all out war there are much bigger concerns than whether a Blazer could be called up.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
Iran nuke facilities NOT destroyed, experts say...
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WTF?!? This should have been Israel's main objective. They should have gotten the MOP bomb from the US before attacking Iran. Now, who knows where the enriched uranium is? Doesn't take much to make a dirty bomb. This is beyond dumb.


Iran’s nuclear facilities damaged but not destroyed, experts say

Israel’s airstrikes on Iran’s nuclear sites have damaged some aboveground research facilities and infrastructure but do not appear to have eliminated the thousands of centrifuges, buried deep underground, that enrich near-weapons-grade uranium or the hundreds of pounds of material they have already produced, according to a wide range of nonproliferation and Iranian experts.

In launching the attacks, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the Iranian program poses an existential threat that Israel intends to destroy. “We struck at the heart of Iran’s nuclear enrichment program,” he said in an address to the nation early Friday.

But judging by reports and statements from both countries, as well as videos and overhead imagery of the sites hit so far — and those as yet unscathed — no irreversible damage has been done, experts said.

“Until I know that Fordow is gone and until I know where that … highly-enriched uranium is and know whether it’s usable, I consider us on the clock,” said Richard Nephew, a lead U.S. negotiator with Iran under the Obama administration and now a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “That’s all that matters now.”

Fordow, located outside the city of Qom about 100 miles south of Tehran, is one of two large underground enrichment facilities in Iran and the most deeply buried. The other is Natanz, another 100 miles south in the province of Isfahan. The only conventional munition believed capable of damaging their subterranean enrichment bunkers is the United States’ Massive Ordnance Penetrator, a 30,000 pound precision-guided bomb that Israel does not possess.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/othe...ged-but-not-destroyed-experts-say/ar-AA1GGmnb
 
It was known and not a surprise Israel alone can't remove / destroy all nuclear facilities.
However, this attack did send Iran's abilty to weaponize nuclear arms back for substantial period of time, while in addition - cleared Iran anti-air systems.
The reality is - now more than ever Iran is at a tipping point in which they need to decide of their future. Go all out against Israel and risk loosing the regime, or reach a nuclear deal forefiting any option for weaponizing nuclear energy but staying in power.
Either way - looking at it via global geopolitics - the question is who will be the 'landlord' of this area (middle east) - Saudia Arabia along with USA and Israel, or Iran along with China and Russia..
 
Making peace on unfavorable terms is very likely to result in loss of power at home, especially if you are already unpopular.
Making war is a great way to stay in power (at least unless/until you are defeated), especially if you are unpopular.
It makes political sense for both sides to keep on fighting.

barfo
 
Israel has been telling us Iran is 15 minutes away from a nuclear weapon since 1995. How people still believe this garbage I have no idea...

Maybe when Israel gives up it's secret nuclear program, Iran will too. Since they're the ones actually committing a genocide right now...
 
Sheldon Shape said:
Israel has been telling us Iran is 15 minutes away from a nuclear weapon since 1995. How people still believe this garbage I have no idea...

Maybe when Israel gives up it's secret nuclear program, Iran will too. Since they're the ones actually committing a genocide right now...
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Iran is the one chanting 'Death to Israel, Death to America'. Israel has nothing against the Iranian people and actually like them a lot.

Israel is not doing any 'genocide' in Gaza.
If it was - there wouldnt be any Gazan in gaza by now don't you think?

Once you have a neigbouring country willing and able to go house to house and kill you - you unfortunatly must remove the threat/ability.

Sorry for the world suffering from this conflict, but frankly - there is no moral question at all for this. Israel must win this for a better world (IMO).
I do think the Moral campus got lost in the past few years and people get confused in not realising there is no 'pure good' or 'pure evil'. Only intrests. My intrests is for western democratic values that seperate religion from regime to hold and prevail.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Iran is the one chanting 'Death to Israel, Death to America'. Israel has nothing against the Iranian people and actually like them a lot.
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Rhetoric is not action. If we were going by that, then how do you explain "Death to the Arabs" on repeat by the Israelis?

Israel is not doing any 'genocide' in Gaza.
If it was - there wouldnt be any Gazan in gaza by now don't you think?
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By that standard the Nazis were not doing a genocide to the Jews, right? Give me a break, dude. The international courts and every other nation outside of the U.S. and Europe agree that it's a genocide. You don't have to kill everyone for it to be a genocide. Go take a look at the definition.

Once you have a neigbouring country willing and able to go house to house and kill you - you unfortunatly must remove the threat/ability.
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Every allegation is an admission. Israel has been doing this for 70+ years.

Sorry for the world suffering from this conflict, but frankly - there is no moral question at all for this. Israel must win this for a better world (IMO).
I do think the Moral campus got lost in the past few years and people get confused in not realising there is no 'pure good' or 'pure evil'. Only intrests. My intrests is for western democratic values that seperate religion from regime to hold and prevail.
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Is having a racist ethnostate a Western democratic value? I think not. That's what Israel is. All of Israel's actions in the past two years are making it harder for peaceful Jews across the world to exist. They aren't improving the world. They are making it more dangerous for everyone.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
It was known and not a surprise Israel alone can't remove / destroy all nuclear facilities.
However, this attack did send Iran's abilty to weaponize nuclear arms back for substantial period of time, while in addition - cleared Iran anti-air systems.
The reality is - now more than ever Iran is at a tipping point in which they need to decide of their future. Go all out against Israel and risk loosing the regime, or reach a nuclear deal forefiting any option for weaponizing nuclear energy but staying in power.
Either way - looking at it via global geopolitics - the question is who will be the 'landlord' of this area (middle east) - Saudia Arabia along with USA and Israel, or Iran along with China and Russia..
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There are a number of arab countries that want the Islamic regime in Iran gone, and are turning their heads hoping it happens soon. They know Iran/Mullahs do not want peace in the region. Now's the time to give back to the Iranian people their country.
 
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Apologies - didn't grasp the quoting mechanic here well yet.

Sheldon Shape said:
Rhetoric is not action. If we were going by that, then how do you explain "Death to the Arabs" on repeat by the Israelis?
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"Death to Arabs" was never a call by the Israeli leaders. Iran Leader preaches for it often. Rhetoric is meaningful depending on who says it and their role.

By that standard the Nazis were not doing a genocide to the Jews, right? Give me a break, dude. The international courts and every other nation outside of the U.S. and Europe agree that it's a genocide. You don't have to kill everyone for it to be a genocide. Go take a look at the definition.

The difference is - The Nazi wanted to kill Jews. They wanted the Jews annihilation.
I can promise you 100%!!!! - the minute Hamas releases all living hostages and dead bodies - The war will end.
Ask yourself how come Hamas is not "surrendering" if this is a Genocide.

Every allegation is an admission. Israel has been doing this for 70+ years.

Doing what? Living aside people who want them dead? yeah..

Is having a racist ethnostate a Western democratic value? I think not. That's what Israel is. All of Israel's actions in the past two years are making it harder for peaceful Jews across the world to exist. They aren't improving the world. They are making it more dangerous for everyone.[/QUOTE]

What differs Germany from France? Answer that simple question without feeling guilt for having a culture of people united together..
Lets say all of India population wants to move to America and live in the U.S. Would it become an Ethnostate?
 
2Fluffy4U said:
I can promise you 100%!!!! - the minute Hamas releases all living hostages and dead bodies - The war will end.
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I don't think you are in any position to promise that, unless your name IRL is Bibi.

barfo
 
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