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[riverman]

Btw.. any updates or news regarding current situation in Iran?
Is it being discussed? Do people care?
Last I heard reports noted around 5k to 20k protestors killed by the IRGC.
20k civilians proper. Not militants, not terrorists. Civilians - indescremently.
Any moral stance here is required?

Trump rattled a sabre threatening Iran if they killed more people after only 1000 or so had been killed...he has apparently forgotten where Iran is or what is happening. It's something I wish the United Nations would show some balls in dealing with. My understanding is that a huge percentage of Iran's population is under 30 years of age or thereabout. The old mullah's are quickly falling out of favor and dying out. It's horrible how many people they've killed. I'm upset here over the killing of one innocent woman protester..I can't imagine 20,000 to cope with.

 

[Hoopguru]

Its really sad how the Mullahs security forces along with hired Hezbolla mercenaries are kiling their own people to keep religious order.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[riverman]

Remains of the last hostage have been returned to Israel today. RIP Ran Gvili...victim of senseless murder.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Remains of the last hostage have been returned to Israel today. RIP Ran Gvili...victim of senseless murder.

Well, I guess that means Israel pulls back and leaves the Palestinians alone now, right?

Right?

I mean, that was the plan this whole time wasn't it? It wasn't about expanding the borders of Israel, right? Or Bibi maintaining power.

Right?

 

[2Fluffy4U]

Well, I guess that means Israel pulls back and leaves the Palestinians alone now, right?

Right?

I mean, that was the plan this whole time wasn't it? It wasn't about expanding the borders of Israel, right? Or Bibi maintaining power.

Right?

To answer your question, this means we have entered phase 2 of the deal the was brokered in Oct 2025.
You can keep things simplified (a la "Leave Palestinians alone") or you can invest some time reading and learning as to what is actually going on.
Here is a nice article recommended for review on the topic:

The Transition to Phase II in the Gaza Strip—An Unprecedented Challenge for Israel | INSS

President Trump and his envoy Steve Witkoff announced on January 14 and 15 the start of Phase II of the 20-point plan for stabilizing and rehabilitating the Gaza Strip, initiated by the president in October 2025 and approved as UN Security Council Resolution 2803 in November. They also declared...

www.inss.org.il

 

[riverman]

To answer your question, this means we have entered phase 2 of the deal the was brokered in Oct 2025.
You can keep things simplified (a la "Leave Palestinians alone") or you can invest some time reading and learning as to what is actually going on.
Here is a nice article recommended for review on the topic:

The Transition to Phase II in the Gaza Strip—An Unprecedented Challenge for Israel | INSS

President Trump and his envoy Steve Witkoff announced on January 14 and 15 the start of Phase II of the 20-point plan for stabilizing and rehabilitating the Gaza Strip, initiated by the president in October 2025 and approved as UN Security Council Resolution 2803 in November. They also declared...

www.inss.org.il

I can assure you that Donald Trump is the last person you want stabilizing a country. It’s actually an oxymoron to say that

 

[Phatguysrule]

To answer your question, this means we have entered phase 2 of the deal the was brokered in Oct 2025.
You can keep things simplified (a la "Leave Palestinians alone") or you can invest some time reading and learning as to what is actually going on.
Here is a nice article recommended for review on the topic:

The Transition to Phase II in the Gaza Strip—An Unprecedented Challenge for Israel | INSS

President Trump and his envoy Steve Witkoff announced on January 14 and 15 the start of Phase II of the 20-point plan for stabilizing and rehabilitating the Gaza Strip, initiated by the president in October 2025 and approved as UN Security Council Resolution 2803 in November. They also declared...

www.inss.org.il

There was actually just a data dump and it included this video of Bibi and Trump's phase 2 plans for Gaza

 

[2Fluffy4U]

I can assure you that Donald Trump is the last person you want stabilizing a country. It’s actually an oxymoron to say that

Not sure what you guys are saying..
Phase 1 done. How did Gvilli return to Israel? Just out of Hamas good will?
Phase 1 done. Now Phase 2 is in motion. I am not making shit up. This is what is going on.. who cares or said anything about Trump?
This is the current reality of what is going on right now.

 

[2Fluffy4U]

There was actually just a data dump and it included this video of Bibi and Trump's phase 2 plans for Gaza

Again.. keeping it simple I see.
Please I beg you. Read the article and lets discuss about more complex issues than he said she said

 

[riverman]

Not sure what you guys are saying..
Phase 1 done. How did Gvilli return to Israel? Just out of Hamas good will?
Phase 1 done. Now Phase 2 is in motion. I am not making shit up. This is what is going on.. who cares or said anything about Trump?
This is the current reality of what is going on right now.

I understand Palestinians returned the remains. I'm the one who cares and cautioned you Trump cannot be trusted to stabilize anything. I've known that about Trump since the early 70s. You can also gauge the geopolitical landscape by seeing what's going on with our own domestic protests right now as well. We don't know each other but this is where we can have the dialogues. I can point fingers at atrocities right here in my homeland but I appreciate your perspective. How would I know if a Palestinian affiliated with Hamas acted in good will or not? I don't know the specifics of the exchange. Controversial topics should be fuel for knowledge that hopefully can inform those who aren't there.

 

[2Fluffy4U]

I understand Palestinians returned the remains. I'm the one who cares and cautioned you Trump cannot be trusted to stabilize anything. I've known that about Trump since the early 70s. You can also gauge the geopolitical landscape by seeing what's going on with our own domestic protests right now as well. We don't know each other but this is where we can have the dialogues. I can point fingers at atrocities right here in my homeland but I appreciate your perspective. How would I know if a Palestinian affiliated with Hamas acted in good will or not? I don't know the specifics of the exchange. Controversial topics should be fuel for knowledge that hopefully can inform those who aren't there. Telling me accomplishes much more than asking why I don't know.

I Sure appreciate your input and views, and you always lead a good faith and calm discussions and that is so so important and I am happy to be able to share views and learn from you.
My original recent post was replying to phats about what I believe to be a 'simplfying' notion that now that all hostages are out Israel is 'leaving Palestinians alone'.
I wanted to make sure people can actually know what goes on right now. (By referring the deal phases).
Your reply suprised me because I have not mentioned Trump nor said anything about if he should be trusted or not. To my own POV - I don't mind it be Trump or Biden or whoever. I was referring that the reality is the deal is progressing - phases are being completed and a lot of pressure is set upon both Israel and Palesinian factions. Thats that..
Hope this clarifies my comment..
And yeah - as someone not living in the U.S - my intrests are in fact different from someone who does - so I mind less as to what a certain leader means to their own people. Is Trump someone I would vote for? Hell no. Are his actual actions promote Israeli interests IMO? Yes. On more occasions than Bidens actions.
Am I aware he can sell Israel in heart beat for his personal gains? Hell yeah.. I know the players.. and we are playing the game..

 

[Phatguysrule]

I Sure appreciate your input and views, and you always lead a good faith and calm discussions and that is so so important and I am happy to be able to share views and learn from you.
My original recent post was replying to phats about what I believe to be a 'simplfying' notion that now that all hostages are out Israel is 'leaving Palestinians alone'.
I wanted to make sure people can actually know what goes on right now. (By referring the deal phases).
Your reply suprised me because I have not mentioned Trump nor said anything about if he should be trusted or not. To my own POV - I don't mind it be Trump or Biden or whoever. I was referring that the reality is the deal is progressing - phases are being completed and a lot of pressure is set upon both Israel and Palesinian factions. Thats that..
Hope this clarifies my comment..
And yeah - as someone not living in the U.S - my intrests are in fact different from someone who does - so I mind less as to what a certain leader means to their own people. Is Trump someone I would vote for? Hell no. Are his actual actions promote Israeli interests IMO? Yes. On more occasions than Bidens actions.
Am I aware he can sell Israel in heart beat for his personal gains? Hell yeah.. I know the players.. and we are playing the game..

Biden was plenty friendly to Israel. probably too friendly.

Trump is stupid corrupt with Bibi. And it'll cause far more antisemitism moving forward.

 

[Hoopguru]

Im a bit surprised at the lack of outrage and/or protest against the massacre of Iranians by their own government/religious fucks.

 

[ehizzy3]

Biden was plenty friendly to Israel. probably too friendly.

Trump is stupid corrupt with Bibi. And it'll cause far more antisemitism moving forward.

Biden was too friendly, that’s a big reason why Kamala lost to Trump