OT Might be problems with our food chain this summer or fall, so thinking about planting garden

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got a cardboard box of pears today from my tree...more to come...a great year for my pears...last year I only got a few...pruned the tree last fall and it's loaded this year
 
e_blazer said:
You were right. There is a problem with the food chain this summer. Frickin' raccoons are eating the butternut squash out of my garden.
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There are hog farmers who only feed their animals apples or walnuts or other diets like that. It supposedly flavors the meat.

Butternut squash flavored raccoon might be delicious. Catch one and let us know.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
There are hog farmers who only feed their animals apples or walnuts or other diets like that. It supposedly flavors the meat.

Butternut squash flavored raccoon might be delicious. Catch one and let us know.
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You care to drop by and give it a go?
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crandc said:
Trying to make a dent in tomatoes and figs. Made vegetable soup, minestrone, gazpacho and then put up five points of fig strawberry jam. A tray of figs dehydrating. Finally sitting down for a minute.
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Raw ripe figs are the best!
Minestrone soup when properly made is the best.
 
Trouble with fresh figs is they are so perishable. If they aren't used in a couple of days they start to ferment. Learned from experience I can't eat more than two in a day.
 
crandc said:
Trouble with fresh figs is they are so perishable. If they aren't used in a couple of days they start to ferment. Learned from experience I can't eat more than two in a day.
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We just kept some in the frig for about five days. I could only eat one a day and our friend gave us five. I eat them in one bite. Love them out of the refrigerator.
 
Hoopguru said:
While camping along the coast, my wife didn't approve when I said we used to take a spike like this for camp meet.

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She obviously doesn't understand what goes along with being omnivorous. My wife has never had to think about this also since groceries of this sort always magically appear at the supermarket wrapped in plastic wrap in the refrigerated meat section.
 
e_blazer said:
Ha, like I'd share that with the likes of you! ;)

Besides, the little SOB goes over my fence around 4:00 am and I know that you need all of the beauty sleep you can get.
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beat it to death with a stick. Seems to be allowed downtown anyhow
 
In the Bay Area there is a private animal control that sets humane traps and removed animals. They have taken away a large number of raccoons from my yard. Other animals we just release except a couple of times when possums snapped their jaws at me. Atypical behavior that could indicate rabies.
 
Orion Bailey said:
beat it to death with a stick. Seems to be allowed downtown anyhow
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I know you hate it like I do but, please, don't even joke about it.
It's one thing to kill an animal for food but to torture it is unconscionable. I use to get pissed off in the woods when hunting big game and would hear some hunter in the far distance shooting several shots which tells me there's an asshole loose in the woods. It should only take one or two shots, three at the most, to kill a deer or elk. I believe in one shot, one kill and only for food.
This reminds me of the creeps who burned cats dangling upside down from a bridge and how I'd probably gotten myself beat badly by attacking their asses where they stood. I hate that shit.
Good God, I've gone off again, not off topic 'off' but off like set off as in a bomb or shot.
 
Lanny said:
I know you hate it like I do but, please, don't even joke about it.
It's one thing to kill an animal for food but to torture it is unconscionable. I use to get pissed off in the woods when hunting big game and would hear some hunter in the far distance shooting several shots which tells me there's an asshole loose in the woods. It should only take one or two shots, three at the most, to kill a deer or elk. I believe in one shot, one kill and only for food.
This reminds me of the creeps who burned cats dangling upside down from a bridge and how I'd probably gotten myself beat badly by attacking their asses where they stood. I hate that shit.
Good God, I've gone off again, not off topic 'off' but off like set off as in a bomb or shot.
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ohh it was not a funny joke. It was a cynical hateful joke, full of snark and angst.
I still get red thinking about it.

one of the few things that could seriously cause me to lose control. Do that in person and....

Torturing and brutally murdering animals is worse to me than doing it to humans. Animals are instinctual and innocent beings.
 
Animals go where food is. If it is inconvenient for us, that doesn't give us the right to torture them. Since a raccoon killed my cat Sophie I've had little mercy. They are the only trapped animals I have killed except for possibly rabid ones. But not tortured.

I have variously found in traps skunks, foxes, rats, birds, a neighbor's cat (stuck all night in pouring rain), squirrels. Squirrels drive me nuts because they devour my fruit, I wrap trees in net and put mild electrical charge in fence. Snakes can get in and out. They all go their way in peace.
 
crandc said:
Animals go where food is. If it is inconvenient for us, that doesn't give us the right to torture them. Since a raccoon killed my cat Sophie I've had little mercy. They are the only trapped animals I have killed except for possibly rabid ones. But not tortured.

I have variously found in traps skunks, foxes, rats, birds, a neighbor's cat (stuck all night in pouring rain), squirrels. Squirrels drive me nuts because they devour my fruit, I wrap trees in net and put mild electrical charge in fence. Snakes can get in and out. They all go their way in peace.
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i get it and protecting ones own is totally fine. And i get the personal pain of the loss of the pet so i understand your stance, i don't agree with killing though. But if you must, Just be humane about it.

there is also the option to trap and hand over to the humane society or take out into the wilderness and release.

im sorry i shouldn't have posted what i did and i can delete as to not take one of the few positive threads in S2 off track. :)

its just any mention of raccoons right now puts that damned video in my head aNd i get pissed.
Btw, curious. Not questioning just confirming, are you positive it was the coon that ate your cat?

though they didn't play, a coon and its babies used to come up on our back deck at night and eat our cat’s food aNd our cat would sit and watch and they basically got along.
 
Yeah, it was a raccoon. Trouble with just releasing is we humans have encroached on wild land until there isn't much left, that's why animals come to our yards to feed.
 
Orion Bailey said:
ohh it was not a funny joke. It was a cynical hateful joke, full of snark and angst.
I still get red thinking about it.

one of the few things that could seriously cause me to lose control. Do that in person and....

Torturing and brutally murdering animals is worse to me than doing it to humans. Animals are instinctual and innocent beings.
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I have always believed and always will believe that torturing a human is infinitely worse than torturing an animal although both are terrible.
I've always been revolted how people care more about animals than they care about children.
Don't get me wrong, I care a lot about how people treat animals, well, animals that have developed brains and nerve systems such as dogs and cats, but it's just that it really pains me to see children that go hungry or are treated badly or even murdered.
I think I read somewhere that how people treat animals predicts how they will treat other people. Catch them early when they first begin treating animals badly.
I also agree that, just like a child, most highly developed animals display a trusting and innocence that makes it particularly horrific to see them get terribly mistreated.
 
crandc said:
Yeah, it was a raccoon. Trouble with just releasing is we humans have encroached on wild land until there isn't much left, that's why animals come to our yards to feed.
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That raccoon that raided our garbage can when I was 14, was the cutest thing to me at the time. I still remember it with great fondness.
 
I can no longer see them as cute. Not just my cat, a raccoon killed my neighbor's little dog and turtles and they have wreaked havoc in my garden, worse than squirrels even. Still would not torture, humane traps and quick death.
 
Lanny said:
I have always believed and always will believe that torturing a human is infinitely worse than torturing an animal although both are terrible.
I've always been revolted how people care more about animals than they care about children.
Don't get me wrong, I care a lot about how people treat animals, well, animals that have developed brains and nerve systems such as dogs and cats, but it's just that it really pains me to see children that go hungry or are treated badly or even murdered.
I think I read somewhere that how people treat animals predicts how they will treat other people. Catch them early when they first begin treating animals badly.
I also agree that, just like a child, most highly developed animals display a trusting and innocence that makes it particularly horrific to see them get terribly mistreated.
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the only reason i feel that way is because humans are deceitful and dishonest. Animals are innocent and instinctual.
He have the ability to reason. And when we fail at that them we have no one to blame but themselves. Sometimes humans do stupid things that put ourselves in a position, however horrible, to be the recipient of such treachery.
However animals do not.
For example. I would not do it myself, but if humans had take someone like Hitler Nd tortured him? It wouldn't bother near as much as torturing a raccoon, or taking a squirrel and hanging it off a balcony tied to a string and light its tail on fire or drowning a kitten....

I had to put a dog of mine down when i was 12 or so. And it was one of the worst moments of my life to take the dogs life even though it was for its benefit as it was hit by a car and suffering badly. The feeling would be the same or worse for a human. Its situational i suppose.
I just see humans as more evil than animals and so in a general sense i feel more for them because we bring it on ourselves and they do not.

and as evidence, while im typing, i feel nothing typing about torturing hitler but my heart starts racing thinking about the animals i just described.
Thar is why i feel its worse... in general.
That said, Of course an innocent baby would have a bigger impact on me than an animal.
 
crandc said:
I can no longer see them as cute. Not just my cat, a raccoon killed my neighbor's little dog and turtles and they have wreaked havoc in my garden, worse than squirrels even. Still would not torture, humane traps and quick death.
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My parents had a cat and a large German shepherd. The dog would chase the raccoons up a tall fir tree near our front door. It would then stand at the trunk of the tree looking up and barking while running back and forth near the trunk. The cat was a male cat not neutered so it had plenty of spunk and would go up the tree after the raccoons which had one by one at night killed all of our pet chickens in the chicken coop. The cat would always come back all beaten up. One time it came back while missing a front fang and having a large gash in it's side so bad that we had to take it to the vet. The vet was a famous one in town who was the official vet of the Trail Blazers and my father-in-law at the time. That cat was absolutely fearless. I can only imagine that the raccoon had the fight of his life. No harm to the dog and the cat continued to give the raccoons hell.
Another time when we had the property up for sale some agent of some Japanese wealthy industrialist of some sort was moving to Portland and needed a place to build a nice home the agent came to look at the property. The property was located in a prime area of Portland near the council crest area. It had beautiful woulds which were well kept by a former federal arborist. It had a ravine, rabbits, pheasant, a small creek and was beautiful. Across the ravine was a neighborhood that had a Street of Dreams on Dosch road. Right while I was talking to the agent about the beauty of the wildlife and the cute raccoons. A family walked about ten feet from us toward a fir tree which they then climbed up. The agent was astounded because it was as if on cue. We haggled over the price and he decided he could steal a deal elsewhere. We eventually sold for our full asking price which was plenty and included the lot my parents gave to me and my wife. We got the prime lot and the most money which I used to get my second degree. In my opinion, the Japanese guy lost out on a great deal, especially since he could have combined our lot in with the other four had one of the best home in the SW hills.
 
Fig ginger jam. Might have to start including jam with cookies. IMG_20200831_090901.jpg
 
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