Mike Budenholzer, anyone?

[kjironman1]

Funny to me how you could have asked this very same question two weeks ago and people would have called you crazy for even suggesting there would be a question. That is exactly what people mean by "coaches get way too much credit for winning and even more credit for losing".

 

[e_blazer]

Risk v reward. My worthless opinion is that Bud is a somewhat better regular season coach, but just as weak in the play-offs. Bottom line, I can't get emotionally invested in defending either one.

I try to look at it like which variables are likely to have the biggest impact on outcome. I’d say that the coach variable (Stotts vs Bud) is less of a factor on the Blazers record than the fact that the lineup at times had Anthony Tolliver at center and had to play Biggie Swanigan minutes in actual games.

 

[blazerkor]

At least Bud’s teams have a .500 winning percentage in the playoffs and a .582 regular season winning percentage. His system may not be perfect but it’s considerably better than Stotts’ iso ball system. Stotts’ career 0.344 win % in the playoffs proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

And at least Bud’s teams are competitive in the playoffs and don’t just get swept out of the playoffs year after year like Stotts’ teams. Bud’s body of work, on the whole, is at a completely different level than Stotts and there is no arguing against that.

I think Stotts actually runs the pick and roll more than he runs iso plays but I could be wrong. The pick and roll is the most effective play in the NBA. @BonesJones would point out that the action going on away from the pick and roll and having a variety of plays that you can go to besides the pick and roll would make our pick and roll better and he would be correct but to say that Stotts' offense is just iso ball would be very incorrect.

 

[kjironman1]

I think Stotts actually runs the pick and roll more than he runs iso plays but I could be wrong.

You're not wrong. You paid attention.

 

[TBpup]

And as the #1 seed in his conference, three times, his coaching has lead them to as many conference finals as Terry Stotts has had.



Sure, while Terrys teams have been swept, they're A: in a tougher conference and B: never were the #1 seed in their conference. People act like losing to the Pelicans was such a surprise, but the Pelicans had 1 less win than Portland did.

Losing happens......getting SWEPT by a lower seed.....hardly EVER happens.

 

[Tince]

Losing happens......getting SWEPT by a lower seed.....hardly EVER happens.

This is correct. Off the top of my head, there are only a few I can think of:

Houston sweeping Orlando (Bob Hill) in the finals 94
Dallas sweeping the Lakers (Phil Jackson) on their way to the finals 2011?
Knicks (#8 seed) sweeping the Hawks (Lenny Wilkins) on their way to the finals in 99
Blazers sweeping Lakers (Jerry West) 1977
Boston sweeping Pacers (Rick Carslise) 2003

Just looked up that Red Auerbach Boston Celtics (#2 seed) got swept by the Knicks in 1951

So at least 4 of the coaches who got swept as the higher seed are HOF coaches. Apparently being swept as a higher seed is not an indicator of a bad coach.

Certainly there are a lot more that I'm not thinking of. Not to mention Popovich, George Karl, and Pat Riley have all lost as #1 seeds to the #8 seed.

 

[BonesJones]

I've always loved Bud but I've soured on him because he's starting to show some Stotts-ish tendencies.

 

[BonesJones]

I think Stotts actually runs the pick and roll more than he runs iso plays but I could be wrong. The pick and roll is the most effective play in the NBA. @BonesJones would point out that the action going on away from the pick and roll and having a variety of plays that you can go to besides the pick and roll would make our pick and roll better and he would be correct but to say that Stotts' offense is just iso ball would be very incorrect.

I think it's just the easy way to say "basic and stagnant". His offense it's basic pick n roll and isolation, with some areas that utilize movement with basically zero options inside the arc, running towards the hoop, or with good interior positioning. Consistently bottom 5 in assists with solid offensive talent including Dame and a very good passing C... I hate his system.

 

[handiman]

If Bud is only marginally better than Stotts, does that mean Stotts is Bud Light?

 

[kjironman1]

If Bud is only marginally better than Stotts, does that mean Stotts is Bud Light?

Or does that mean that with Giannis Stotts is marginally better than Bud?

 

[TBpup]

I'd like to see Bud get the Blazers to the #1 seed like he has done in other places. At least that gives Dame a shot.

 

[illmatic99]

oof. spoelstra is insane

 

[kjironman1]

I'd like to see Bud get the Blazers to the #1 seed like he has done in other places. At least that gives Dame a shot.

True story.
You can't win the Championship without getting to the playoffs.
No question getting the #1 seed and having the luxury of resting players as the season ends and playing lesser teams to begin the playoffs helps the #1 seed.
Getting past the Conference finals is always a crap shoot.

 

[illmatic99]

I'd like to see Bud get the Blazers to the #1 seed like he has done in other places. At least that gives Dame a shot.

Dude i don't care for Terry either but Bud is fucking trash this year in the playoffs. Spo is coaching circles around him. If you thought Terry is slow at making adjustments, pay attention to Bud. Dude is so hellbent even on playing Giannis no more than 35 mpg when the season is on the line.

No thank you

 

[Tince]

Dude i don't care for Terry either but Bud is fucking trash this year in the playoffs. Spo is coaching circles around him. If you thought Terry is slow at making adjustments, pay attention to Bud. Dude is so hellbent even on playing Giannis no more than 35 mpg when the season is on the line.

No thank you

I agree with you on adjustments.

I have considered the possibilty the Giannis' camp has all but demanded load management and the Bucks, scared of the possibility they'll lose him for nothing have ordered Bud to restrict his minutes.

This isn't a game, it's a business.

 

[tester551]

oof. spoelstra is insane

Stotts & McMillan are by far the worst of the bunch who have coached at least 30 games.

 

[illmatic99]

I agree with you on adjustments.

I have considered the possibilty the Giannis' camp has all but demanded load management and the Bucks, scared of the possibility they'll lose him for nothing have ordered Bud to restrict his minutes.

This isn't a game, it's a business.

Giannis doesn't seem like that kinda guy tho. Even load management king Kawhi never pulled that shit in the playoffs.

 

[Chris Craig]

Stotts & McMillan are by far the worst of the bunch who have coached at least 30 games.

Blazers know to how to hire em huh

 

[Hoopguru]

Not many coaching today have won it all.


https://basketball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_NBA_championship_head_coaches

 

[handiman]

Or does that mean that with Giannis Stotts is marginally better than Bud?

I'd like to think much better.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

Or does that mean that with Giannis Stotts is marginally better than Bud?

Not sure I understand the question. Do you mean give Giannis to Stotts and Dame to Bud? Give Stotts Giannis AND Dame to work with?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

oof. spoelstra is insane

IT'S KNOT TERI'S FAULT. OLDSHAY GOT
HEM NO DFENDERZZ...

 

[KSF-ERIC]

At least Bud’s teams have a .500 winning percentage in the playoffs and a .582 regular season winning percentage. His system may not be perfect but it’s considerably better than Stotts’ iso ball system. Stotts’ career 0.344 win % in the playoffs proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

And at least Bud’s teams are competitive in the playoffs and don’t just get swept out of the playoffs year after year like Stotts’ teams. Bud’s body of work, on the whole, is at a completely different level than Stotts and there is no arguing against that.

Stotts coached teams have often overachieved in playoffs, winning 3 playoff series without HCA. Meanwhile, Bud's teams underachieve in playoffs LOSING 2 (maybe 3) playoff series WITH HCA. I'll take Stotts over Bud any day of the week. Stotts is Jerry Sloan. Bud is George Karl.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

I'd like to see Bud get the Blazers to the #1 seed like he has done in other places. At least that gives Dame a shot.

Not if Bud coaches him to an early exit.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Stotts & McMillan are by far the worst of the bunch who have coached at least 30 games.

I actually consider Stotts to be one of the best of the bunch. To me. playoff WINS are hard to come by and he has 21. Only 8 of the other 15 coaches have won more.

 

[TBpup]

Not if Bud coaches him to an early exit.

I'd like Dame to get a shot as the #1 seed. He's never been close to that. It would also be nice to get HCA early and rest a bit instead of being driven into the ground. After that, I'll take my chances.

 

[tester551]

I actually consider Stotts to be one of the best of the bunch. To me. playoff WINS are hard to come by and he has 21. Only 8 of the other 15 coaches have won more.

Your standard seems extremely subjective & influenced by your personal bias.
#8 out of 15 puts him at 53%. At best, that puts him mediocre...

But we should look at winning percentage (as long as the sample size is large enough - hence why I said of the coaches with >30 playoff games). A larger sample size helps normalize for variables such as HCA.

Stotts doesn't perform very well by the winning percentage metric. He's on par with Nate McMillan - who we can hopefully agree is mediocre at best.

 

[TBpup]

Go Stephen A.....GO!!!

 

[illmatic99]

Go Stephen A.....GO!!!

it's insane that portland is even mentioned in these convos. all credit to dame.

i'd trade our whole team but dame for him. even with the risk of him walking in FA the year after

 

[illmatic99]

cj + collins + simmons + picks in perpetuity for Giannis + Hill

ok dream over.