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wizenheimer said:
barfo's right...you are confused

Oleandrin has had no phase 1 or phase 2 trials. None

there have been scientific trials on cancer cells and the aids virus but there is no proven efficacy. No study of the drug has even been peer reviewed
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Hard to say...

https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...-Study-Points-Potential-Oleandrin-Therapeutic

SAN ANTONIO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--A new research study recently published as an “In Press” article in the Journal of Antivirals & Antiretrovirals (www.longdom.org/antivirals-antiretrovirals.html) [Volume 11, Issue 3, 2019] concludes that “phytomedical compounds, such as the cardenolide oleandrin, may one day represent a cost-effective therapeutic strategy to help combat enveloped virus infections (such as HTLV-1) in developing countries with limited access to modern antivirals.”

“The Botanical Glycoside Oleandrin Inhibits Human T-cell Leukemia Virus Type-1 (HTLV-1) Infectivity and Env-Dependent Virological Synapse Formation.”

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The study is the latest in a string of published research papers which speak to various potential uses of oleandrin, an extract from the common Nerium oleander plant, in disease treatments. Oleandrin is the key bioactive component of PBI-05204, a drug developed by Phoenix Biotechnology, Inc. (www.phoenixbiotechnology.com), of San Antonio, TX.

According to Robert A. Newman, PhD, President and Chief Science Officer of Phoenix Biotech, PBI-05204 is the only botanical drug that contains oleandrin which has gone through both Phase I and Phase II clinical trials and is currently under development.
 
ABM said:
Lindell was a crackhead on the verge of destruction and death. Say what you'd like about him, but he's done quite well for himself, despite the huge obstacles.
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Cocaine does have an adverse effect on the brain and how one thinks.
 
jonnyboy said:
I don’t recall saying that.
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I asked you this, and gave his background facts, and you gave, as always, uninformed generalities.

"Just exactly what is tabloid about Anderson Cooper? He is a well-educated, well-travelled, exceptional and fair journalist. What exactly is "tabloid" about him?"
 
ABM said:
Hard to say...

https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...-Study-Points-Potential-Oleandrin-Therapeutic

SAN ANTONIO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--A new research study recently published as an “In Press” article in the Journal of Antivirals & Antiretrovirals (www.longdom.org/antivirals-antiretrovirals.html) [Volume 11, Issue 3, 2019] concludes that “phytomedical compounds, such as the cardenolide oleandrin, may one day represent a cost-effective therapeutic strategy to help combat enveloped virus infections (such as HTLV-1) in developing countries with limited access to modern antivirals.”

“The Botanical Glycoside Oleandrin Inhibits Human T-cell Leukemia Virus Type-1 (HTLV-1) Infectivity and Env-Dependent Virological Synapse Formation.”

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The study is the latest in a string of published research papers which speak to various potential uses of oleandrin, an extract from the common Nerium oleander plant, in disease treatments. Oleandrin is the key bioactive component of PBI-05204, a drug developed by Phoenix Biotechnology, Inc. (www.phoenixbiotechnology.com), of San Antonio, TX.

According to Robert A. Newman, PhD, President and Chief Science Officer of Phoenix Biotech, PBI-05204 is the only botanical drug that contains oleandrin which has gone through both Phase I and Phase II clinical trials and is currently under development.
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bullshit, it was easy to say because it's the truth

do you know why peer-reviewed studies mean much more than just a single use study? you should investigate that question

as far as your latest links...so what? you will find similar links for any studied drug. There are thousands of studies going all the time, and papers are written during and after each study

and just look at the primary sentence from your link:

"concludes that “phytomedical compounds, such as the cardenolide oleandrin, may one day represent a cost-effective therapeutic strategy to help combat enveloped virus infections"

that basically says nothing. It's conjecture supported by almost no conclusive evidence according to scientific standards

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sorry, but you're just drooling out evasive nonsense again. The thread is about a corrupt piece of shit pushing an unproven Covid Cure while he has a financial stake in the company that would market that phony cure. You tried to defend the situation because of the significant trump connection to this snake-oil farce, but truthfully, there's no good defense

if you like being a defensive advocate you might offer your services to Steve Bannon now
 
wizenheimer said:
bullshit, it was easy to say because it's the truth

do you know why peer-reviewed studies mean much more than just a single use study? you should investigate that question

as far as your latest links...so what? you will find similar links for any studied drug. There are thousands of studies going all the time, and papers are written during and after each study

and just look at the primary sentence from your link:

"concludes that “phytomedical compounds, such as the cardenolide oleandrin, may one day represent a cost-effective therapeutic strategy to help combat enveloped virus infections"

that basically says nothing. It's conjecture supported by almost no conclusive evidence according to scientific standards

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sorry, but you're just drooling out evasive nonsense again. The thread is about a corrupt piece of shit pushing an unproven Covid Cure while he has a financial stake in the company that would market that phony cure. You tried to defend the situation because of the significant trump connection to this snake-oil farce, but truthfully, there's no good defense

if you like being a defensive advocate you might offer your services to Steve Bannon now
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Oooh, such vitriol.

I was simply relating to one remark you had posted: Oleandrin has had no phase 1 or phase 2 trials. None
 
ABM said:
And?
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"Chronic cocaine exposure affects many other areas of the brain too. For example, animal research indicates that cocaine diminishes functioning in the orbitofrontal cortex (OFC), which appears to underlie the poor decision-making, inability to adapt to negative consequences of drug use, and lack of self-insight shown by people addicted to cocaine"

It also effects the hippocampus too.

In other words, cocaine addiction can and does fry your brain a bit.

I have a theory that cocaine abuse gives the user a false sense of their intelligence, their abilities and lowers their ability to notice that their bullshit is being spotted as bullshit by others.
 
julius said:
"Chronic cocaine exposure affects many other areas of the brain too. For example, animal research indicates that cocaine diminishes functioning in the orbitofrontal cortex (OFC), which appears to underlie the poor decision-making, inability to adapt to negative consequences of drug use, and lack of self-insight shown by people addicted to cocaine"

It also effects the hippocampus too.

In other words, cocaine addiction can and does fry your brain a bit.

I have a theory that cocaine abuse gives the user a false sense of their intelligence, their abilities and lowers their ability to notice that their bullshit is being spotted as bullshit by others.
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Got it. Well, concerning those previous setbacks, he certainly seems to be a major overcomer.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...terous-success-story-of-america-s-pillow-king
 
ABM said:
Oooh, such vitriol.

I was simply relating to one remark you had posted: Oleandrin has had no phase 1 or phase 2 trials. None
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you really need to look up the definition of phase 1 and phase 2 trials
 
julius said:
So has David Hasslehoff, but I'm not going to seek his opinion on medical advice just because he can sing.
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I highly doubt anyone is seeking medical advice from Mike Lindell.
 
ABM said:
I highly doubt anyone is seeking medical advice from Mike Lindell.
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I would hope not. And I'd also hope that no one takes anything he says seriously, or as nothing more than the incoherent ramblings of an addict.
 
CupWizier said:
There is a thing called implied, but like usual you use the trump defense of denial. Problem is, a majority of your posts are nothing burgers.
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You said I was claiming “everyone should believe my opinions”. I never said that. You can imply all you want.
 
Everyone should believe my opinions.

OR ELSE!
 
ABM said:
K, but I really don't think this drug is going to market tomorrow. Just because Lindell seems to be all excited about it doesn't really mean squat at this point.

BTW, you seem to be relatively learned about these things. Does this report shed any light?

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.15.203489v1.full.pdf
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The key thing to gather from that report is that they are currently testing it in vitro. That means in a test tube. You do that before you test something in animals, and you test in animals before you test on humans. You test in animals before humans because one thing you cannot test well in a test tube is toxicity (animals aren't a perfect predictor either, but if it kills rats/dogs/monkeys you may want to think twice about giving it to humans). And leandrin is a known toxin, so... magic 8 ball says future is hazy.

barfo
 
barfo said:
The key thing to gather from that report is that they are currently testing it in vitro. That means in a test tube. You do that before you test something in animals, and you test in animals before you test on humans. You test in animals before humans because one thing you cannot test well in a test tube is toxicity (animals aren't a perfect predictor either, but if it kills rats/dogs/monkeys you may want to think twice about giving it to humans). And leandrin is a known toxin, so... magic 8 ball says future is hazy.

barfo
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"I've been taking it for two weeks!"

- Donald Trump
 
barfo said:
The key thing to gather from that report is that they are currently testing it in vitro. That means in a test tube. You do that before you test something in animals, and you test in animals before you test on humans. You test in animals before humans because one thing you cannot test well in a test tube is toxicity (animals aren't a perfect predictor either, but if it kills rats/dogs/monkeys you may want to think twice about giving it to humans). And leandrin is a known toxin, so... magic 8 ball says future is hazy.

barfo
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Thanks for that.
 
jonnyboy said:
Major network news is pig slop. All of it. The way they manipulate a narrative by selectively omitting information is extremely deceptive, and it is now commonplace. There are exactly ZERO networks that report objectively. Your boy Anderson is part of the problem.
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The Trump network reports objectively. If you can't trust the President, who can you trust?
 
julius said:
So has David Hasslehoff, but I'm not going to seek his opinion on medical advice just because he can sing.

Call me crazy ("ok, you're crazy") but I'd rather have evidence and testimonies from actual doctors and studies.
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You are crazy!
Ever your obedient servant, Lanny
 
barfo said:
The key thing to gather from that report is that they are currently testing it in vitro. That means in a test tube. You do that before you test something in animals, and you test in animals before you test on humans. You test in animals before humans because one thing you cannot test well in a test tube is toxicity (animals aren't a perfect predictor either, but if it kills rats/dogs/monkeys you may want to think twice about giving it to humans). And leandrin is a known toxin, so... magic 8 ball says future is hazy.

barfo
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My magic 8 ball says future is suspect meaning pretty uncertain.
 
Stevenson said:
Dude, stop drinking the Koolaid. Or at least have some actual facts. Anderson Cooper is the very definition of a journalist. from Wikipedia:

"During college, Cooper spent two summers as an intern at the Central Intelligence Agency while studying political science.[11] He pursued journalism with no formal journalistic education[12][13] and is a self-proclaimed "news junkie since [he] was in utero."[14] After his first correspondence work in the early 1990s, he took a break from reporting and lived in Vietnam for a year, during which time he studied the Vietnamese language ...

After Cooper graduated from Yale, he tried to gain entry-level employment with ABC answering telephones, but was unsuccessful. Finding it hard to get his foot in the door of on-air reporting, Cooper decided to enlist the help of a friend in making a fake press pass. At the time, Cooper was working as a fact checker for the small news agency Channel One, which produces a youth-oriented news program that is broadcast to many junior high and high schools in the United States.[16] Cooper then entered Myanmar on his own with his forged press pass and met with students fighting the Burmese government.[14] He was ultimately able to sell his home-made news segments to Channel One.

After reporting from Myanmar, Cooper lived in Vietnam ... Cooper soon began filming and assembling reports of Vietnamese life and culture that aired on Channel One. He later returned to filming stories becoming a war correspondent and reporting from a variety of war-torn regions around the globe, including Somalia, Bosnia, and Rwanda.

In 1995 Cooper became a correspondent for ABC News, eventually rising to the position of co-anchor on its overnight World News Now program on September 21, 1999."
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yeah but he’s a lib so obviously not a real journalist
 
jonnyboy said:
Major network news is pig slop. All of it. The way they manipulate a narrative by selectively omitting information is extremely deceptive, and it is now commonplace. There are exactly ZERO networks that report objectively. Your boy Anderson is part of the problem.
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I don't think you understand the difference between the AP news feed and editorials...you're saying it's all editorials....that's not how journalism works
 
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