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VanillaGorilla said:
You guys are ridiculous. He's not just being a dick to be a dick and make himself feel better. It's a style of coaching. It's been successful in the past and will be again in the future. And I guarantee he's not like this all the time, but sometimes stuff like this is useful.

Okay, the ball throwing is over the top, but grabbing an adult athlete and shoving him a little bit on the court is not a big deal at all.

Oh no he calls them fairies!!! Give me a break.
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And would it be ok if a teacher in a classroom acted this way, to you? Throwing chalk at kids, shoving them when they are answering questions wrong, and berating the shit out of them for not knowing details?
 
RR7 said:
And would it be ok if a teacher in a classroom acted this way, to you? Throwing chalk at kids, shoving them when they are answering questions wrong, and berating the shit out of them for not knowing details?
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I had a teacher that used to throw chalk at you if you were screwing around and/or not paying attention. Her rule was that you could throw it back, though.
 
RR7 said:
And would it be ok if a teacher in a classroom acted this way, to you? Throwing chalk at kids, shoving them when they are answering questions wrong, and berating the shit out of them for not knowing details?
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No, I said adult athletes on a basketball court.

It's a sport.
 
RR7 said:
And would it be ok if a teacher in a classroom acted this way, to you? Throwing chalk at kids, shoving them when they are answering questions wrong, and berating the shit out of them for not knowing details?
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But yes, teachers should be able to do more than they're allowed to now.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
No, I said adult athletes on a basketball court.

It's a sport.
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So why should student athletes at a college be subjected to physical and emotional abuse, but not other students? A sport justifies an asshole at the lead? And is allowed to shove kids, and hurl things at them?
 
VanillaGorilla said:
You guys are ridiculous. He's not just being a dick to be a dick and make himself feel better. It's a style of coaching. It's been successful in the past and will be again in the future. And I guarantee he's not like this all the time, but sometimes stuff like this is useful.

Okay, the ball throwing is over the top, but grabbing an adult athlete and shoving him a little bit on the court is not a big deal at all.

Oh no he calls them fairies!!! Give me a break.
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I guess you're just going to ignore what former NBA player Eric Murdock said in the video about him never seeing anything like it?

Rice's behavior is way over the top.
 
College students are not kids, and I've already stated that throwing the balls at them was over the top.

I think sport definitely justifies the physicality.
 
RoyToy said:
I guess you're just going to ignore what former NBA player Eric Murdock said in the video about him never seeing anything like it?

Rice's behavior is way over the top.
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I have said that the ball throwing was over the top, meaning I believe Rice's behavior was over the top.

Everything other than that, I have personally witnessed on sports teams.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
You guys are ridiculous. He's not just being a dick to be a dick and make himself feel better. It's a style of coaching. It's been successful in the past and will be again in the future. And I guarantee he's not like this all the time, but sometimes stuff like this is useful.

Okay, the ball throwing is over the top, but grabbing an adult athlete and shoving him a little bit on the court is not a big deal at all.

Oh no he calls them fairies!!! Give me a break.
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Yeah, win at all cost (which I contend that you can make a point without name calling) and do not worry about the kids development from childhood to adult. A few of the pushes look harmless but some of those pushes look more like punches to me too.
 
The kids are making a choice to be part of the program. They could walk, or not choose to join up front. They're not being forced against their will to be there.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
The kids are making a choice to be part of the program. They could walk, or not choose to join up front. They're not being forced against their will to be there.
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Using the same logic, any employer should be able to use the same tactics.

Also, I am guessing during the recruitment process that this was not part of the sales pitch. These kids are stuck if they want to get out after they sign.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Yeah, win at all cost (which I contend that you can make a point without name calling) and do not worry about the kids development from childhood to adult. A few of the pushes look harmless but some of those pushes look more like punches to me too.
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And the fact he ran right up to a kid and kicked him

Total asshat that needs to be fired.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
The kids are making a choice to be part of the program. They could walk, or not choose to join up front. They're not being forced against their will to be there.
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I would venture to guess that the kids didn't know when they signed to go to Rutgers that they'd be getting kicked and having balls thrown at them. Otherwise, I agree, they could leave. Of course, with stupid NCAA rules, they'd have to either sit out an entire season, or I think it's drop to a lower level?
 
RR7 said:
I would venture to guess that the kids didn't know when they signed to go to Rutgers that they'd be getting kicked and having balls thrown at them. Otherwise, I agree, they could leave. Of course, with stupid NCAA rules, they'd have to either sit out an entire season, or I think it's drop to a lower level?
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As some of you declared, this happens at a young age in all sports. So why would they expect college, where the stakes are greater, to be any different? And why would they expect it to be different, when we've heard stories like this for years? Bob Knight took it to the extreme because he berated players in-game.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong, just asking the questions.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Using the same logic, any employer should be able to use the same tactics.

Also, I am guessing during the recruitment process that this was not part of the sales pitch. These kids are stuck if they want to get out after they sign.
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They are stuck? No they aren't. They can lose a year of eligibility. Or they could choose to pay for college the way many of us do.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
As some of you declared, this happens at a young age in all sports. So why would they expect college, where the stakes are greater, to be any different?

I'm not saying this is right or wrong, just asking the questions.
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I've never seen or heard of a coach throwing balls at players, and never heard of a coach kicking a kid. Some of the shoves looked bad, but a few of the others in the video seemed to be more him putting the kid in the spot he's supposed to be for the play. That I don't think is as big of a deal. I saw that in football,a coach grabbing a kid to the right position. I never saw a coach just shoving a kid in the chest to yell at him, though.
 
RR7 said:
I've never seen or heard of a coach throwing balls at players, and never heard of a coach kicking a kid. Some of the shoves looked bad, but a few of the others in the video seemed to be more him putting the kid in the spot he's supposed to be for the play. That I don't think is as big of a deal. I saw that in football,a coach grabbing a kid to the right position. I never saw a coach just shoving a kid in the chest to yell at him, though.
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If you haven't seen it or heard about it, then my question wasn't directed at you. But I'd say I'm shocked you haven't seen it. I personally never experienced anything like this, but this isn't the first time I've seen such things in the media. Far from it.
 
Sorry, by hadn't seen it or heard it, I meant growing up, and personally. Not in the media, or reading a story in SI or something, but actually seeing any of my coaches do it, or hearing from friends, friends of friends, etc. of their coaches doing it.
 
RR7 said:
Sorry, by hadn't seen it or heard it, I meant growing up, and personally. Not in the media, or reading a story in SI or something, but actually seeing any of my coaches do it, or hearing from friends, friends of friends, etc. of their coaches doing it.
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Roger that. I'd heard of it from some friends. Not quite to this extreme, but I'd heard some pretty tough stuff (especially with football). But as I mentioned in an earlier post, I never was exposed to any of this (aside from what comes out in the media).

Now, parents fighting at youth sporting events? Oh my, I saw some good ones.
 
My thought is that this does go on to some degree at all levels. The higher level you go up, the more you can expect "negative reinforcement" as a motivating tool.

The fact it happens and is accepted to some degree AND that Rice is being called out for it and has been suspended means to me that Rice is just way over the top and out of control.
 
Mike Rice Senior must be so proud.
 
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Regardless of whether you think Rice's behavior is out of line, and I certainly do, in this day of instant media scrutiny where nearly everyone is holding a direct-to-internet video link in the palm of their hand, his behavior is ..........well..............unbelievably stupid. There are better ways to motivate people.
 
HomerLovesKoolAid said:
Regardless of whether you think Rice's behavior is out of line, and I certainly do, in this day of instant media scrutiny where nearly everyone is holding a direct-to-internet video link in the palm of their hand, his behavior is ..........well..............unbelievably stupid. There are better ways to motivate people.
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Its not motivation. Its getting them to pay attention.
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