Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters (4 Viewers)

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SlyPokerDog said:
BURNS -- As night faded into the 29th day of armed standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the remaining four holdouts discussed their exit strategy and talked chow in live videos posted to Youtube.

Four voices are heard in the video, which appears to have been filmed in the dark of night.

The remaining occupiers are: David Fry, 27, of Blanchester, Ohio; Sandy Anderson, 48, of Idaho; her husband, Sean Anderson, 47; and Jeff Banta, 46, of Elko, Nevada.

A man can be heard talking on the phone in the background while Fry and another man discuss food.

"I was eating your Pop-Tarts," the man tells Fry.

"That's totally fine," Fry responds.

In the background, the man on the phone talks with someone he later identifies as a spokeswoman for Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore. He tells her he doesn't plan to submit to arrest and indicates the four holdouts need to "get people here" to defend them.

"She was saying she could do more if I'm alive than dead," he later tells his companions when they ask what the two discussed.

"Get the governor to pardon us!" one responds.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-st...andoff_remaining_refu.html#incart_maj-story-1
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What happened to the other 496 of them? There were 500 originally.
 
riverman said:
I don't assume they murdered this guy, but it seems to prop up your argument for the outcome..we disagree about that..my point is the folks occupying that place need to be held accountable for their actions...I'm not a gun advocate and that's not my point here. Ranchers have guns, cops have guns. That's reality
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Cops have an obligation to take life as the very last resort. If these men had gone into town shooting up the place, by all means take them out.

As it is, they were never a threat to anyone.
 
riverman said:
ask the Burns locals or Paiute tribal members...it mattered to them
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Bernie Sanders. Sit in. Ask the people who worked at the university if it mattered to them.
 
riverman said:
exactly....so what..you seem hell bent on tying these idiots to civil rights protests in the 60s...welcome to the new millennium Denny
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It is exactly the same sort of thing.

The people were protesting the government. They occupied (sit in) government property.

They had guns, but were miles from anyone and never threatened a soul until the FBI killed a man.

It was premeditated murder. The FBI set a trap for the man and his companions and shot him in the middle of nowhere, where he was a threat to nobody.
 
Denny Crane said:
It is exactly the same sort of thing.

The people were protesting the government. They occupied (sit in) government property.

They had guns, but were miles from anyone and never threatened a soul until the FBI killed a man.

It was premeditated murder. The FBI set a trap for the man and his companions and shot him in the middle of nowhere, where he was a threat to nobody.
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You don't know this at all....he was no threat? They were no threat? You didn't listen to what they were saying at all...I heard their threats and read another article about a hiker being confronted by one of them with a gun...guess that hiker didn't have rights either.
 
riverman said:
You don't know this at all....he was no threat? They were no threat? You didn't listen to what they were saying at all...I heard their threats and read another article about a hiker being confronted by one of them with a gun...guess that hiker didn't have rights either.
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Bluster.

Talking shit when nobody was within miles of them.

What hiker?

 
Denny Crane said:
Bluster.

Talking shit when nobody was within miles of them.

What hiker?

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sure...sure...there's shit being talked in Burns and it's not the hiker...you seem to judge the FBI agents who were a few yards from Lavoy...yet I'm assuming you were not within miles of the incident. These militia guys are setting a very dangerous precident and you seem to be strangely supportive...it's your right as well as mine to criticize their actions and behavior. They don't have my support after reading up and listening to both sides..they lost any reasonable doubt from me
 
riverman said:
sure...sure...there's shit being talked in Burns and it's not the hiker...you seem to judge the FBI agents who were a few yards from Lavoy...yet I'm assuming you were not within miles of the incident. These militia guys are setting a very dangerous precident and you seem to be strangely supportive...it's your right as well as mine to criticize their actions and behavior. They don't have my support after reading up and listening to both sides..they lost any reasonable doubt from me
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Watch the PBS piece. They said people were allowed by the protesters to visit the park and take in the sights. Not a threat.

I can find nothing in the news about any hiker being confronted by these protesters.
 
Denny Crane said:
Watch the PBS piece. They said people were allowed by the protesters to visit the park and take in the sights. Not a threat.
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I watched. now you need to watch the video I posted with clear threats of Armagaedon by the fat guy with the assault rifle...in his own words....it's on! Now I don't know Denny...maybe you want armed revolution in Oregon...I don't
 
Denny Crane said:
Watch the PBS piece. They said people were allowed by the protesters to visit the park and take in the sights. Not a threat.

I can find nothing in the news about any hiker being confronted by these protesters.
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You missed the old local guy in the red jacket telling them he was threatened and the miitia guy saying you shouldn't be here then...also the milita interrupting the bearded guy whenever he tried to speak...not exactly an amicable solution from what I saw
 
riverman said:
I watched. now you need to watch the video I posted with clear threats of Armagaedon by the fat guy with the assault rifle...in his own words....it's on! Now I don't know Denny...maybe you want armed revolution in Oregon...I don't
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I did.

Those were after the FBI murdered one of them.
 
riverman said:
You missed the old local guy in the red jacket telling them he was threatened and the miitia guy saying you shouldn't be here then...also the milita interrupting the bearded guy whenever he tried to speak...not exactly an amicable solution from what I saw
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Geez. Chris Matthews never lets anyone talk without interrupting them.

Discourse isn't violence.
 
Denny Crane said:
Geez. Chris Matthews never lets anyone talk without interrupting them.

Discourse isn't violence.
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the guy trying to talk was unarmed, the guy interrupting him was armed to the teeth..yeah...that's a fair debate..
 
Denny Crane said:
I did.

Those were after the FBI murdered one of them.
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So you heard the call to arms and the threat to fight the revolution with weapons? Funny, you gave the impression they didn't threaten anyone
 
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