Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

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Either the 4th guy up there wants nothing to do with these dipshit videos or they've eaten him.
 
Anti war left during the Bush administration. Daring of the left. Occupied New Orleans, LOL.

She clearly speaks for everyone who was anti-war, right?

"Cindy Sheehan, my hero"
-- barfo & SlyPokerDog

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/29/AR2005092901705.html

Maureen Dowd of the New York Times claims that Sheehan's "moral authority" on the war is "absolute." This is obtuse. Sheehan's diatribes against George Bush -- "lying bastard"; "filth-spewer and warmonger"; "biggest terrorist in the world" -- have no more moral standing than Joseph Kennedy's vilification of Franklin Roosevelt. And if Sheehan speaks with absolute moral authority, then so does Diane Ibbotson -- and the other mothers who have lost sons in Iraq yet continue to support the mission their sons died for and bitterly oppose Sheehan for discrediting it.

The antiwar movement has found itself ill served by endowing absolute moral authority on a political radical who demanded that American troops leave not just Iraq but "occupied New Orleans." Who blames Israel for her son's death. Who complained that the news media went "100 percent rita" -- "a little wind and a little rain" -- rather than covering other things in the world, meaning her.
 
If you don't get my point, feel free to continue bloviating.

I'm done with this thread.
 
Denny Crane said:
Anti war left during the Bush administration. Daring of the left. Occupied New Orleans, LOL.

She clearly speaks for everyone who was anti-war, right?

"Cindy Sheehan, my hero"
-- barfo & SlyPokerDog

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/29/AR2005092901705.html

Maureen Dowd of the New York Times claims that Sheehan's "moral authority" on the war is "absolute." This is obtuse. Sheehan's diatribes against George Bush -- "lying bastard"; "filth-spewer and warmonger"; "biggest terrorist in the world" -- have no more moral standing than Joseph Kennedy's vilification of Franklin Roosevelt. And if Sheehan speaks with absolute moral authority, then so does Diane Ibbotson -- and the other mothers who have lost sons in Iraq yet continue to support the mission their sons died for and bitterly oppose Sheehan for discrediting it.

The antiwar movement has found itself ill served by endowing absolute moral authority on a political radical who demanded that American troops leave not just Iraq but "occupied New Orleans." Who blames Israel for her son's death. Who complained that the news media went "100 percent rita" -- "a little wind and a little rain" -- rather than covering other things in the world, meaning her.
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Denny Crane said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cindy-sheehan/a-bright-spot-in-bush-wor_b_7433.html

A Bright Spot in Bush World Amid the Miserable Failures on the Same Planet
Cindy Sheehan

George Bush needs to stop talking, admit the mistakes of his all around failed administration, pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans and Iraq, and excuse his self from power.

"My hero"
-- SlyPokerDog
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Denny Crane said:
If you don't get my point, feel free to continue bloviating.

I'm done with this thread.
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I didn't realize that Sheehan was armed, took over Bush's ranch, drove around in his cars, dug random holes, threw trash everywhere and vandalized the place.
 
You don't realize a lot of things.

She camped out in Crawford, Texas. She stalked the president.

So continue to bloviate, as I said.
 
Denny Crane said:
You don't realize a lot of things.

She camped out in Crawford, Texas. She stalked the president.

So continue to bloviate, as I said.
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Camping 3 miles away from the president's ranch while he's there on vacation is not the same as what the dipshits in Burns are doing and it's not stalking.
 
Take over federal land with guns and then get mad when they won't just let you leave without prosecution. If this is civil disobedience like many claim, than they should not only expect, but welcome their arrest because of what it will represent to their cause. But they know that nobody gives a shit about them or their cause, or at least few give enough of a shit to rise up with them. So the realization that they are going to jail without accomplishing anything they set out to accomplish has got to be infuriating.

Sly, keep those vids coming. Very interesting from a reality TV sort of way.
 
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Take over federal land with guns and then get mad when they won't just let you leave without prosecution. If this is civil disobedience like many claim, than they should not only expect, but welcome their arrest because of what it will represent to their cause. But they know that nobody gives a shit about them or their cause, or at least few give enough of a shit to rise up with them. So the realization that they are going to jail without accomplishing anything they set out to accomplish has got to be infuriating.

Sly, keep those vids coming. Very interesting from a reality TV sort of way.
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Hundreds of the guys who occupied the government post went home on their own and without persecution.
 
Denny Crane said:
Hundreds of the guys who occupied the government post went home on their own and without persecution.
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Earlier, yes. But these ones stayed and at least in their minds (as per their videos) they expect arrest and prosecution at a minimum.
 
Not sure this information has been reported to the general public?

I was listening to an Indian tribal radio station based in Idaho. (One of the few stations I can get at my remote Idaho cave). This is not the same tribe that complained about the militants digging up artifacts. The Idaho tribe was broadcasting a special report on the Militants take over of the refuge headquarters. It appeared to be a very balanced report, something that has been missing from this agenda driven drama event, from both sides.

The militants had contacted the tribes to discuss the artifacts they found. According to this Indian radio report, the militants where very concerned about the artifacts they found and wanted to let the tribe know what they found, and where.

The militants found boxes of Indian artifacts at the refuge lying around the headquarters building. Some of the boxes had dates going back to the 1980’s.

The report asked this question. Why was the government holding these artifacts for so long, and not turning them over to the tribes?

No I am not Indian; I belong to the paler nation. I am just amazed that the most balanced non-agenda reporting I have heard on the militants topic was coming from a tribe. I did not hear the entire report, but wish I had. I may have missed some additional information about the artifacts found or other militant topics.


I am not taking sides on this issue, nor am I endorsing the militant’s actions. I am just trying to get some truth out.
 
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Earlier, yes. But these ones stayed and at least in their minds (as per their videos) they expect arrest and prosecution at a minimum.
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Maybe. But just as you don't paint all anti-war protesters with the Cindy Sheehan lunatic brush, you don't with these guys.
 
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Earlier, yes. But these ones stayed and at least in their minds (as per their videos) they expect arrest and prosecution at a minimum.
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A Federal Grand Jury has issued indictments for the remaining 4 protesters.
 
Denny Crane said:
Maybe. But just as you don't paint all anti-war protesters with the Cindy Sheehan lunatic brush, you don't with these guys.
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I didn't follow the Cindy Sheehan protest much at the time but wasn't she protesting the Iraq war? I'm not seeing how that makes her a lunatic.
 
I'm not seeing the Cindy Sheehan equivalence. As best I remember, she was a dipshit, so she does have that in common with Denny's Militia, but otherwise, I don't think she was armed, I don't think she appropriated federal property, I don't think she committed suicide by cop, I don't think she cost the taxpayers a lot of money.

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
Hundreds of the guys who occupied the government post went home on their own and without persecution.
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There were never hundreds of guys there, Denny.

barfo
 
oldfisherman said:
Not sure this information has been reported to the general public?

I was listening to an Indian tribal radio station based in Idaho. (One of the few stations I can get at my remote Idaho cave). This is not the same tribe that complained about the militants digging up artifacts. The Idaho tribe was broadcasting a special report on the Militants take over of the refuge headquarters. It appeared to be a very balanced report, something that has been missing from this agenda driven drama event, from both sides.

The militants had contacted the tribes to discuss the artifacts they found. According to this Indian radio report, the militants where very concerned about the artifacts they found and wanted to let the tribe know what they found, and where.

The militants found boxes of Indian artifacts at the refuge lying around the headquarters building. Some of the boxes had dates going back to the 1980’s.

The report asked this question. Why was the government holding these artifacts for so long, and not turning them over to the tribes?

No I am not Indian; I belong to the paler nation. I am just amazed that the most balanced non-agenda reporting I have heard on the militants topic was coming from a tribe. I did not hear the entire report, but wish I had. I may have missed some additional information about the artifacts found or other militant topics.


I am not taking sides on this issue, nor am I endorsing the militant’s actions. I am just trying to get some truth out.
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I heard the local tribal leaders on camera make a plea to the militia to leave and one reason was those artifacts...the locals knew they were there and from what the tribe said...they were there in trust..it's not like park rangers were digging the stuff up and boxing it without their knowledge
 
riverman said:
I heard the local tribal leaders on camera make a plea to the militia to leave and one reason was those artifacts...the locals knew they were there and from what the tribe said...they were there in trust..it's not like park rangers were digging the stuff up and boxing it without their knowledge
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Thanks for tune-up Riverman, I missed that report. I also did not hear the entire report I listened to, so I could have missed some important info.

My impression from the radio report was. The Indians get upset with anyone digging up their artifacts, militants or park rangers. Not sure if different tribes have different views on, or agreements with park rangers to dig up artifacts?

Just a guess on my part, but a Federal park ranger, that belongs to a tribe, that is digging up artifacts probably would be acceptable. Some of the Federal park rangers in Idaho are Indian. It is possible some of the OR wildlife refuge park rangers may are also be Indian.
 
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oldfisherman said:
Thanks for tune-up Riverman, I missed that report. I also did not hear the entire report I listened to, so I could have missed some important info.

My impression from the radio report was. The Indians get upset with anyone digging up their artifacts, militants or park rangers. Not sure if different tribes have different views on, or agreements with park rangers to dig up artifacts?

Just a guess on my part, but a Federal park ranger, that belongs to a tribe, that is digging up artifacts probably would be acceptable. Some of the Federal park rangers in Idaho are Indian. It is possible some on the OR wildlife refuge park rangers may are also be Indian.
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Here's one article on the local tribe's view on the situation. There are lots of others.

The Burns Paiute Tribe said it fears artifacts kept at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge could be sold to collectors and help finance the armed militant’s cause.

In a letter sent Monday, tribal chairwoman Charlotte Rodrique asked federal law enforcement officials to prevent the militants occupying the refuge from moving freely on and off the federal preserve.

“Allowing the militants free passage from the Refuge means that our cultural patrimony is unprotected and easily transported outside the Refuge for sale or misappropriation by the militants,” Rodrique wrote to U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch and FBI Director James Comey.

The refuge houses more than 4,000 tribal artifacts as well as maps, site records and “confidential documents related to the Tribe’s cultural resources,” Rodrique wrote.
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barfo
 
barfo said:
Here's one article on the local tribe's view on the situation. There are lots of others.



barfo
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Thanks for the article Barfo. However, the information in this article does not match what a tribe was reporting late last week. The tribe report made it very clear the militants wanted to protect the artifacts, not sell them. And that the militants had contacted the tribes asking for guidance on the topic. Maybe their request came after and was prompted by this article?
 
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