Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

[riverman]

Next time you tattoo a swastika on yourself, imagine your dad using sandpaper to remove it.

I'd rather he turned it into a mandala..connect the lines..I like clean edges..the sandpaper is too Jackson Pollack for my taste

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/fbi_to_release_video_footage_o.html

 

[Denny Crane]

Awareness? Yes. Support? No.



I believe that's exactly what they've done so far.

barfo

They shot two people.

You believe wrong.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[MarAzul]

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/fbi_to_release_video_footage_o.html

Now that does look as if, hands up Don't shoot, was what to guy had in mind.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Denny's woman is a LIAR!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Now that does look as if, hands up Don't shoot, was what to guy had in mind.

Watch the FBI version full screen, you can see him reach inside his coat.

 

[MarAzul]

Watch the FBI version full screen, you can see him reach inside his coat.

I can't tell why his hands came down. Reaching into his coat? Or hit with a bullet? I don't know. Was he armed? I mean gun on him inside the coat?

I sure hope my nephew is not one of the cops.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I can't tell why his hands came down. Reaching into his coat? Or hit with a bullet? I don't know. Was he armed? I mean gun on him inside the coat?

I sure hope my nephew is not one of the cops.

Finicum had a loaded 9 mm semi-automatic handgun in that pocket.

Why, I think the cops did a good job.

 

[MarAzul]

good job

Why did the hands come down? Was he hit first? or hands come down first?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Why did the hands come down? Was he hit first? or hands come down first?

LaVoy looked the most veal like and the cops were hungry.

 

[barfo]

They shot two people.

You believe wrong.

Nope. The FBI waited until they came out. That's what you were suggesting, that's what they did.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Denny's woman is a LIAR!

I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!

And even more surprising, they had guns with them. Nobody without a crystal ball could have predicted that.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!

And even more surprising, they had guns with them. Nobody without a crystal ball could have predicted that.

barfo

Denny hasn't posted in a few hours, he might be one his way to join his fellow patriots.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Denny hasn't posted in a few hours, he might be one his way to join his fellow patriots.

'Thousands' called to Burns to tell FBI to leave after occupation leader's arrest

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-st..._called_to_burns_to_t.html#incart_maj-story-1

 

[Denny Crane]

Nope. The FBI waited until they came out. That's what you were suggesting, that's what they did.

barfo

They shot two people. They didn't wait until they came out - some are still there.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[barfo]

They shot two people. They didn't wait until they came out - some are still there.

They haven't shot the people who are still there. They only shot the people who came out. Like you requested.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

They haven't shot the people who are still there. They only shot the people who came out. Like you requested.

barfo

I didn't request they shoot anyone, barfo. That is a failure on the FBI's part.

A number of the people left voluntarily and without being shot at, flash bang grenades thrown at them, etc.

Given more time, every one of them would have left voluntarily and without any need for violence.

 

[barfo]

I didn't request they shoot anyone, barfo.

You should communicate more clearly then. The FBI misunderstood your instructions, and your failure cost LaVoy his life.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

You should communicate more clearly then. The FBI misunderstood your instructions, and your failure cost LaVoy his life.

barfo

The FBI created an armed confrontation and murdered the man.

The man would have eventually come out unarmed and willing to be arrested.

 

[barfo]

The man would have eventually come out unarmed and willing to be arrested.

Something about a crystal ball....

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Something about a crystal ball....

barfo

Don't need one. They waited enough time for many of them to leave peacefully already. Proof is in the public record.

 

[MarAzul]

Geez, the City boys vs the cowboys, with the city boys rooting for the cops to gun down the cowboys is appalling.
Then when we have a Black man confronting the cops, they get all pissed when the cop shoot the black man.

What makes City boys so inconsistent?

The problem in both cases is police policy of requiring police officers to demand compliance with orders, setting up a confrontation where authorized use of deadly force (gun fire) is justified.
The dimwit in Chicago did not need to be gunned down. The dimwit in Oregon did not need to be gunned down. Think about it, even if he went for a gun from the hands up position, a police officer
did not need to be in range of his 9mm. The dude was wading up to ass in a snow bank! WTF was he going to do?

You City Boy have the power, you have the votes, you need to change how law enforcement works in this country. It isn't bad cops, it's dumb ass policy and procedures.

 

[barfo]

Geez, the City boys vs the cowboys, with the city boys rooting for the cops to gun down the cowboys is appalling.
Then when we have a Black man confronting the cops, they get all pissed when the cop shoot the black man.

What makes City boys so inconsistent?

Maybe the difference between shooting an armed man and shooting an unarmed man?

The problem in both cases is police policy of requiring police officers to demand compliance with orders, setting up a confrontation where authorized use of deadly force (gun fire) is justified.
The dimwit in Chicago did not need to be gunned down. The dimwit in Oregon did not need to be gunned down. Think about it, even if he went for a gun from the hands up position, a police officer
did not need to be in range of his 9mm. The dude was wading up to ass in a snow bank! WTF was he going to do?

Ok, so you have all officers withdraw to a distance where they are not within gunshot range (of any weapon, since they can't get close enough to determine what weaponry they might have).
Then what?
How does one apprehend a suspect while always staying out of gunshot range, exactly?

You City Boy have the power, you have the votes, you need to change how law enforcement works in this country. It isn't bad cops, it's dumb ass policy and procedures.

No question that policy and procedures need fixing. But not so clear on what your recommended fix is?

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Maybe the difference between shooting an armed man and shooting an unarmed man?

>>>> A guy with a knife is not unarmed.

Ok, so you have all officers withdraw to a distance where they are not within gunshot range (of any weapon, since they can't get close enough to determine what weaponry they might have).
Then what?
How does one apprehend a suspect while always staying out of gunshot range, exactly?

No question that policy and procedures need fixing. But not so clear on what your recommended fix is?

barfo

Expecting rational behavior from an irrational person is irrational. Police do not expect a bear to comply with commands, but they do capture them and remove them from cities occasionally.
They really should not expect a mentally ill person, one on drugs, or dimwit to comply with commands.

In this guys case I don't know if he dropped his hand because he was shot, or went for a gun. Did he recieve a command to get face down in the snow, hands behind his back, legs spread?
I don't know. If he were a bear that did not response to commands, they would have used a tranquilizer dart. Of course, they know this from training on how to handle bears that don't follow commands.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Geez, the City boys vs the cowboys, with the city boys rooting for the cops to gun down the cowboys is appalling.
Then when we have a Black man confronting the cops, they get all pissed when the cop shoot the black man.

What makes City boys so inconsistent?

The problem in both cases is police policy of requiring police officers to demand compliance with orders, setting up a confrontation where authorized use of deadly force (gun fire) is justified.
The dimwit in Chicago did not need to be gunned down. The dimwit in Oregon did not need to be gunned down. Think about it, even if he went for a gun from the hands up position, a police officer
did not need to be in range of his 9mm. The dude was wading up to ass in a snow bank! WTF was he going to do?

You City Boy have the power, you have the votes, you need to change how law enforcement works in this country. It isn't bad cops, it's dumb ass policy and procedures.

No, it's more like cops shoot a black guy and the cops were in the right, they have a tough job. Then cops shoot a white guy and suddenly it's the cops are wrong.

 

[barfo]

Expecting rational behavior from an irrational person is irrational. Police do not expect a bear to comply with commands, but they do capture them and remove them from cities occasionally.
They really should not expect a mentally ill person, one on drugs, or dimwit to comply with commands.

In this guys case I don't know if he dropped his hand because he was shot, or went for a gun. Did he recieve a command to get face down in the snow, hands behind his back, legs spread?
I don't know. If he were a bear that did not response to commands, they would have used a tranquilizer dart. Of course, they know this from training on how to handle bears that don't follow commands.

That's it. We are spending too much money training the police to deal with bears, rather than humans.

I don't think you really answered the question - how should the police apprehend suspects while staying out of gunshot range?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I don't think you really answered the question - how should the police apprehend suspects while staying out of gunshot range?

 

[SlyPokerDog]