Miller signs qualifier

[theProdigy223]

1 year, 874k.

This is frustrating as hell. Next year Miller, Etem and Kreider will all be arb. eligible, plus Hayes and Yandle needing new contracts. We didnt have the space to get Miller on, say, a 2 year bridge worth 1.3 or so. Now next year we have all these contracts coming up, all of which will be due significant raises.

All we had to do was trade out one salary and we could have had the space to sign Miller to a bridge. We've gone through the candidates so no need to beat that horse anymore. But now next year we're looking at a catastrophe to try to get all these guys coming off cheap deals signed. This is awful, awful management.

Fast in at 2 years, 950k per. At least one guy wont need to be resigned against next year.

 

[Ranger71]

Boyle will be gone next year and Skjei in his spot so that's 4m saved there which will help.

 

[theProdigy223]

Well yeah, but Yandle will take most of that himself considering his hit on our books is only 2.6 right now. And if Skjei is on the team his hit is .925, meaning we save only about 3.5 subbing him for Boyle. Which as I said will likely go to Yandle. It's a mess.

 

[Ranger71]

Yeah true, and hopefully they do keep Yandle. They'll find a way with the others, there just might not be much space leftover. Buchnevich will be pushing for a spot too.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Won't Hayes get a qualifying offer next year?

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Boyle and Moore will be off the books next year

 

[kreidertime]

The f'n idiots should find somebody to take Glass and his 1.45 salary. Moore, Stalberg, Boyle, Yandle, Diaz and Raanta will be gone next year. That's 11.6 free. I figure 9 to sign Kreider and Hayes. Sadly, the stupid bastards will lose Yandle for nothing because they are dumb. Next year is probably the year either Nash or Stepan gets dealt. That will solve the cap problem.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Hayes isn't an RFA that Gorton will sign to a bridge deal?

 

[Ranger71]

I think Kreider/Hayes will total around 7 tops(Kreider 4m/Hayes 2-3). I think Yandle re-signing is a solid possibility, as he seems to like NY and the guys around him, plus a team that's got a legit chance to win for the next 3-4 years. I'd love to see Eric Staal here, but that might require dealing off Stepan, which would be ok imo. Staal is the better player and adds more.

 

[Messiah717]

1 year, 874k.

This is frustrating as hell. Next year Miller, Etem and Kreider will all be arb. eligible, plus Hayes and Yandle needing new contracts. We didnt have the space to get Miller on, say, a 2 year bridge worth 1.3 or so. Now next year we have all these contracts coming up, all of which will be due significant raises.

All we had to do was trade out one salary and we could have had the space to sign Miller to a bridge. We've gone through the candidates so no need to beat that horse anymore. But now next year we're looking at a catastrophe to try to get all these guys coming off cheap deals signed. This is awful, awful management.

Fast in at 2 years, 950k per. At least one guy wont need to be resigned against next year.

Trade out a salary and do what? Magically have nothing come back on the books in return? We've heard this sky is falling routine regarding contracts for how many years now? You have no idea about the coming season, cap increases, future trades or anything. Throwing a fit over such unknown is pointless.

 

[theProdigy223]

Trade out a salary and do what? Magically have nothing come back on the books in return? We've heard this sky is falling routine regarding contracts for how many years now? You have no idea about the coming season, cap increases, future trades or anything. Throwing a fit over such unknown is pointless.

Christ dude, when did you turn into such a miserable dickhead? You asked me in another thread what I would do and I posted it. Nobody is throwing a fit, I'm observing how many expiring cheap contracts we have coming up. You on the other hand have contributed zero to this board over the past few months besides criticizing people trying to discuss the team so do us all a favor and pound sand.

 

[kreidertime]

You're out of your mind if you think Kreider till take 4 and Hayes 2-3. Kreider most likely will start at 6 y, 36 million. Hayes if he puts up 50 points which is possible is probably going to ask for 4 years, 4.5. Hagelin who sucks offensively compared to Kreider will get almost 4. Kreider does a lot offensively for the team by standing in front of the other teams net.

 

[kreidertime]

I think you are worrying a bit too much Prod. If McIlrath sticks on the team, it will help the cap out big because next year Skjei will make the team. So you are looking at Yandle and Boyle replaced by cheap guys so you are saving about 4.5 million with the difference in the players salaries.

However, as I said above. They are going to need Buchnevich to really be something dangerous on offense. To me they have to deal either Stepan or Nash next year. Unless they can get Staal or Girardi to accept a deal. That is why trading Yandle makes so much sense. They could get back a young, dangerous, offensive NHL ready forward which would make losing Stepan or Nash not as bad. If I had to choose between the two. I'd give up Nash. Stepan despite being a greedy dickhead is 24. He's a right shot and a playmaker that could develop a young wing.

I would have to think the Rangers plan going forward is this. We have three, young, playmaking centers that can score 20 goals. Those centers can continue to develop young wings with offensive talent. So, save salary on wings like Nash by dealing them. That is why they got Etem. They are confident their centers can develop him. That is probably why I might consider moving Tambellini to wing. If they intend on keeping Brassard, Hayes and Stepan at center, they have to move him. Personally, I think Stepan should be a wing. Hayes can get better on draws because of his size and strength. Stepan just sucks ass on draws and it is obvious he will never get better. He's clueless. However, I'm pretty sure the Rangers don't see it that way.

 

[Messiah717]

Christ dude, when did you turn into such a miserable dickhead? You asked me in another thread what I would do and I posted it. Nobody is throwing a fit, I'm observing how many expiring cheap contracts we have coming up. You on the other hand have contributed zero to this board over the past few months besides criticizing people trying to discuss the team so do us all a favor and pound sand.

Ok, so now you're going to throw a fit and make it personal with me because you clearly can't take criticism. Do yourself a favor. Grow the hell up.

 

[chuckd3534]

Welcome to the NHL cap situation for all teams not just us. That is why you have a limited window to win the cup. Again, no matter how well you manage the cap it is too low and too restrictive to keep a team together for more than a few seasons. That is also why not winning a cup over this recent stretch is tough because we will lose some players, and it started with Hags.

This upcoming season is huge. If we don't win the cup it is going to be so difficult to keep a lot of these guys together. The cap will go up, Boyle and Stalberg and Moore will be gone. Hopefully McIlrath and/or Skjei will be regulars on D (we'll see what happens with Yandle). So I think we'll be okay, but not everyone can be re-signed.

It is also why we must deal Klein or Yandle NOW before the season IMO. We have 8 dmen now, so get it done Gorton.

I'm also not sure if all those guys are arb eligible Prod. Miller in his 3rd season is arb eligible? Not sure about that. Not sure about Hayes and Etem either.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Can't imagine Hayes wouldn't sign a bridge deal

 

[Messiah717]

Welcome to the NHL cap situation for all teams not just us. That is why you have a limited window to win the cup. Again, no matter how well you manage the cap it is too low and too restrictive to keep a team together for more than a few seasons. That is also why not winning a cup over this recent stretch is tough because we will lose some players, and it started with Hags.

This upcoming season is huge. If we don't win the cup it is going to be so difficult to keep a lot of these guys together. The cap will go up, Boyle and Stalberg and Moore will be gone. Hopefully McIlrath and/or Skjei will be regulars on D (we'll see what happens with Yandle). So I think we'll be okay, but not everyone can be re-signed.

It is also why we must deal Klein or Yandle NOW before the season IMO. We have 8 dmen now, so get it done Gorton.

I'm also not sure if all those guys are arb eligible Prod. Miller in his 3rd season is arb eligible? Not sure about that. Not sure about Hayes and Etem either.

That's what I keep trying to explain about the cap. But now suddenly I'm a miserable dickhead because after all the years of the cap people are still complaining instead of realizing how it complicates keeping teams together. It's not horrible management it's cap management.

 

[chuckd3534]

Maybe you are right Prod:

Miller will have arbitration rights next offseason as an RFA.

 

[chuckd3534]

The Rangers reportedly have $6.75 million in cap space after today’s signings of JT Miller ($874,000) and Jesper Fast ($950,000) (NY Post)

The $6.75 million in cap space has 22 players on the roster and includes Dylan McIlrath ($600,000) and Oscar Lindberg ($650,000).

Subtracting McIlrath and Lindberg, while exposing them to waivers, would put the Rangers at $8 million in cap space and 20 players on the roster. (Hockey’s Cap)

 

[theProdigy223]

Hayes is not eligible and I didnt say he was. Miller is, as is Etem. They will each have completed their fourth seasons after this one. In fact, if you look at the reports and releases on Miller, he was fine signing the qualifier because it ensures he's up for contract next year with arb rights. We couldnt get his AAV high enough on this deal to buy out a year of arb rights.

 

[theProdigy223]

I think you are worrying a bit too much Prod. If McIlrath sticks on the team, it will help the cap out big because next year Skjei will make the team. So you are looking at Yandle and Boyle replaced by cheap guys so you are saving about 4.5 million with the difference in the players salaries.

However, as I said above. They are going to need Buchnevich to really be something dangerous on offense. To me they have to deal either Stepan or Nash next year. Unless they can get Staal or Girardi to accept a deal. That is why trading Yandle makes so much sense. They could get back a young, dangerous, offensive NHL ready forward which would make losing Stepan or Nash not as bad. If I had to choose between the two. I'd give up Nash. Stepan despite being a greedy dickhead is 24. He's a right shot and a playmaker that could develop a young wing.

I would have to think the Rangers plan going forward is this. We have three, young, playmaking centers that can score 20 goals. Those centers can continue to develop young wings with offensive talent. So, save salary on wings like Nash by dealing them. That is why they got Etem. They are confident their centers can develop him. That is probably why I might consider moving Tambellini to wing. If they intend on keeping Brassard, Hayes and Stepan at center, they have to move him. Personally, I think Stepan should be a wing. Hayes can get better on draws because of his size and strength. Stepan just sucks ass on draws and it is obvious he will never get better. He's clueless. However, I'm pretty sure the Rangers don't see it that way.

Well yeah, if you're ok with trading away major pieces then there's never really a reason to worry. I was hoping we'd be able to compete with the current core but it does not appear that it will be possible beyond this yr.

 

[chuckd3534]

That 22 players includes 8 dmen, so that will change. After Stepan is re-signed we'll have 23 players for next season. I figure we'll go with tops 22, which would be an extra forward and an extra dman.

So some dman has to go...it is a 100% lock. Could be as simple as Diaz down to the minors, which means no cap hit for us OR a trade of Klein or Yandle. But some move will happen.

Lindberg and McIlrath will be with the big club game 1.

Also means after Stepan is re-signed we are capped out period. Still don't get why Klein (or worst case Yandle) aren't being moved for a top 6 R shot winger...

 

[Ranger71]

Moving Klein would be stupid and really leave a hole in the D corps. There's really no need to do that, and doing so wouldn't even bring back a top 6 player, unless you throw in a Skjei/Buchnevich which won't happen. I'm not buying that McIlrath is definately ready for f/t action let alone being the spare. Diaz yes, he has experience though he won't knock anyone into next week. Losing Lindberg to waivers scares me alot more than McIlrath.

 

[chuckd3534]

You are missing the point 71...we have EIGHT dmen right now...NO SHOT we start the season with EIGHT dmen on the roster.

Did we sign Diaz to a one-way deal two weeks ago to send him down? Doubtful.
Did we resign McIlrath to send him down and lose him? Not happening. Pointless to do that. Trade him don't just expose him to waivers to walk for nothing. Not happening. I think he will be on this team from day one.

To me the only logical answer is deal Yandle or Klein, and I rather deal Klein, but at this point would move Yandle if we could get the forward we need.

The math does not work right now. Send Diaz down or make a deal. Only two options really. We will not have 8 dmen on the opening night roster as we are right up against the cap. If we only have 6.75 mill left to spend that covers Step and leaves us with no room at all. A dmen is going somewhere.

 

[Messiah717]

Yes, a trade is going to happen. Stay tuned.

 

[chuckd3534]

Well yeah, if you're ok with trading away major pieces then there's never really a reason to worry. I was hoping we'd be able to compete with the current core but it does not appear that it will be possible beyond this yr.

I think you are right Prod, but off base on where you are placing blame IMO. This is the NHL reality with the tight restrictive cap. You simply cannot keep your core together for many years once you become a good team and have some vets that sign for good money. That's the reality in the NHL. I don't think it is bad decisions or bad management, I think it is simply cap reality in this league.

I do think the one mistake we made was resigning Staal AND Girardi to long term deals, even though both of their AAV's on their own merit are good deals for us. The issue is we didn't need to resign both. Once we resigned G we should have moved Staal. That was a mistake given our team makeup.

Outside of that I really don't think we have made mistakes, I simply think we are dealing with cap reality of a vet team in the NHL. Is what it is for every team that has been together for a while.

As for Miller, the plus is he took the one year QO deal because he wanted to be up next year when he had arb rights. Okay well in order for that to be a big plus for him he must have a good year, otherwise we will hold all the cards. So maybe he will be sitting on a big season, which can only help us try to win a cup. Looking at the landscape and cap situation we need to win a cup in the next 2 seasons or else we will be stripped down due to the cap. This upcoming season is make or break IMO.

 

[theProdigy223]

Chuck, if it has to happen then it has to happen. My frustration comes from how they are preparing for it. Today was qualifier deadline day and we still have the most expensive goalie, the most expensive D and an awful Glass contract, and we didnt have enough room to buy out another year for Miller. That leaves us at risk if, as you said, he breaks out. Likewise for Etem. If they both break out to the point that it brings us a cup then awesome. But if not and they both score 20, next year will be dicey because the front office didnt clear the necessary space in time to lock up a least one of those guys for an extra year. All I'm saying.

 

[Messiah717]

We know this team has been in a win now mode. Thinking about two seasons from now the summer before this season is like banging your head against a wall.

 

[Ranger71]

Miller at less than 1m with how he progressed last year could be a nice bargain.

 

[kreidertime]

What frustrates me is how teams traded Pronger and Savard and this team can't find a way to get rid of freakin Glass. Mind boggling.

The reality is that all teams get restructured. The BlackHawks do it every couple years. They lose major players. They just decide to keep the same 4 and 5 and build around them. This team has played with Lundqvist a long time and not won anything. It's not his fault. So to me, trading a Nash and going with some other wings is not the end of the world. It's who they want to build around the next 4-5 years. I'm assuming it's still Hank, McDonagh, Stepan, Brassard, Hayes and Kreider.