Minnesota man killed in car during traffic violation for busted tail light.

[Bandwagonfansince77]

Philando Castile Had Been Stopped 52 Times By Police

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — When Philando Castile saw the flashing lights in his rearview mirror, it wasn’t unusual. He had been pulled over at least 52 times in recent years in and around the Twin Cities and given citations for minor offenses including speeding, driving without a muffler and not wearing a seat belt.


He was assessed at least $6,588 in fines and fees, although more than half of the total 86 violations were dismissed, court records show.


Was Castile an especially bad driver or just unlucky? Or was he targeted by officers who single out black motorists like him for such stops, as several of his family members have alleged?

...

Many charges were dismissed, but Castile pleaded guilty to some, mostly for driving after his license was revoked and driving with no proof of insurance. However, those two charges also were the most frequently dismissed, along with failing to wear a seat belt.

The records show no convictions for more serious crimes.

No recent information is available on the racial breakdown of drivers stopped or ticketed by police in Falcon Heights, the mostly white suburb where the shooting occurred, or in other Minnesota towns. Minnesota is not among the handful of states that require police to keep such data.

But in 2001, the Legislature asked for a racial profiling study and it fell to Kearney, then at the Institute on Race & Poverty at the University of Minnesota Law School, to conduct it. His study, using information supplied voluntarily by 65 law enforcement jurisdictions in the state, found a strong likelihood that racial and ethnic bias played a role in traffic stop policies and practices. Overall, officers stopped minority drivers at greater rates than whites and searched them at greater rates, but found contraband in those searches at lower rates than whites.

The analysis found the pattern was more pronounced in suburban areas. In Fridley, New Hope, Plymouth, Sauk Rapids and Savage combined, blacks were stopped about 310 percent more often than expected.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/09/philando-stops/

#crickets

So the usual suspects ignore this point and start critiquing the girlfriend of the victim. Ok.

Ever interact with people in shock?

Please, guys. These comments... It really is making you look... not so good.

Acute stress reaction/ mental shock: numbing; emotional detachment; depersonalization (divorced of one's own physicality, emotions, feelings, etc), amongst other possible symptoms.

And also, assuming what a mother will do in a situation like this is pointless and an uneducated guess.

You know damn well you better be calm and not do anything sudden like reach in the backseat to console your child when a cop that just unloaded four shots into your boyfriend has his gun now trained on you! A lot of good being a protective mother is if you're dead.

Honestly, some of the comments on this board are borderline...( fill in the blank)

 

[Bandwagonfansince77]

Did anyone ever figure out what the objective is, of a demonstration in Dallas, about a guy dead by cop in Minnesota? No one in Texas has any control over police hiring, policy or tactics in Minnesota. No funding for the police in Minnesota is provided by anything or any person in Dallas
So why does BLM hold a demonstration in Dallas over shit that went down in another state? I probably am not going to like the answer but if it is more than just ignorance, I would like to know. I can't think of a thing, except it was to stir up trouble where no trouble began. But why? No doubt the shooter knew and used the event to accomplish his goal. But why was it staged? For the Shooter?

It's the United States, so people care about what happens in other states. I understand the south wanted to leave the Union, but we are whole again.

I know you are big on the importance of our constitution, so I know you are aware of the RIGHT, not privilege, to peacefully assemble. They felt the need to get together and have their grievances heard.

Is the 2nd amendment the only thing you care about?

Yes, snarky comments by me, but I am losing all patience with... Dammit!! I'm being trolled!!!!

Well played, gentlemen. Well played!

Shall we play a game of chess, anyone?

 

[MarAzul]

They felt the need to get together and have their grievances heard.

Well I will try to ignore the snarky because the question I ask was real and I would like an answer, if anyone has one. Sly threw out a similar snark to the same
questions, but like you did not answer my questions.

I assume that in ideal world, the result you expect from a protest is a change by the government that satisfies your grievance. If your stated grievance is with the cops in Minnesota, why not stage the protest in their yard? Their town? How can they possible expect the powers in charge of Texas to alter the actions of the cops in Minnesota?

Now if the there is no expectation to motivate a change, wtf are they doing? They sure brought hell to some cops that did no wrong. So much for the peaceful.
Or did they achieve what they wanted, dead cops! Any will do.


later edit

Ah! A partial answer.

The jackass leader Jeff Hood, is one of their own, from Texas, a Phd no less.

Obviously out to raise mayhem, he has to know their was no chance of effecting change in Minnesota, Louisiana, what ever.

Now, the next question. Do you let this loud mouth prick go out and whip up another crowd into a frenzies again? This is not a peaceful man, he took his style from Rev Wright and threw the teachings of Jesus in the trash can.

http://revjeffhood.com/me/

 

[MarAzul]

I suspect Jeff Hood is guilty of Sedition. He was not acting like the leader of a peaceful protest, his rhetoric actions, grievances, and results all lead to Sedition.

Three Presidents to my knowledge have used anti Sedition law in our history to put down disruption by sedition:
John Adams
Abraham Lincoln
Woodrow Wilson

I don't think they were all valid cases but if Barrack Obama were to go there today, I think it would be valid.
But instead, he told NATO the problems was guns. I couldn't tell but I imagine that got some muffled chuckles.
Probably a few, WTF! Why you telling us?

 

[Bandwagonfansince77]

Well I will try to ignore the snarky because the question I ask was real and I would like an answer, if anyone has one. Sly threw out a similar snark to the same
questions, but like you did not answer my questions.

I assume that in ideal world, the result you expect from a protest is a change by the government that satisfies your grievance. If your stated grievance is with the cops in Minnesota, why not stage the protest in their yard? Their town? How can they possible expect the powers in charge of Texas to alter the actions of the cops in Minnesota?

Now if the there is no expectation to motivate a change, wtf are they doing? They sure brought hell to some cops that did no wrong. So much for the peaceful.
Or did they achieve what they wanted, dead cops! Any will do.


later edit

Ah! A partial answer.

The jackass leader Jeff Hood, is one of their own, from Texas, a Phd no less.

Obviously out to raise mayhem, he has to know their was no chance of effecting change in Minnesota, Louisiana, what ever.

Now, the next question. Do you let this loud mouth prick go out and whip up another crowd into a frenzies again? This is not a peaceful man, he took his style from Rev Wright and threw the teachings of Jesus in the trash can.

http://revjeffhood.com/me/

Just because you or I don't like their language gives us no right or power to stop a peaceful assembly.

If you really are serious about an explanation without snarky remarks I can do my best.

Let me know.

 

[MarAzul]

I don't like their language

The language was seditious, the results were appalling. But I really asked what the expectation could possible been other than what we got?

No Right or Power? Oh I think this particular little asshole would fold faced with very little power.

 

[Minstrel]

I assume that in ideal world, the result you expect from a protest is a change by the government that satisfies your grievance. If your stated grievance is with the cops in Minnesota, why not stage the protest in their yard? Their town? How can they possible expect the powers in charge of Texas to alter the actions of the cops in Minnesota?

It's not just a Minnesota problem. BLM and general advocates for police reform want such conversations everywhere. Protests and demonstrations for a national issue make sense anywhere.

 

[MarAzul]

It's not just a Minnesota problem. BLM and general advocates for police reform want such conversations everywhere. Protests and demonstrations for a national issue make sense anywhere.

You still avoid answering anything. Cops are not national employees. What rational mind thinks they were airing their grievances to the proper authorities?
The only result possible from their action was nothing or mayhem. We got mayhem. They achieved no fix for any grievance and had no chance to do so.

That sir is stupidity in action, resulting in tragedy.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is the Black Lives Matters website and what they are asking for in multiple cities in the Untied States.

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/

I have posted this multiple times. While I don't agree with all of it, it's well thought out and worth discussing.

@MarAzul there is a answer to your question about why there was a protest in Dallas. It's not the only answer but it is one. Just like police departments adopt policing tactics from other departments around the nation, other communities are demanding at the very least discussions into police reform in their cites and towns.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Minstrel]

You still avoid answering anything. Cops are not national employees. What rational mind thinks they were airing their grievances to the proper authorities?

There are police departments in every part of the nation and the issue of police reform is a national issue. A discussion about reforming how police do things is something that BLM wants all across the nation, not just in Minnesota. Every shooting by the police has not been in Minnesota.

 

[MarAzul]

There are police departments in every part of the nation and the issue of police reform is a national issue. A discussion about reforming how police do things is something that BLM wants all across the nation, not just in Minnesota. Every shooting by the police has not been in Minnesota.

Then their demonstration in Dallas was an ill advised shame with no chance of accomplishing a damn thing.

This is the bull shit they want;
Their plans calls for:

• Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones
• using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face
• making standards for reporting police use of deadly force
• independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct
• having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve
• requiring officers to wear body cameras
• providing more training for police officers
• ending for-profit policing practices
• ending the police use of military equipment
• implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct

Hillary urges them to go for this crap. Looks like a Constitutional amendment would be needed to me. Who the hell besides these jokers wants a national police policy?
No one. I sure as hell don't want the local police department dictated to by BLM or any other body in another state or the Federal Government.. We have enough damn trouble because that is happening today underhanded by the Government funding local police to enforce laws the Feds have on their agenda.

In any case, these peanut minds is Dallas had no chance of affecting their foolish goals demonstrating in Dallas and look at the carnage they brought with their fools work.
http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...klivesmatter_movement_for_dallas_carnage.html

The BlM and fools like Jeff Hood get people killed. They chanted for dead cop in NY, they got two dead cops. Now five more in Dallas.
It pisses me off no end to see any of my countryman support this outright anarchy.

Don't bother responding to this, catch the next rocket shot to Mars, instead. You can lead the effort there.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is the bull shit they want;
Their plans calls for:

• Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones
• using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face
• making standards for reporting police use of deadly force
• independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct
• having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve
• requiring officers to wear body cameras
• providing more training for police officers
• ending for-profit policing practices
• ending the police use of military equipment
• implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct

Why is some of this bullshit? You yourself have said the police needs more training. What's wrong with body cameras?

The Portland Police didn't have drug testing for their officers until 2012. Many departments don't have any drug testing.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Then their demonstration in Dallas was an ill advised shame with no chance of accomplishing a damn thing.

This is the bull shit they want;
Their plans calls for:

• Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones
• using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face
• making standards for reporting police use of deadly force
• independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct
• having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve
• requiring officers to wear body cameras
• providing more training for police officers
• ending for-profit policing practices
• ending the police use of military equipment
• implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct

Hillary urges them to go for this crap. Looks like a Constitutional amendment would be needed to me. Who the hell besides these jokers wants a national police policy?
No one. I sure as hell don't want the local police department dictated to by BLM or any other body in another state or the Federal Government.. We have enough damn trouble because that is happening today underhanded by the Government funding local police to enforce laws the Feds have on their agenda.

In any case, these peanut minds is Dallas had no chance of affecting their foolish goals demonstrating in Dallas and look at the carnage they brought with their fools work.
http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...klivesmatter_movement_for_dallas_carnage.html

The BlM and fools like Jeff Hood get people killed. They chanted for dead cop in NY, they got two dead cops. Now five more in Dallas.
It pisses me off no end to see any of my countryman support this outright anarchy.

Don't bother responding to this, catch the next rocket shot to Mars, instead. You can lead the effort there.

So....accountability equals anarchy. Got it. Thank you for the civics lesson........

 

[MarAzul]

More the half the items on the list are foolish:

• Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones (local matter)
• using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face (good idea but local matter)
• making standards for reporting police use of deadly force (Good idea)
• independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct
• >>> District Attorneys are responsible for deciding who gets prosecuted including police. Who the hell else do you want doing this?? Your district attorney is elected, if you don't like the way the do the job, hold them accountable! WTF is a demonstration in Dallas to do with this??
• having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve (Local matter, Dallas has a Black Chief) (We have Black Sherriff in Coos County, perhaps the only Black man in the County but we don't need BLM oversight)
• requiring officers to wear body cameras (Bull shit but local matter, extra cost)
• providing more training for police officers (how did they even know this this is needed every where?)
• ending for-profit policing practices (outstanding recommendation)
• ending the police use of military equipment (Local issure for sure)
• implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct (ok but ?? They do get prosecuted now!)

 

[Minstrel]

This is the bull shit they want;
Their plans calls for:

• Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones
• making standards for reporting police use of deadly force
• independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct
• having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve
• requiring officers to wear body cameras
• providing more training for police officers
• ending for-profit policing practices
• ending the police use of military equipment
• implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct

All of the above seem reasonable. I'm less sure about the community oversight for misconduct, though I do think the community could have some role.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

More the half the items on the list are foolish:

• Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones (local matter)
• using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face (good idea but local matter)
• making standards for reporting police use of deadly force (Good idea)
• independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct
• >>> District Attorneys are responsible for deciding who gets prosecuted including police. Who the hell else do you want doing this?? Your district attorney is elected, if you don't like the way the do the job, hold them accountable! WTF is a demonstration in Dallas to do with this??
• having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve (Local matter, Dallas has a Black Chief) (We have Black Sherriff in Coos County, perhaps the only Black man in the County but we don't need BLM oversight)
• requiring officers to wear body cameras (Bull shit but local matter, extra cost)
• providing more training for police officers (how did they even know this this is needed every where?)
• ending for-profit policing practices (outstanding recommendation)
• ending the police use of military equipment (Local issure for sure)
• implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct (ok but ?? They do get prosecuted now!)

Where are you getting that they don't want this to be local?

BLM doesn't want to run your local sheriff's office.

 

[MarAzul]

So....accountability equals anarchy. Got it. Thank you for the civics lesson........

You are welcome, perhaps your take did not take what I put, but your welcome.

 

[MarAzul]

There are police departments in every part of the nation and the issue of police reform is a national issue. A discussion about reforming how police do things is something that BLM wants all across the nation, not just in Minnesota. Every shooting by the police has not been in Minnesota.

You yourself have said the police needs more training.

Not quite, I said they need different policies for the way they do their job. Using tactics that will reduce confrontation and reduce the tendency to resist . Perhaps especially in Black neighborhoods. Long story here, not going to repeat.
Some may need more training but I doubt that can be made a general statement.

What's wrong with body cameras?

More cost and it should be a local decision. They can not possible wear enough cameras to get every angle to satisfy all people that want to second guess the prosecutor.

Where are you getting that they don't want this to be local?

They want this whole list implemented nationally so I read, their are tracking Presidential candidates for a position on these goals, and Minstrel said so above.

BLM doesn't want to run your local sheriff's office.

Good! But it does seem they want to tell him how to do it. I sort of think it should be up to my neighbored and me. And in that capacity, I had a bit of a chat with him a few years back, about all the deputies out there stopping me and other folks about seat belts. It gets to be a pain in the ass, being stopped to see if they can catch you without a seat belt. Well it turns out he gets funding based on stops and convictions from the Federal government. Real bullshit in my view. I sort of had fun with the rookie deputy in court over this though.

 

[theprunetang]

I think MarAzul is still feeling salty about the "freedom fighters" from Eastern Oregon and now hates anything that can be abbreviated as BLM.

 

[MarAzul]

Minstrel, I am not hostile, perhaps the word you needed is assertive. And I was kidding about the Mars shot.

 

[Minstrel]

They want this whole list implemented nationally so I read, their are tracking Presidential candidates for a position on these goals, and Minstrel said so above.

Not as a federal (national) law, but locally across the nation. When I said it's a "national issue," I meant that it's something that needs to be discussed and handled all across the nation, not that there needs to be one law across the nation do this. Where BLM holds its protests isn't relevant because the issue matters everywhere. Real change will happen locally, but it should be talked about nationally.

 

[MarAzul]

I think MarAzul is still feeling salty about the "freedom fighters" from Eastern Oregon and now hates anything that can be abbreviated as BLM.

Ah! the real BLM isn't so bad except for policies that promote cows shitting in the creeks. Getting Cops killed is another thing though, especially with tactics that can hardly result in anything other than chaos and tragedy.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Not quite, I said they need different policies for the way they do their job. Using tactics that will reduce confrontation and reduce the tendency to resist . Perhaps especially in Black neighborhoods. Long story here, not going to repeat.
Some may need more training but I doubt that can be made a general statement.


More cost and it should be a local decision. They can not possible wear enough cameras to get every angle to satisfy all people that want to second guess the prosecutor.


They want this whole list implemented nationally so I read, their are tracking Presidential candidates for a position on these goals, and Minstrel said so above.


Good! But it does seem they want to tell him how to do it. I sort of think it should be up to my neighbored and me. And in that capacity, I had a bit of a chat with him a few years back, about all the deputies out there stopping me and other folks about seat belts. It gets to be a pain in the ass, being stopped to see if they can catch you without a seat belt. Well it turns out he gets funding based on stops and convictions from the Federal government. Real bullshit in my view. I sort of had fun with the rookie deputy in court over this though.

Now you get it. You've gone from "I don't understand what they want!" to "Now I do understand, I may not agree with it, but I'm having a rational discussion about it."

All groups have extremists in them but having these types of discussions is all that the majority of BLM supporters are asking for.

 

[Minstrel]

Minstrel, I am not hostile, perhaps the word you needed is assertive. And I was kidding about the Mars shot.

I actually removed that post asking why the hostility as soon as I made it. I initially posted it not because I was hurt, but I was wondering if I was not communicating what I meant, causing anger/annoyance. But I deleted it because I figured asking about hostility might just amp things up further. I don't have any issue with your phrasing or the "Mars shot" thing.

 

[MarAzul]

There are police departments in every part of the nation and the issue of police reform is a national issue. A discussion about reforming how police do things is something that BLM wants all across the nation, not just in Minnesota. Every shooting by the police has not been in Minnesota.

Really! They expect Bandon to adopt their wish list because of the Dallas demonstration?

Dallas already has a Black chief of police, it sure seems the put the wrong cops in jeopardy with their bull shit.

 

[MarAzul]

Now I do understand

No I don't SLY!

I don't understand protesting anywhere to affect change some where else. Dallas cops haven't been in the forefront for blowing people away. Dallas has a Black Chief.
I don't understand some asshole amping people up with "God Damn White America"!
I don't understand "fry em like bacon"!
I don't understand " what do you want? Dead Cops"!
I don't understand anyone that thinks the laws in another state should be like they want it, but no state has.
I don't understand "Peaceful Demonstrations" that do result in dead Cops. More than once now.
I don't understand why liberals support any of this shit. (Except it feels good! Or you are on the right side.)

I do know how to correct some of their grievances, but I don't think they will ever hear it. Most here didn't hear it when I said it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I don't understand protesting anywhere to affect change some where else. Dallas cops haven't been in the forefront for blowing people away. Dallas has a Black Chief.

A black chief doesn't even come close to addressing the majority of their concerns.

 

[MarAzul]

A black chief doesn't even come close to addressing the majority of their concerns.

Oh fucking marvelous Sly! How many of the things on their list are valid grievances that do need to be addressed in Dallas?
I think none!

I do think Dallas probably need to make the policy changes in procedures that I would do to reduce confrontation. But they haven't been gunning down folk too badly lately.

 

[MarAzul]

Anyone here see that interview where the Black guy said, he didn't like to have to be subservient around a cop?
Didn't anyone here see the post by Bodyman about how he acts when he is stopped?
Did anyone here see my response to Bodyman's post on how I act when stopped, and that I notice how my appearance can effect apprehension in a police officer?