Minnesota man killed in car during traffic violation for busted tail light.

[SlyPokerDog]

Oh fucking marvelous Sly! How many of the things on their list are valid grievances that do need to be addressed in Dallas?
I think none!

A simple google search reveals the Dallas area police departments have problems.


Two Former Ellis Co. Deputies Pawned Stolen Guns: Warrant
"LOL I wld be a good crook!" one reportedly texted to the other

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Tw...6161.html?_ga=1.90784479.498719878.1467955709

Ex-Farmers Branch officer who fatally shot Dallas teen had twice been accused of using excessive force

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/201...es-farmers-branch-former-police-officer.html/


Farmers Branch officer has been charged with murder three days after fatally shooting a teenager and wounding another.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/201...lf-in-spokesman-for-victims-family-says.html/

 

[MarAzul]

Geez ^ ^^

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Did anyone here see my response to Bodyman's post on how I act when stopped, and that I notice how my appearance can effect apprehension in a police officer?

Here is the ORS on that.

Vehicle(s) Subject to Impound.

1. Notwithstanding subsection (A) of this section, whenever a motor vehicle is being operated by a person whose operator’s license or driving privilege is suspended, canceled, or revoked and a traffic citation is issued or a physical arrest made for any violation of the Oregon Vehicle Code, or the driver of the motor vehicle is without proof of liability insurance as required by the Oregon Vehicle Code, the motor vehicle is subject to immediate tow by a licensed towing company.
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You're vehicle being impounded is very expensive, seems odd that you didn't mention that yours was.

 

[MarAzul]

Here is the ORS on that.

Vehicle(s) Subject to Impound.

1. Notwithstanding subsection (A) of this section, whenever a motor vehicle is being operated by a person whose operator’s license or driving privilege is suspended, canceled, or revoked and a traffic citation is issued or a physical arrest made for any violation of the Oregon Vehicle Code, or the driver of the motor vehicle is without proof of liability insurance as required by the Oregon Vehicle Code, the motor vehicle is subject to immediate tow by a licensed towing company.
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You're vehicle being impounded is very expensive, seems odd that you didn't mention that yours was.

You jumped the tracks again Sly. Or are you just hijacking the subject? The subject I raised was about how you act when stopped as did Bodyman.

No my vehicle was not towed.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You jumped the tracks again Sly. Or are you just hijacking the subject? The subject I raised was about how you act when stopped as did Bodyman.

No my vehicle was not towed.

and that I notice how my appearance can effect apprehension in a police officer?

I was agreeing with you, your appearance did effect the stop. You appeared white so the officer didn't follow the law.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

This won't even be a worry in the future. The cop will be in an armored car, he'll send the robot with 2 arms to the vehicle. One will be held out for the driver to give license and registration. The other will have C4 in it, if the driver doesn't give the robot the documents in 30 seconds or less....boom.

 

[MarAzul]

I was agreeing with you, your appearance did effect the stop. You appeared white so the officer didn't follow the law.

Ha! Actually I had six different stubs as proof of insurance. Five were out of date and one was current. The asshole wouldn't help me read which was the correct one.
So she gave me the ticket which then made it mandatory to go to court. The towing is optional as you can tell, "subject to" not must be towed.

She was a liberal chic and I a dirty old white man in a dirty old pickup truck. Might be a notch up to be black.
To say nothing that the stop was for the seat belt that I had on for crap sake.

 

[theprunetang]

I was agreeing with you, your appearance did effect the stop. You appeared white so the officer didn't follow the law.

This.

 

[Minstrel]

She was a liberal chic

Liberal chic? Is that a new fashion style? Sounds cool.

Might be a notch up to be black

Yes, it's generally better to be black in America. They're the elite ruling class.

 

[MarAzul]

This.

I'll be darned, Sly did manage to hijack the subject.
Does it hurt when you bite the bait?

 

[MarAzul]

elite ruling class

Well at least it will skip you.

 

[MarAzul]

Look at this, Sly throws some bait out there and the they're off on a new track.
Well Ta TA.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ha! Actually I had six different stubs as proof of insurance. Five were out of date and one was current. The asshole wouldn't help me read which was the correct one.
So she gave me the ticket which then made it mandatory to go to court. The towing is optional as you can tell, "subject to" not must be towed.

She was a liberal chic and I a dirty old white man in a dirty old pickup truck. Might be a notch up to be black.
To say nothing that the stop was for the seat belt that I had on for crap sake.

But here is the deal, all insurance companies upload current insurance information to the DMV. When the cops run the plate they instantly know if the registration on the vehicle is current, valid, and whose name it's in. They also know if the vehicle has insurance. In Oregon it's the vehicle that must be insured, not the driver. If you lend your truck to a neighbor and he gets pulled over he has to show proof that the truck is insured, not that he is insured to drive your truck. Anyway, the police already know if the car has valid registration and insurance when they run the plate. Not having paper to support that is BS. The officer knew your vehicle was insured in your name once they ran the plate and saw your drivers license. Yet they still wrote you a ticket.

Here in Portland the police have automatic plate readers, they are immediately notified if your car doesn't have a valid registration or insurance. They don't need pieces of paper.

In other words this traffic stop you're so proud of resulted in the officer issuing you a ticket that while was technically correct was complete BS. You were given a ticket for not having proof of insurance, not for not having insurance. She knew you had insurance when she issued the ticket.

 

[theprunetang]

I'll be darned, Sly did manage to hijack the subject.
Does it hurt when you bite the bait?

I am not sure how that is hijacking the subject. This is what the entire thing is about. A white person has a much better chance of being alive and healthy after a random traffic stop. This is something that has become quite apparent recently. Protests (which is a right that is as strong as the right carry a weapon) can and should happen anywhere, as this is a systemic thing. There is a disparity between races that covers all 50 states.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'll be darned, Sly did manage to hijack the subject.

Four surgeons sit around discussing their favorite patients.

The first surgeon says, "I like operating on librarians. When you open them up, everything is in alphabetical order".

The second surgeon says, "I like operating on accountants. When you open them up, everything is in numerical order".

The third surgeon says, "I like operating on electricians. When you open them up, everything is color coded."

The fourth surgeon says, "I like operating on politicians."

The other three surgeons look at each other in disbelief.

The fourth surgeon continues, "Because they're heartless, gutless, spineless, and the ass and head are interchangeable."

 

[MarAzul]

A white person has a much better chance of being alive and healthy after a random traffic stop.

Ah! now we are cutting to the meat! There does seem to be a problem and the reason sure should be understood. I doubt it can be just flat out stated it is color.
More likely there is another cause here, like I really don't think cops like to shoot black people, but what is it that gets some shot? Got any ideas?

The thing I threw out there to begin with was the Black guy that said (interview somewhere) that he didn't like having to act subservient around the police.

Then there was Bodyman giving his how to act. I gave a how to act post. ( not the vehicle towed shit, that was defection)

What up here?

 

[theprunetang]

Ah! now we are cutting to the meat! There does seem to be a problem and the reason sure should be understood. I doubt it can be just flat out stated it is color.
More likely there is another cause here, like I really don't think cops like to shoot black people, but what is it that gets some shot? Got any ideas?

The thing I threw out there to begin with was the Black guy that said (interview somewhere) that he didn't like having to act subservient around the police.

Then there was Bodyman giving his how to act. I gave a how to act post. ( not the vehicle towed shit, that was defection)

What up here?

Maybe one should not be expected to act subservient to a publicly paid officer. That is the worst part about this though, even when a black person acts subservient towards an officer they still get killed. If you can't understand this I really don't have anything to share with you.

 

[MarAzul]

Four surgeons sit around discussing their favorite patients.

The first surgeon says, "I like operating on librarians. When you open them up, everything is in alphabetical order".

The second surgeon says, "I like operating on accountants. When you open them up, everything is in numerical order".

The third surgeon says, "I like operating on electricians. When you open them up, everything is color coded."

The fourth surgeon says, "I like operating on politicians."

The other three surgeons look at each other in disbelief.

The fourth surgeon continues, "Because they're heartless, gutless, spineless, and the ass and head are interchangeable."

Well at least the guy had a reason to like politicians. All I can see is ass in most of mine.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Well at least the guy had a reason to like politicians. All I can see is ass in most of mine.

You're supporting me hijacking threads! :MARIS61:

 

[MarAzul]

If you can't understand this I really don't have anything to share with you.

I think you already close your mind. Yes I am sure if I understood more, things would be fine.
Have a good day.

 

[MarAzul]

You're supporting me hijacking threads!

You are clever at it Sly. I expect you can even understand more than you will admit.

 

[theprunetang]

I think you already close you mind. Yes I am sure if I understood more, things would be fine.
Have a good day.

I will have a good day, and I hope the same for you. If you could actively try to be more empathetic to other people's situations, you wouldn't be asking the questions you are asking. You seem to compare other people's experiences to your own, assuming that everything is equal. Things are not equal. Look at life outside of your personal perspective maybe once in your life.

 

[Minstrel]

Ah! now we are cutting to the meat! There does seem to be a problem and the reason sure should be understood. I doubt it can be just flat out stated it is color.
More likely there is another cause here, like I really don't think cops like to shoot black people, but what is it that gets some shot? Got any ideas?

I don't think these cops like shooting black people or desire to shoot black people. There have been studies to show that white people often interpret body language and gestures differently when a black person does them as opposed to when a white person does it. If I were to venture a theory, it's that police (subconsciously) interpret behaviors that they'd view as innocuous if a white person did them as significantly more dangerous or threatening when they come from black people. Which leads to shooting deaths that look absurd in retrospect.

 

[MarAzul]

Look at life outside of your personal perspective maybe once in your life.

Aw gee! Now you are going to rude. I don't want to do battle with you. But I would suggest your take on what I am speaking about is shallow.
However, I still wish you a good day, further discussions with you would be pointless.

 

[e_blazer]

I am not sure how that is hijacking the subject. This is what the entire thing is about. A white person has a much better chance of being alive and healthy after a random traffic stop. This is something that has become quite apparent recently. Protests (which is a right that is as strong as the right carry a weapon) can and should happen anywhere, as this is a systemic thing. There is a disparity between races that covers all 50 states.

Here are the sats for this year so far for people killed by the police. This isn't just limited to traffic stops, but from all types of situations:

509 people killed - 238 white, 123 black, 79 Hispanic, 46 unknown, 23 other.

https://www.statista.com/chart/5211/us-citizens-killed-by-police-2016/

Given that blacks account for around 13% of the US population is black and 77% is white, that's a significant disparity.

 

[theprunetang]

Aw gee! Now you are going to rude. I don't want to do battle with you. But I would suggest your take on what I am speaking about is shallow.
However, I still wish you a good day, further discussions with you would be pointless.

I'll take that. I wasn't trying to be rude, I just find your perspective a bit lacking in depth. Your one incident with a cop is not the epitome of what that situation can entail. Open your mind up a little man. And I still wish you a great day. I don't think conversations would be pointless going forward.

 

[MarAzul]

behaviors that they'd view as innocuous if a white person did them as significantly more dangerous or
threatening

Perhaps you are partially correct. Let me ask you, is putting your hands on the wheel, sitting still, responding to questions when asked, and telling the cop what your going to do before you do it, acting too subservient?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Here are the sats for this year so far for people killed by the police. This isn't just limited to traffic stops, but from all types of situations:

509 people killed - 238 white, 123 black, 79 Hispanic, 46 unknown, 23 other.

https://www.statista.com/chart/5211/us-citizens-killed-by-police-2016/

Given that blacks account for around 13% of the US population is black and 77% is white, that's a significant disparity.

I found this interesting, it's just not the numbers but if you scroll down it gives a synopsis of each shooting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

 

[Minstrel]

Perhaps you are partially correct. Let me ask you, is putting your hands on the wheel, sitting still, responding to questions when asked, and telling the cop what your going to do before you do it, acting too subservient?

Probably, since most people don't have to do that whenever they're pulled over for minor offenses, like speeding or a tail light being out.

When specifically black people need to do those things so as not to seem "threatening," that probably is asking black people to be subservient in a sense.

 

[MarAzul]

Probably, since most people don't have to do that whenever they're pulled over for minor offenses, like speeding or a tail light being out.

When specifically black people need to do those things so as not to seem "threatening," that probably is asking black people to be subservient in a sense.

I don't see it as being subservient, it is what I do, pretty much what Bodymans says he does. As I recall Bodyman is a very big dude, I am old nasty looking and about 240 pounds, I don't like to put cops on high alert is why I do it. I know as the years have slipped by, the cops have been more and more afraid when they make their stops. I see my appearance has them all little more on edge as I aged. I see them being more leery of me when I am in my crust pickup truck rather than the Suburban.

Yes I have been stopped enough to see these things change over the years as more a more cops die each year. They are getting better but you don't want to frighten a cop. We best assume the position, even sons of former slaves and forget about subservience, just shut the fuck up and assume the position and live.

ps

Oh if your packing, for shit sake, don't tell the cop your are packing if your stopped for a taillight!
Save that for just before the pat down with hands way up.