Mirotic to New Orleans for Asik and a 1st round pick (revived)

[illmatic99]

Are you insinuating that his wings have been clipped by PA & his power/responsibilities has been limited?

Dame.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

My thought of course was that it affects the Blazers directly in 36 hours as a future opponent, but feel free to move without objection

Didn't think of that. Good point.

 

[EGame]

It’s a move to hopefully keep them in the playoff race after Demarcus went down. Portland won’t do anything and it’s up for debate whether they even should because they are playing good basketball right now. Don’t know who else would be out there to try and trade for anyway

I don't know who else is out there and while Im not an Olshey fan Im not gonna bash him because of this move the Pelicans made. But I firmly believe we really should be shopping Napier and seeing what we can get. I'm not sure we could or want to try to afford him in free agency next season with Dame and CJ both here.

 

[THE HCP]

 

[TBpup]

Because Olshey offered up that near 20 PER of one Meyers Leonard. Irresistible!

 

[THE HCP]

 

[Lukee]

Meyers and Layman for Mirotic

 

[Boob-No-More]

My thought of course was that it affects the Blazers directly in 36 hours as a future opponent, but feel free to move without objection

It's also a trade involving the team we are currently tied with in the standings and will be battling for a playoff seed.

BNM

 

[THE HCP]

 

[Denny Crane]

Harmless and a 1st for Mirotic.

Harmless and Leonard and a 1st for Mirotic.

Harmless and Vonleh and a 1st for Mirotic.

Asik has another year left on his deal, so the Bulls aren't exactly dealing for something like an expiring deal.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'd guarantee the $12.5M without hesitation.

Get 'er done, Neil!

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think Mirotic would be a HUGE upgrade from Aminu at PF.

16.8 PPG, .429 from 3pt, 6.4 RPG in only 24.9 MPG.

PER 36 are 24.3 PPG and 9.2 RPG

He has a 22.2 PER

His 108 DRtg is 2nd best on the Bulls.

He's 25 years old.

But we need the pick to POSSIBLY address the SF issue. If Collins is the PF of the future, why invest our 1st round pick on a PF?

 

[Scalma]

So what’s the issue? New Orleans doesn’t want to guarantee his second year?

 

[TBpup]

Okay, you talked me into it. Mirotic/Dunn for Turner/Napier. Trade machine says it's doable so it must be almost a done deal.

 

[Denny Crane]

But we need the pick to POSSIBLY address the SF issue. If Collins is the PF of the future, why invest our 1st round pick on a PF?

I think Collins is going to be played at C for the bulk of his career. I don't see him as a PF. Though teams do play twin towers at times.

 

[Denny Crane]

Okay, you talked me into it. Mirotic/Dunn for Turner/Napier. Trade machine says it's doable so it must be almost a done deal.

Bulls aren't trading Dunn.

 

[TBpup]

Bulls aren't trading Dunn.

Agreed...Of course they're not. Thought the tongue-in-cheek was obvious enough without going green font.

 

[JDC]

So what’s the issue? New Orleans doesn’t want to guarantee his second year?

Yup. His team option works like a partial no trade clause.

 

[Scalma]

Yup. His team option works like a partial no trade clause.

But that makes no sense to me. They’re willing to sacrifice a first just to get rid of Asik?

 

[julius]

I thought part of the issue, in regards to him playing in Portland, is that he didn't want to play in Portland.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

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I think Collins is going to be played at C for the bulk of his career. I don't see him as a PF. Though teams do play twin towers at times.

82games fallaciously considers Davis a PF, even though the only 5 man units in which they have Davis listed as a PF have Collins as a center. If they flipped them (as we know they should), Collins' "by position" figure that you posted would more accurately show him as a PF.

 

[Pinwheel1]

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I think Collins is going to be played at C for the bulk of his career. I don't see him as a PF. Though teams do play twin towers at times.

Well if that is the case, and I started the season thinking the same as you, then maybe they should trade Nurk right away.

However after watching Collins recently I do think he is agile enough to guard the perimeter when needed. Certainly as quick as Mirotic. Yes Mirotic is a better 3 pt shooter, but Collins is the better defender, especially in the post.

 

[Denny Crane]

But we need the pick to POSSIBLY address the SF issue. If Collins is the PF of the future, why invest our 1st round pick on a PF?

I'd be good with Mirotic at PF and Aminu at SF. That would allow ET to go back to being super sub/6th man.

I'd be good with ET at SF, too. That would allow Aminu to sub at both PF and SF.

I like Ed Davis so much I'd be happy to see him at PF, which is his natural position. PF as backup for Mirotic in this scenario.







(Add the 1st in any of those)

 

[AFully22]

I think Mirotic would be a HUGE upgrade from Aminu at PF.

16.8 PPG, .429 from 3pt, 6.4 RPG in only 24.9 MPG.

PER 36 are 24.3 PPG and 9.2 RPG

He has a 22.2 PER

His 108 DRtg is 2nd best on the Bulls.

He's 25 years old.

While I think Mirotic could bring immediate value to this team, I worry that we would be trading a 1st rd pick that could help facilitate a larger deal down the road (just adding Mirotic does not drastically change our projection) and that we are buying extremely high on him.

His fg%, 3pfg%, rebounding, and defensive metrics are all way up this year. He’s played 25 games at these new marks but played 280 games with much lower production. It just looks like fools gold to me.

 

[Denny Crane]

Well if that is the case, and I started the season thinking the same as you, then maybe they should trade Nurk right away.

However after watching Collins recently I do think he is agile enough to guard the perimeter when needed. Certainly as quick as Mirotic. Yes Mirotic is a better 3 pt shooter, but Collins is the better defender, especially in the post.

I like Collins' future. I think he's going to be a beast of a C at both ends. What we hoped Leonard would be.

Collins and Davis play well together because they are effective outside/inside and aren't in each other's way on offense.

If and when Collins beats out Nurk for the starting job, it's going to be great for us.

As far as Nurk's present/future, Collins is just 20 years old. If Nurk is signed to a 5 year deal, Collins will be 25 when that deal is done. I don't see the issue.

 

[riverman]

Turner is from Chicago....I think he's a guy I'd trade for Mirotic....

 

[Denny Crane]

While I think Mirotic could bring immediate value to this team, I worry that we would be trading a 1st rd pick that could help facilitate a larger deal down the road (just adding Mirotic does not drastically change our projection) and that we are buying extremely high on him.

His fg%, 3pfg%, rebounding, and defensive metrics are all way up this year. He’s played 25 games at these new marks but played 280 games with much lower production. It just looks like fools gold to me.

The bulls historically played him at SF. At PF full time, he's having the kind of season expected of him all along. Last season he was pretty good, too. 16/8 PER 36, and an even lower DRtg. His year over year progress at PF seems impressive to me, not so much fool's gold.

The Bulls had Noah and Gasol starting at PF/C with Taj Gibson as sub at PF, so the coaches played Mirotic at SF just to get him in the game.

The downside of Mirotic is that he's been a crybaby since his days with Madrid. He bitched about lack of playing time (even while being an MVP caliber player). I'm surprised he re-signed with the Bulls, though he was an RFA and the contract was a big/decent raise.

 

[Sarni]

But that makes no sense to me. They’re willing to sacrifice a first just to get rid of Asik?

And get Mirotic for half a year before Cousins returns. Unless Mirotic can play at SF (not entirely sure), he makes no sense for them permanently. Then again he would still hold value next season and they could trade him for someone in a position of need so I don't fully understand it either.

 

[JDC]

But that makes no sense to me. They’re willing to sacrifice a first just to get rid of Asik?

Asik's contract is truly terrible, but I think Cousins injury/free agency is the main reason why they aren't ready to commit to Mirotic past this year.

 

[Pinwheel1]

The downside of Mirotic is that he's been a crybaby since his days with Madrid. He bitched about lack of playing time (even while being an MVP caliber player). I'm surprised he re-signed with the Bulls, though he was an RFA and the contract was a big/decent raise.

That is a negative for sure. I like going after international players, but it seems to me that the Spaniards are too much of a headache. I know I should not generalize but they seem to act more like prima donnas than the rest of the foreign players. Yes I know he also Montenegrin, but he still is listed as a Spaniard for his nationality too