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<-=*PdX*=-> said:
So, having funding, renderings, big name backers, property under contract and now officials from a MLB openly looking to relocate their franchise coming to town doesn't equate to any forward progress. You both are clowns for this take.
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Notice I said "if it's not forward progress"

Everything you mentioned was forward progress.... soooo...

When you read, you learn.
 
I would be happy for baseball if Portland got a team here. It's fun and i have a new son to take to games.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I bet Oakland ponies up the cash and keeps the team.
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They could but Ive watched the attendance for them over the years even as a winning team and it wasn't very impressive. Smaller stadiums with improved marketing like NBA & NFL would help.
 
Hoopguru said:
They could but Ive watched the attendance for them over the years even as a winning team and it wasn't very impressive. Smaller stadiums with improved marketing like NBA & NFL would help.
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Yeah 40-50K gives the crowd more room and a better view. Then bowl it really well so it gets loud.
 
tlongII said:
The A's would be a great team to have here, but I doubt it will happen. Their baseball operations are run much better than the M's.
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The local Pee Wee League baseball operations are run much better than the M's.
 
So I didn't grow up with baseball in my life besides maybe 1 Beaver game a year with neighbors. So I could give a shit if we get a team as a "fan"....... now as for my career. This would be a game changer for me!
But am I reading right that there are actual people that DON'T want another professional team to come to our city? This can only help the economy around here right?
 
Did someone else already post this here:

https://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news...ezkWPz5z-QCUb6-RQyv9u-S8VlnAZtMWdWqWlrbX3-VrY

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Natebishop3 said:
Ewwww..... the east side.
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The people who did that aren't in any way connected to the group trying to get a team here.

The fact that they said this

"You put baseball players in Las Vegas for 81 home games and they won't be focused," Smith said. "The star players will vanish in the city with all the entertainment available."
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Doesn't really do them any favors.

And then this?

"The future of baseball media contracts is not Monday nights on ESPN — it's Fox Sports NW airing games every day of the week and selling it to the local market," Smith said. "Plus a team in Portland would automatically have an enticing rivalry with (the Seattle Mariners)."
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There's no such thing as "Fox Sports NW" anymore. Hasn't been for about 10 years.

And why would a channel, *owned* by the mariners want to have a team in Portland to compete with their own product?!
 
julius said:
The people who did that aren't in any way connected to the group trying to get a team here.

The fact that they said this



Doesn't really do them any favors.

And then this?



There's no such thing as "Fox Sports NW" anymore. Hasn't been for about 10 years.

And why would a channel, *owned* by the mariners want to have a team in Portland to compete with their own product?!
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Yeah that's pretty much what Maury Brown said



 
Hoopguru said:
Interesting article - Portland should hire the next Bing Russell if they get a team.


Baseball Saw a Million More Empty Seats. Does It Matter ...
https://www.nytimes.com › Sports › Baseball

sorry needs subscription....
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Baseball Saw a Million More Empty Seats. Does It Matter?
A 12-year slide in M.L.B. attendance has clubs turning to deals like standing room subscription passes. These days, filling the seats is less crucial to baseball’s bottom line.







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Total attendance across 2,429 regular-season M.L.B. games dropped by about a million fans in 2019, to 68.5 million.Credit...Lynne Sladky/Associated Press


By Danielle Allentuck and Kevin Draper


Published Sept. 29, 2019Updated Oct. 1, 2019

Andrew Gaare, a 25-year-old “big time” Mets fan, spent this season watching games from a perch behind center field. He is an Amazin’ Mets ballpark pass subscriber, so he can go to as many home games as he wants for $40 a month. There’s just one catch: His ticket is for standing room only with no assigned seat.

“It’s not really that bad,” Gaare said.

Even though Gaare’s pass works out to roughly $3 per game, for the Mets and other Major League Baseball clubs, Gaare represents the latest hope in baseball’s attempt to reverse a 12-year slide in attendance. He’s young, lives near the stadium and wants to attend more games at a reasonable price, making him the perfect candidate for a ballpark pass at a time when baseball will try just about anything to sell tickets.

The 2019 season will be remembered as the year of the home run, when baseballs flew out of stadiums at a historic rate. But in front offices across the sport, it will also be remembered as yet another season when attendance continued to dwindle, spurring teams to think up evermore inventive ways to get hard-core and casual fans alike to attend games.

most outdated stadiums, first implemented their subscription option A’s Access in 2017, and have gone further with it than any other major league team. It is now their only season ticket option.


Treehouse, a large area in left field that includes two bars, a patio deck, games and a D.J., with these new fans in mind.


“All of those experiences together will encompass a trip to the ballpark,” Kaval said. “That’s going to be very important as baseball continues to compete with other entertainment.”

Teams have also begun ripping out luxury suites, a decision they don’t make lightly because they account for 5 percent to 25 percent of attendance revenue, according to Todd Lindenbaum, chief executive of SuiteHop, an Airbnb-type service for luxury suites. Premium lounges have replaced them. Before this season, for instance, the Giants tore out six traditional suites and installed the Cloud Club, a semi-exclusive suitelike venue.

“Especially in this area where there are so many start-up tech companies, they want to come out, they want to hang, they want to have a meeting,” the Giants’ Alioto said. “They are having a great time. But it’s a product that we think a business consumer is looking for.”

Luxury suites have always been a tougher sell for baseball teams than their football and basketball counterparts, said Lindenbaum. It is much easier to entertain clients in a suite for eight or 10 N.F.L. games than for the 81 home dates baseball provides. But there is still interest in what he called “premium experiences.”

television agreement with Fox included a 39 percent increase over the previous deal.


Also, numerous teams, including the Los Angeles Dodgers, Texas Rangers, Los Angeles Angels, Seattle Mariners and Philadelphia Phillies, have signed long-term, multibillion-dollar deals with regional sports networks in recent years. The Tampa Bay Rays recently signed a new television deal that reportedly quadrupled their average payment.

“You can’t raise the prices of tickets, whether they be suites or regular tickets, anywhere near the value that the media rights are increasing,” Lindenbaum said.

In other words, baseball will likely be fine in the short- and medium-term, but there have to be fans watching the games for the media rights to retain their value, and nearly everyone in baseball agrees that the surest way to create lifelong fans is to have people play the sport and attend games.

Fewer fans in the stands now may very well lead to even fewer there down the road.
 

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But today baseball seems to be dying, at least in the eyes of some people. ... Others contend that summer basketball, soccer, spring football and extreme sports have combined to mitigate baseball's influence. Still others blame baseball's demise on sedentary lifestyles brought about by technology.
 
THE HCP said:
So I didn't grow up with baseball in my life besides maybe 1 Beaver game a year with neighbors. So I could give a shit if we get a team as a "fan"....... now as for my career. This would be a game changer for me!
But am I reading right that there are actual people that DON'T want another professional team to come to our city? This can only help the economy around here right?
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portland is doa. Ain’t you heard the word, FAMS?
 
Strenuus said:
Notice I said "if it's not forward progress"

Everything you mentioned was forward progress.... soooo...

When you read, you learn.
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"Save the shit until there's actually some forward progress."
That right there is exactly what you said. That forward progress was hours ago...
 
THE HCP said:
So I didn't grow up with baseball in my life besides maybe 1 Beaver game a year with neighbors. So I could give a shit if we get a team as a "fan"....... now as for my career. This would be a game changer for me!
But am I reading right that there are actual people that DON'T want another professional team to come to our city? This can only help the economy around here right?
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It would help a lot of people. Not sure why there is any opposition at all?
 
Fairly-Hard said:
It would help a lot of people. Not sure why there is any opposition at all?
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If they make the park small enough and incorporate fun into the game with creative marketing like Bing did, it will have a chance to do well. It has to be affordable for families too. They will have to learn to endure losing and still generate fan support.
 
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As long as it's self funded I'm I'm all for it.

I also think our professional athletes should be exempt from payroll tax. The economic benefit they bring is worth far more than what we get from their income tax. And if we're better we'll bring in even more.
 
Phatguysrule said:
As long as it's self funded I'm I'm all for it.

I also think our professional athletes should be exempt from payroll tax. The economic benefit they bring is worth far more than what we get from their income tax. And if we're better we'll bring in even more.
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The way that the organizers built it out, the taxes from the players salaries would pay for the stadium.
 
<-=*PdX*=-> said:
"Save the shit until there's actually some forward progress."
That right there is exactly what you said. That forward progress was hours ago...
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Exactly. So that was warranted.

It's when they send the fluff. Save it for that shit.

Like seriously, where is the problem? Thought so. Moving on.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The way that the organizers built it out, the taxes from the players salaries would pay for the stadium.
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I think that was for the original group, the current group is using that as part of the total, but mostly privately funding the rest.
 
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