Mo Williams: Okay time to exploit the Stats

[Wizard Mentor]

Mo wasn't sixth man of year on Cleveland. He was a starter and an All Star.

...and he makes an extremely small salary - Neil Olshey to rival GMs.

"Mo my good friend, I'm going to send you to a team that will start you. This will allow you to command the large salary that you deserve." - Neil Oshey to Mo Williams

Olshey double speak decoded: He's trading Mo to a tanking team for a more valuable piece.

 

[jlprk]

I like Mo.

It is settled.

 

[noknobs]

I don't mind Mo's shot-selection. I knew what his reputation was before and that some nights he'll be hot, others very cold. But what I can't accept is his defense right now. In less than two minutes, his defender went backdoor and just strolled to the rim for a lay-up. Mo wasn't denying the ball and didn't keep his head on a swivel. I know he's not a good defender. On-ball, I can live with. But when you give up easy buckets like that consistently, it's unacceptable.

When a team gives up 120 points, pointing your finger at one guy is pretty pointless. Love and Pek bent us over and had their way. Wesley said he and Batum needed to play better defense on the wings. It was a total team effort last night to suck that much on defense. But 4th road game in 5 nights, not exactly a shocker.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

It's not about his shooting. It's about how he plays horrible defense, he dribbles way too much, and he makes poor decisions. If he was just shooting a poor percentage I would understand, but he's supposed to be a veteran, All-Star point guard. He makes horrible decisions with the ball and he kills all the ball movement and momentum that the starters get going. The guy has a horrible PER. Is he Nolan Smith? No, but Nolan Smith only stayed in the NBA for four years because he was drafted in the first round. That guy never would have made it more than a year if he was a second rounder.

Ok lets trade him for a guy that can plays defense, doesn't handle the ball and makes fine decisions but can't shoot worth shit.

This is a bench guy. He is a streaky scorer cut from the same cloth as Crawford. He is what he is. We are lucky to have him for the price we paid for him. Picture out bench for a second without him playing. We'd had one game without him in it and that was against new york. Our bench scored 12 points for the game in 56 minutes. 8 of those points came from Dorell Wright, our second best bench player. Our bench is full of crap. Mo Williams and Dorell Wright are by far our best bench players and both of those guys would get time on nearly every team in the league.

Does Mo need to play better? Sure, but jesus christ. Some of you shit your pants about him on the daily and act like he is a total scrub.

 

[Natebishop3]

Ok lets trade him for a guy that can plays defense, doesn't handle the ball and makes fine decisions but can't shoot worth shit.

This is a bench guy. He is a streaky scorer cut from the same cloth as Crawford. He is what he is. We are lucky to have him for the price we paid for him. Picture out bench for a second without him playing. We'd had one game without him in it and that was against new york. Our bench scored 12 points for the game in 56 minutes. 8 of those points came from Dorell Wright, our second best bench player. Our bench is full of crap. Mo Williams and Dorell Wright are by far our best bench players and both of those guys would get time on nearly every team in the league.

Does Mo need to play better? Sure, but jesus christ. Some of you shit your pants about him on the daily and act like he is a total scrub.

Who the hell is talking about trading him? 99% of the trade talk on this forum is centered around Leonard, Claver, and Barton.

Right now, Mo can't play defense, he is doing a bad job handling the ball, he makes bad decisions, AND he can't shoot worth shit.

Look at his advanced stats to get a better idea of how he's playing:

11.3 PER (second lowest of his career)
48.9 TS% (third lowest of his career)
.08 FTr -freethrows attempted per field goal (lowest of his career)
18.9 TOV% (second highest of his career)
100 ORTG (tied for third lowest of his career)
0.3 OWS (second lowest of his career)
0.3 DWS (tied for lowest of his career)

Many of his numbers are the lowest since his rookie season. He is not playing well. Period. Neither is Wright, but Wright doesn't play nearly as much as Mo, and he doesn't handle the ball nearly as much as Mo.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

We don't really have a pass first PG on this roster. Mo's AST% of 27.3 is right at his career average and higher than both Lillard and Earl Watson. When Batum is on the floor, he helps facilitate ball movement. As long as we have two of Williams, Batum and Lillard on the floor, we are fine. But leave Mo out there without Lillard or Batum and ball movement grinds to a halt. A backcourt of Mo and Wes, with Dorell Wright at small forward gives us three good 3-point shooters, but no one to really set them up. And, that's when Mo starts looking to create his own shot - which is OK once in a while, you just don't want to rely on it for extended stretches.

BNM

I have to disagree with this a little. If you look at five man units at 82 games you will see the worst five man units are when Mo and Lillard play together, although this may mostly be due to their atrocious defensive numbers.

 

[Natebishop3]

I have to disagree with this a little. If you look at five man units at 82 games you will see the worst five man units are when Mo and Lillard play together, although this may mostly be due to their atrocious defensive numbers.

Yeah, I thought it was funny how that unit is 6-10 with a win% of 37.

Not sure how they tabulate that. Minutes played together?

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Hey, I've been crapping on Mo for awhile now, and you'd accuse me of being too negative, and now look who starts a thread on this topic.

Yeh, i was gonna ask if it's ok now to criticize Mo.
back to topic; if he could get his shooting % up to his career average, I think we could all feel better about him, maybe that will happen.
I am in favor of just cutting his minutes back, so that he plays pg when Lillard is not in the game; he and Lillard would never play on the floor at the same time. This would mean someone else would have to play backup SG minutes. I would play whoever Stotts thinks is a better defender, Barton or Crabbe. Or possible Crabbe for his 3 pt shooting when Aldridge is in the game and Barton, for his creativity, when aldridge is not in the game.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeh, i was gonna ask if it's ok now to criticize Mo.
back to topic; if he could get his shooting % up to his career average, I think we could all feel better about him, maybe that will happen.
I am in favor of just cutting his minutes back, so that he plays pg when Lillard is not in the game; he and Lillard would never play on the floor at the same time. This would mean someone else would have to play backup SG minutes. I would play whoever Stotts thinks is a better defender, Barton or Crabbe. Or possible Crabbe for his 3 pt shooting when Aldridge is in the game and Barton, for his creativity, when aldridge is not in the game.

About that..... 82games.com says Mo plays much better as a shooting guard.

He averages a higher PER as a shooting guard, and his opponent averages a lower PER.

We also have a higher win% with him at shooting guard.

 

[HailBlazers]

The rope is short as fuck around here. Micromanagment at its finest.

Mo is fine. He's not going anywhere, he's a professional. An all-star, historically decent 3 point shooter and scorer off the bench and he'll do what we need to do. Like said above, he came cheap. He came here because of a good relationship with Olshey. Olshey gets these relationships around the league and is able to land these players BECAUSE HE DOESN'T SIGN GUYS AND TRADE THEM 25 GAMES LATER BECAUSE OF SOME FUCKING OBSCURE "PER AGAINST" STAT.

We don't need to dump him for some semi-obscure player (which seems to be an obsession amoung blazer fans for some reason).

Lol, Blazer fanatics always gotta find a scapegoat

 

[420Phenom]

Mo has got to go Part Deux

A big argument for him is he bails us out in critical moments. A little analysis on that.

10 times I can count he has done that(feel free to point to others). Four times against above .500 teams. Two of those in the first month.

Spurs. http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488912
Pacers. http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400489133
Rockets. http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400489201
Suns. http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488993

Six times vs bad teams.

Kings. http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488966
Pistons. http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488978
Celtics. http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400489001
Raptors. http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400489020
76ers. http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400489220
Jazz. http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400489161

What you also need to take into account while he may bail us out from time to time, that his defense against opposing PG's is often a big reason why we need to be bailed out in the first place! Other teams constantly go at him while he is on the floor. Not only that but he has been increasingly throwing up bad shots outside the offense. Leading to a 44 to 40 drop in FG % from last month to this. He plays good against bad teams, who would have guessed it. Wes calling out bad defense? This guy a culprit. After he & Batum put so much effort, Mo comes in & disgraces that effort. He should not be playing 49% of our total minutes at guard, it is ridiculous. Come playoff time, you better hope he is "on-Mo" instead of "off-Mo", because I have a sinking feeling that will decide our chances of winning a series let alone going deep.

 

[B-Roy]

Yeah, I thought it was funny how that unit is 6-10 with a win% of 37.

Not sure how they tabulate that. Minutes played together?

It's not a surprise really. For one, both play together with the rest of the bench. Secondly, their defense together is godawful.