Mo Williams Status

[tester551]

https://twitter.com/mowilliams

Apparently he is headed on his way back to Portland tonight. Will likely miss tonight game based on the time he tweeted.

 

[Boob-No-More]

https://twitter.com/mowilliams

Apparently he is headed on his way back to Portland tonight. Will likely miss tonight game based on the time he tweeted.

1honestfan posted that same info over two hours ago. The time stamp on Mo's tweet was 2:36pm. Where is he flying in from? Depending on where he's coming from, he still may be here in time for the 7:00pm tipoff. I believe as long as he's listed on the active roster and in the scorebook, he can enter the game at anytime. So, if he doesn't make tipoff he may still be available for the second half.

BNM

 

[jlprk]

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[Natebishop3]

BNM I respect your opinion so much, but I think you're wrong this time.

Mo is a ball stopper. He over dribbles. He kills offensive flow.

In the three games since Mo has been out CJ has done:

@ Indy - 9 points off 4-4 shooting in 12 minutes.

@ Minny - 19 points off 6-12 shooting, 3 boards, 3 assists, 2 steals

Vs OKC - 13 points off 4-5 shooting, 2 assists, and 2 steals (SO FAR)

I don't care if Mo never comes back.

 

[Boob-No-More]

BNM I respect your opinion so much, but I think you're wrong this time.

Mo is a ball stopper. He over dribbles. He kills offensive flow.

In the three games since Mo has been out CJ has done:

@ Indy - 9 points off 4-4 shooting in 12 minutes.

@ Minny - 19 points off 6-12 shooting, 3 boards, 3 assists, 2 steals

Vs OKC - 13 points off 4-5 shooting, 2 assists, and 2 steals (SO FAR)

I don't care if Mo never comes back.

And that's the problem with a small sample size...

In the second half tonight C.J. scored 2 points on 1-7 shooting and had 3 more TOVs to go with the 2 he had in the first half to give him 5 for the game.

I, for one, can't wait for Mo to get back. I can't imagine how he could have possibly played worse in the second half than C.J. did tonight.

I'm not hating on C.J. I'm very pleased with his play over all considering it was only his 16th NBA game, but he's not ready to be our number 1 option off the bench. The second half tonight was very clear indication he's not there yet. He played like crap in the second half, especially in the 4th quarter. Would we have won if Mo would have gotten those 4th quarter minutes tonight? It's impossible to know, but I would have liked our chances better with the veteran Mo in the game instead of the rookie C.J.

I think in a year, or two C.J. will be better than Mo ever was, but he's not there get. Until then, we need Mo.
BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

And that's the problem with a small sample size...

In the second half tonight C.J. scored 2 points on 1-7 shooting and had 3 more TOVs to go with the 2 he had in the first half to give him 5 for the game.

I, for one, can't wait for Mo to get back. I can't imagine how he could have possibly played worse in the second half than C.J. did tonight.

I'm not hating on C.J. I'm very pleased with his play over all considering it was only his 16th NBA game, but he's not ready to be our number 1 option off the bench. The second half tonight was very clear indication he's not there yet. He played like crap in the second half, especially in the 4th quarter. Would we have won if Mo would have gotten those 4th quarter minutes tonight? It's impossible to know, but I would have liked our chances better with the veteran Mo in the game instead of the rookie C.J.

I think in a year, or two C.J. will be better than Mo ever was, but he's not there get. Until then, we need Mo.
BNM

I don't have to imagine hard to think of a time when Mo has played as badly, or worse, than CJ.

In this last five games:

2-7 (10 points)
2-8 (4 points)
1-4 (3 points)
1-7 (2 points)
3-9 (7 points)

You're talking about small sample sizes, but how many games has Mo actually put up double figures shooting?

I counted. 19 games out of 49 that he's played in has he gone over double figures. That's less than 40% of the games he has played in. CJ scored 15 last night. Mo has only gotten 15 or more points five times ALL YEAR. That's only 10% of his games. CJ has done it twice in the last two games.

The guy averages 24 minutes per game, and yet he is one of our most inconsistent scorers. He is shooting under 40% from the field. That's horrible. The guy is just flat out overrated as a scorer, he is extremely inefficient, and his over dribbling and poor decision making is really hurting the team. Since he went out CJ has really stepped up. He's shooting a combined 15-28 over the last three games for 53.5% from the field, and 7-13 from three for 54%. You say small sample size, but I say there's a direct connection between Mo going out and CJ playing markedly better.

 

[ppilot]

I think some of the Mo Williams hate is just a style of play thing. Even if he is more effective than the other players on the court some fans want to see an offense where the PG passes the ball when he comes up the court.

No, the hate has to do with him being absolutely awful this year. He is currently ranked 62th in PER for PG's in the nba.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Sadly, Nate and BNM are BOTH right.

Mo is not very good - and he is the best option on the bench.

Olshey is like a RB who scored 2 TDs (Dame and Lopez) and has fumbled every other time he touched the ball.

 

[Natebishop3]

Sadly, Nate and BNM are BOTH right.

Mo is not very good - and he is the best option on the bench.

Olshey is like a RB who scored 2 TDs (Dame and Lopez) and has fumbled every other time he touched the ball.

Right now, I think CJ is better than Mo. I wish they'd play Crabbe just to see what he can do.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I don't have to imagine hard to think of a time when Mo has played as badly, or worse, than CJ.

In this last five games:

2-7 (10 points)
2-8 (4 points)
1-4 (3 points)
1-7 (2 points)
3-9 (7 points)

You're talking about small sample sizes, but how many games has Mo actually put up double figures shooting?

I counted. 19 games out of 49 that he's played in has he gone over double figures. That's less than 40% of the games he has played in. CJ scored 15 last night. Mo has only gotten 15 or more points five times ALL YEAR. That's only 10% of his games. CJ has done it twice in the last two games.

The guy averages 24 minutes per game, and yet he is one of our most inconsistent scorers. He is shooting under 40% from the field. That's horrible. The guy is just flat out overrated as a scorer, he is extremely inefficient, and his over dribbling and poor decision making is really hurting the team. Since he went out CJ has really stepped up. He's shooting a combined 15-28 over the last three games for 53.5% from the field, and 7-13 from three for 54%. You say small sample size, but I say there's a direct connection between Mo going out and CJ playing markedly better.

You've singled out ONE stat - the ONE thing C.J. currently does better than Mo. I never said C.J. wasn't a better shooter than Mo. In fact, I compared him earlier in this thread to Travis Outlaw light. ALL C.J. gives us right now is the ability to create his own shot. He doesn't create for his teammates and he turns the ball over WAY too much. Of course, C.J. has a much higher BBIQ than Travis Outlaw and 16 games into his rookie season he's already the equivalent to Outlaw in his prime. So, obviously he has a MUCH higher ceiling than Travis Outlaw.

But, ask yourself this: of those 5 games, how many have the Blazers won? How many did we blow a 4th quarter lead? How many assists did C.J. have? More critically, how many 4th quarter assists did he have? How many TOVs did he have? More critically, how many 4th quarter TOVs did he have?

So yeah, he shoots better than Mo Williams, but does everything else worse (at this point in his young career). I don't know were to look this up, but Mike Barrett is constantly saying that Mo Williams leads the ENTIRE NBA in 4th quarter assists. We don't get that, any of that with C.J. McCollum. What we get is very, very few 4th quarter assists and multiple critical 4th quarter TOVs. I, for one, don't think it's a coincidence that we are now blowing 4th quarter leads and losing the close games we used to win. Of course, that's not all on C.J., but his poor overall 4th quarter play sure isn't helping us win those close games.

I'm not down on C.J. I just recognize his limitations. Right now, he's a shooter that can create his own shot, but does little else and turns the ball over way too much - even for a rookie.

I actually think C.J. and Mo can play well together on the second unit as they have complimentary skills. I'd like to see that when Mo comes back. Dorell has pretty much played his way out of the rotation and I'm fine with C.J. getting his minutes, but because there is more to playing basketball than a single skill, he is not yet an adequate replacement for Mo.

BNM

 

[KeepOnRollin]

It may just be my imagination but Mo seems to freeze CJ out when they are both in the game.

 

[Natebishop3]

It may just be my imagination but Mo seems to freeze CJ out when they are both in the game.

Ding ding ding!!!!

My point has been that CJ is playing exponentially better without Mo. It's not a coincidence.

Also, I don't understand how so one of the biggest arguments is that we need Mo for his scoring, but I've shown that he's a terribly inconsistent and poor shooter.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Also, I don't understand how so one of the biggest arguments is that we need Mo for his scoring, but I've shown that he's a terribly inconsistent and poor shooter.

Where did I say that? We need the assists and lack of TOVs. We don't get that from C.J. Last night he had 3 AST and 5 TOVs. That's NOT good. He continues to have more TOVs than assists. His AST/TOV ratio is 0.72, compared to Mo's 2.32 - and people around here bitch about Mo turning the ball over.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

It may just be my imagination but Mo seems to freeze CJ out when they are both in the game.

What is this based on? Yes, C.J. has gotten more FGAs that last two games (he only got 4 FGA in the IND game - without Mo in the lineup), but that's because his minutes have doubled. He's gotten 12 FGA in 26 - 28 MPG. When both Mo and C.J. were playing, C.J. regulalry got 6 or 7 FGA in 12 - 14 MPG.

I think people are grasping at straws to hate on Mo. This isn't Meyers vs. TRob situation. C.J. and Mo can play together and be productive.

BNM

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Mo Williams rarely makes the right decisions when it actually matters. He can't make shit, his assists are assists anyone could get, he sucks at defense (not that our other small guards are better at that one), and he makes mistakes when they matter most.

Some of you seem to only care about stats. Stats should take a back seat to what you see. Mo doesn't make difficult passes, he gets assists because he's swinging it to players who can actually score. C.J., so far, has not been given the role Mo has. To me, it's fairly certain that C.J. would do better than Mo if he were granted the opportunity, simply because of how much better he is.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

What is this based on? Yes, C.J. has gotten more FGAs that last two games (he only got 4 FGA in the IND game - without Mo in the lineup), but that's because his minutes have doubled. He's gotten 12 FGA in 26 - 28 MPG. When both Mo and C.J. were playing, C.J. regulalry got 6 or 7 FGA in 12 - 14 MPG.

I think people are grasping at straws to hate on Mo. This isn't Meyers vs. TRob situation. C.J. and Mo can play together and be productive.

BNM

You have the stats that say CJ is getting shots in the games that he and Mo are playing in at the same time? Would love to see them.

As I said it could easily be my imagination.

 

[Boob-No-More]

No, the hate has to do with him being absolutely awful this year. He is currently ranked 62th in PER for PG's in the nba.

And yet his PER is almost 2 points higher than C.J.'s who is getting all kinds of love in this thread. If you hate Mo because of his 11.5 PER, you must absolutely despise C.J. with his PER of 9.7.

BNM

 

[Pinwheel1]

It may just be my imagination but Mo seems to freeze CJ out when they are both in the game.

I doubt this will be a problem. How many games did they play together? CJ is earning the respect of his teammates, and if Mo was freezing him out his first few games, I find it hard to believe it would continue. I am hoping Mo and CJ can play well together. I agree CJ has played better without him, but things change. We need Mo and we also need CJ to get experience before the playoffs.

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[Boob-No-More]

You have the stats that say CJ is getting shots in the games that he and Mo are playing in at the same time? Would love to see them.

As I said it could easily be my imagination.

I don't and I don't believe such stats are readily available. And no, I'm not going to sort through the play-by-play game logs and figure it out. My only point is, C.J. gets about the same FGA/36 regardless if Mo is playing, or not.

Plus, the sample size is so small, they are still learning to play together. Mo, as a PG, needs to learn where his teammates like to receive the ball. He hasn't had a chance to build that on-court chemistry with C.J. yet.

BNM

 

[riverman]

To me, Mo isn't a prototypical pt guard, he's a 6 man..looks to push the tempo and looks to score or assist. Similar to Jason Terry. 6th man players aren't usually brought in to be lock down defenders. They're there to tire out the oppositions lock down defender and Mo is vocal on the floor, making sure guys are where they should be. I think he's a great fit and we missed him against the Thunder

 

[Boob-No-More]

To me, Mo isn't a prototypical pt guard, he's a 6 man..looks to push the tempo and looks to score or assist. Similar to Jason Terry. 6th man players aren't usually brought in to be lock down defenders. They're there to tire out the oppositions lock down defender and Mo is vocal on the floor, making sure guys are where they should be. I think he's a great fit and we missed him against the Thunder

Well said!

I don't understand this board's need to always have a scapegot - even when the team is performing well above expectations. I started this thread to simply ask when Mo would rejoin the team. It quickly turned into another round of Mo bashing and then morphed into Mo vs. C.J. (last I checked, they are on the same team). Not sure why the need to choose one over the other. I want them BOTH to play well and help the team win. Neither is perfect and both have glaring holes in their games. That's why neither is a starter at this point in their respective careers. But, both can also help the team and they are our two best bench players.

This team definitely needs their bench to step up and help the starters win some games. So, I want both Mo and C.J. available and playing their best. And, when one of them isn't, I'll leave it up to Stotts to figure out who to play and how many minutes they get.

Of course, I've always felt the same way about Leonard vs. Robinson. I want them BOTH to succeed. And, now that Freeland is out, I want them BOTH to step up and contribute. I never understood the satisfaction some posters derive from seeing a member of their team fail. Is it just the satisfaction of being able to say "I told you so" to a bunch of strangers on an internet forum?

BNM