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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-20/libyans-celebrate-qaddafi-s-end.html
 
Murdered by a mob. Not exactly the best example of due process. I wonder how the WH will spin this one. They'll want to take credit, but there is enough video out there to show exactly what type of people are now in power in Libya.
 
yup. he was captured alive and executed begging for his life.

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PapaG said:
Murdered by a mob. Not exactly the best example of due process. I wonder how the WH will spin this one. They'll want to take credit, but there is enough video out there to show exactly what type of people are now in power in Libya.
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Yes, we should spend billions of dollars and force them to be a democracy.

If they want to kill him who fucking cares. It's their country. I'm tired of being the world's babysitter.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Yes, we should spend billions of dollars and force them to be a democracy.

If they want to kill him who fucking cares. It's their country. I'm tired of being the world's babysitter.
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They had 30 years to kill him. It wasn't until Team America got involved in March that things started to move.

Is Libya in better shape now, in terms of government, than they were in March? Like it or not, this is Obama's baby, and trying to wash our hands of it is ridiculous.

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America's involvement was mainly one of support and was pretty minimal. The revolution is part of the continued destabilization of the middle east.
 
I don't think that the US should impose our idea of "due process" on another country... unless it directly impacts our citizens or relatively directly our interests as a nation. For this reason, no matter how gruesome his death, I don't worry too much about Gaddafi's death.

Of course, I am not sure that it was right for us to intervene/support his overthrow, either. He's done some bad things as the leader of that country--including some bad things against the USA--but when it comes to civil wars unless we have a lot to gain I don't think we should be involved. And, in my opinion, preventing deaths in a civil war is not enough of a reason to intervene on one side.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
I don't think that the US should impose our idea of "due process" on another country... unless it directly impacts our citizens or relatively directly our interests as a nation. For this reason, no matter how gruesome his death, I don't worry too much about Gaddafi's death.

Of course, I am not sure that it was right for us to intervene/support his overthrow, either. He's done some bad things as the leader of that country--including some bad things against the USA--but when it comes to civil wars unless we have a lot to gain I don't think we should be involved. And, in my opinion, preventing deaths in a civil war is not enough of a reason to intervene on one side.

Ed O.
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I was speaking more toward the idea of a 'democracy' taking shape in Libya when I referenced "due process", which Obama mentioned today. If not for a more friendly US-government, what was the purpose of giving both military and financial support to the killing of thousands of Libyans, if an even more brutal and theological government takes over?
 
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We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again

Change it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fall that's all
But the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie

Do ya?


There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
 
Hopefully, our own "leaders" here in America will ponder how their fates could be similar if they don't start representing their constituents in an honest and trustworthy manner.

Arab Spring and OWS are the same revolt with two different names.

Dictators of the world BEWARE!
 
Those weren't average Libyans. The mob torture murder was staged by NATO. Mussolini was killed the same way, while American soldiers waited a mile away in case the underground fighters didn't make it look real enough.

Average Libyans liked Khaddafi, a strong anti-colonialist. Europe hated him, because he rebelled against European rule all his life. Without many months of NATO bombing, the tiny number of former jailbirds could not have overthrown him.

Similarly, the US could easily be overthrown by former prison inhabitants if the US had no air force and the rest of the world provided hi-tech air cover.
 
Sociopath Hillary Clinton Laughs At News Of Gaddafi Death

“We came, we saw, he died” – Yeah and so did thousands of innocent civilians!

The Intel Hub
October 20, 2011

Secretary of State and noted war criminal Hillary Clinton was all smiles today after receiving the news that NATO and her al Qaeda friends had killed embattled Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

Showing her sociopath self, Clinton, along with a corporate media puppet, were recorded laughing at the death of a third world dictator who posed no threat to the United States while on the other hand the Libyan rebels who are now in power are literally al Qaeda fighters who have killed U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

The fact that this women could smile and make jokes while being recorded shows just how psycho she actually is. Thousands of innocent Libyans have been murdered at the hands of NATO and the al Qaeda rebels, all in the name of human rights and the need to kill Gaddafi yet Clinton thinks the whole thing is one big joke.
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jlprk said:
Similarly, the US could easily be overthrown by former prison inhabitants if the US had no air force and the rest of the world provided hi-tech air cover.
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Which is why DHS has ordered thousands of drone aircraft.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
America's involvement was mainly one of support and was pretty minimal. The revolution is part of the continued destabilization of the middle east.
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And that place is now more fucked up than ever with thousands of innocent civilians dead. Up to this point at least, it seems like Iraq all over again.

The US is like 80% of NATO too.
 
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I thought Arafat died of cirrhosis? Or, if you prefer gossip, of liver disease caused by Hepatitis or AIDS?

Other than that, you have a Democratic president trying to broker peace with a terrorist in 1995, a Democratic President trying to broker peace with a terrorist in 2009, and two instances where we chose to support the lesser of two evils in their fights against our enemies (Iran and the Soviet Union) but who later on betrayed us. Amazing that 3 of them met with untimely ends.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I thought Arafat died of cirrhosis? Or, if you prefer gossip, of liver disease caused by Hepatitis or AIDS?[/COLOR]
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All 3 are unlikely rumors.

Arafat was pronounced dead at 3:30 am UTC on 11 November at the age of 75. The exact cause of his illness is unknown.

Rumors about cause of death

Bassam Abu Sharif, Arafat's former advisor, claimed that the Mossad poisoned Arafat through his medications[124] by a lethal dose of thallium.[125] Another "senior Israeli physician" claimed in the article in Haaretz that it was "a classic case of food poisoning", probably caused by a meal eaten four hours before he fell ill that may have contained a toxin such as ricin, rather than a standard bacterial poisoning. However, in the same week as the report in Haaretz, The New York Times published a separate report, also based on access to Arafat's medical records, which claimed that it was highly unlikely that Arafat had food poisoning.[126][127] Both publications further speculated that the cause of death may have been an infection of an unknown nature or origin. However, rumors of Arafat's poisoning have persisted, especially in the Arab world. Al-Kurdi lamented the fact that Arafat's widow Suha had refused an autopsy, which would have answered many questions regarding cause of death.[128][129] In 2005, al-Kurdi called for the creation of an independent commission to carry out investigations concerning Arafat's suspicious death, stating, "any doctor would tell you that these are the symptoms of a poisoning".[128][130]

John Loftus reported on ABC radio that Arafat had died of AIDS. According to Loftus, the CIA had knowledge of his condition, and convinced Israel not to assassinate him and wait for his inevitable death of the disease, since the subsequent widespread connotations of the disease with homosexuality would discredit him.[131] David Frum, a former speechwriter for U.S. President George W. Bush, speculated that Arafat had contracted AIDS as a result of homosexual affairs with his bodyguards, based on Ion Mihai Pacepa's book Red Horizons in which Pacepa reported that he had a conversation with a Romanian intelligence officer in which this officer claimed to have video recordings of Arafat engaging in homosexual activities.[131]

In September 2005, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that French experts could not determine the cause of Arafat's death. The paper quoted an Israeli AIDS expert who claimed that Arafat bore all the symptoms of AIDS, a hypothesis later rejected in The New York Times.[126] On the issue of AIDS; a statement rejecting this suggestion was made in an article printed in numerous American news publications by an anonymous Israeli infectious disease expert; "An Israeli infectious disease specialist said he would have performed the test, if only to be thorough and to refute the rumors that surrounded the case. He said news accounts during Arafat's illness made him strongly suspect that Arafat had AIDS. But after studying the records, he said that was improbable, given the sudden onset of the intestinal troubles." This same article notes that it is also highly unlikely that Yasser Arafat died from poisoning. The article further states that Yasser Arafat died from a stroke linked to an unknown infection which could have possibly been standard food poisoning, which could kill an elderly man already in a general sick condition, which had been caused from living under Israeli siege for years in his Ramallah compound.[132][133]

According to Israel Radio, "A former Palestinian intelligence officer, attorney Fahmi Shabana, says that Yasser Arafat's political rivals were responsible for his death, and that he was poisoned with polonium. Shabana, who took part in the investigation into Arafat's death in a French hospital in 2004, said that several months after his death, the same cell murdered the head of military intelligence in Gaza, General Musa Arafat, a relative of the PLO leader, in order to prevent a blood feud. The lawyer called on Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas to reopen the investigation into Arafat's death."


Poison seems the most likely cause.
 
I was waiting for you to chime in. Much more reserved than I would've expected.
 
There's an actual Wikipedia page on the origin of Maris' tin foil hat.
 
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