Monta Ellis Agrees To Three-Year, $30M Deal With Mavericks...

[PapaG]

All that said is pure speculation.

This entire board is about speculation, isn't it?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Monta stinks as a starter, he would be decent as an instant offense type off the bench, but no way he should see the minutes he sees

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Dallas is having the worst luck with personnel. their rookie guard Shane Larkin broke his ankle in practice today and will be out 2-3 months.

Shit, they only have 3 pgs left now

 

[Further]

Dallas is having the worst luck with personnel. their rookie guard Shane Larkin broke his ankle in practice today and will be out 2-3 months.

That's too bad, I wanted to see Larkin, he is intriguing for sure. Luckily an broken ankle shouldn't be a lingering issue, once it's healed, if if heals correctly, that issue can be in his rear view mirror.

 

[PDXKass]

That's too bad, I wanted to see Larkin, he is intriguing for sure. Luckily an broken ankle shouldn't be a lingering issue, once it's healed, if if heals correctly, that issue can be in his rear view mirror.

agreed. he's got some game. at this rate, he could be back by pre-season. if not, just a few games into the season.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

It is interesting which way the Blazers went. Ellis and Hickson wold have been about 15 million. That is over what the Blazers had but with the Rockets, the Warriors, the Pelicans and others able to shed large salary pretty easily, a little wheeling and dealing could have shaved 3 million. Instead they go with CJ and Lopez and add a couple of others (hopefully significant bench role players.

Could have gotten a couple of the bigger FA names but went with the well balanced value approach.

For the record, I like the well balanced value approach, but not as excited as others about the roster. Don't think many experts will be picking the Blazers for the playoffs . . . hoping to be the surprise team out of the west (again).

 

[PapaG]

It is interesting which way the Blazers went. Ellis and Hickson wold have been about 15 million. That is over what the Blazers had but with the Rockets, the Warriors, the Pelicans and others able to shed large salary pretty easily, a little wheeling and dealing could have shaved 3 million. Instead they go with CJ and Lopez and add a couple of others (hopefully significant bench role players.

Could have gotten a couple of the bigger FA names but went with the well balanced value approach.

For the record, I like the well balanced value approach, but not as excited as others about the roster. Don't think many experts will be picking the Blazers for the playoffs . . . hoping to be the surprise team out of the west (again).

What wheeling and dealing would have netted Ellis and Hickson? Olshey already said in public that he wasn't going into next season with JJ as the starting center.

Is the team that much better only adding Ellis and McCollum this summer (and Crabbe, I suppose), which is basically what your approach would yield, since JJ was already on the team last season. Ellis is no bouncing around the league from mediocre team to mediocre team, and only scored a contract from Dallas because Cuban whiffed on everything else this summer. Dallas is on a big decline, and I won't be surprised if Dirk wants out after this season.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It is interesting which way the Blazers went. Ellis and Hickson wold have been about 15 million. That is over what the Blazers had but with the Rockets, the Warriors, the Pelicans and others able to shed large salary pretty easily, a little wheeling and dealing could have shaved 3 million. Instead they go with CJ and Lopez and add a couple of others (hopefully significant bench role players.

With Hickson and Ellis starting, we would have had the worst defense in the history of the world. I'm glad Olshey knows basketball is played at both ends of the court. Committing $45 million to those two over the next 3 years would have been an absolute disaster.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Monta Ellis has been a starter on a team that's made it to the second round of the playoffs

No thanks to him. He had a playoff PER=8.6 that year. Way to step it up when it counts. So glad Dallas signed him. It improves our odds of making the playoffs for the next 3 years.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Other impressive stats from the season when Monta Ellis "led" his team to the second round:

8.0 ppg
0.9 apg
1.8 TOV
.390 FG%
.111 3FG%
.394 eFG%
88 ORtg
112 DRtg
-0.041 WS/48

Yeah, Dallas sure pulled one over on us by giving Monta Ellis $10 million a year for the next 3 seasons. I bet you're shocked and outraged that Olshey passed on such a stud that really steps up his game in the post season. The good news for Dallas is that with Ellis starting for them they won't have to worry about him disappearing in the playoffs.

BNM

 

[NOVoodoo]

I posted the Mavericks' depth chart a week or so back, and it was looking really awkward. After this signing, Andrew Bynum going to Cleveland, the Larkin injury, and the Devin Harris deal falling flat, let's check it out -

PG - Jose Calderon/Gal Mekel/Shane Larkin (Injured)
SG - Monta Ellis/Vince Carter/Wayne Ellington
SF - Shawn Marion/(VC and Ellington)
PF - Dirk Nowitzki/Jae Crowder
C - ???

It's looking better, but it's still confusing to try to figure out what direction they're going in. It seems like they keep swinging for the fences in the off-season, but they keep striking out. They tried to get Deron Williams, then they tried to get Dwight Howard. When that fell through, they went for Bynum, and they lost out to Cleveland of all teams on that one.

What makes Dallas such an unattractive destination for free agents? They have three former All-Star veterans at their core, they have an owner that's willing to spare no expenses to win, they have the best facilities in the league, and they play in a state with great weather and great income and property tax rates. Is it because their core is too old?

The word on the internet is that their next big signing could be Samuel Dalembert, a center that's well past his prime, who'll be lucky to give you 20 mpg.

I know that Dirk Nowitzki has been the epitome of cooperative and loyal, but at what point does Cuban just say, "Fuck it, let's blow it up"? All of the signings the Mav's are making are just catapulting them to the middle.

 

[jlprk]

Dallas always swings for the fence, aiming at Hibbert types. We usually (last summer excepted) build methodically with little chip shots. Dallas gains those big stars as fast as they lose the previous ones to free agency, so the team keeps repeating in cycles. We lose ours to injuries, so we make no headway either.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Dallas always swings for the fence, aiming at Hibbert types. We usually (last summer excepted) build methodically with little chip shots. Dallas gains those big stars as fast as they lose the previous ones to free agency, so the team keeps repeating in cycles. We lose ours to injuries, so we make no headway either.

Last time the Blazers did swing at the fence like that they ended up in the WCF.

 

[julius]

Last time the Blazers did swing at the fence like that they ended up in the WCF.

well, the last time they "swung for the fences", the team imploded and went from the team considered among the best in the league to getting it's ass handed to them by the Lakers in the first round as the 8th seed.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Mavs stink

 

[Nikolokolus]

Last time the Blazers did swing at the fence like that they ended up in the WCF.

So ... in your opinion going after Monta Ellis would have been "swinging at the fence?" Christ, that's depressing.

 

[Run BJM]

I know that Dirk Nowitzki has been the epitome of cooperative and loyal, but at what point does Cuban just say, "Fuck it, let's blow it up"? All of the signings the Mav's are making are just catapulting them to the middle.

There was an interesting discussion on a Warriors board I frequent about whether or not Cuban "gets it". It seemed like he did all the way through when they won the champoinship, then he let Chandler go, effectively dismantling a championship team, and sold out for Dwight. That was a big failure, obviously, but we all knew the risk going into it. The question now is what the hell is he thinking with all of these FA signings? There's more FA next year he could try to get, or he could just blow it up altogether. Overpaying for free agents that won't put them over the top just doesn't seem like a Cuban thing to do.

I do think Cuban gets it, but hes never going to give up Dirk or give up on Dirk. Their relationship is pretty unique, but I think its blinding Cuban a bit. The Mavs appear as though they'll be a middling fringe playoff team for the duration of Dirk's career. Seems like a lose lose situation for the team and the player.

 

[Further]

Last time the Blazers did swing at the fence like that they ended up in the WCF.

Last season they swung by offering a max contract to Hibbert. They just missed.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Who's on the books for Dallas next year? Calderon, monta, And that's it?

If dirk signs for a discount they might still have enough for two max guys on top of that

 

[Further]

Who's on the books for Dallas next year? Calderon, monta, And that's it?

If dirk signs for a discount they might still have enough for two max guys on top of that

Ya but Dirk is already 35, the idea was to bring in players to put around Diggler. With two years in a row being flushed down die Toilette, how much will be left in his tank?

 

[magnifier661]

All that said is pure speculation.

No none of those other deals could happen if we got this chucker. No speculation

 

[magnifier661]

Who's on the books for Dallas next year? Calderon, monta, And that's it?

If dirk signs for a discount they might still have enough for two max guys on top of that

I think they save one max for Aldridge the year after.

 

[BigGameDamian]

No none of those other deals could happen if we got this chucker. No speculation

Then again every winning team has a chucker.

 

[Further]

Then again every winning team has a chucker.

who is the chucker on the Heat? The Spurs?

 

[PapaG]

Who's on the books for Dallas next year? Calderon, monta, And that's it?

If dirk signs for a discount they might still have enough for two max guys on top of that

Dallas should trade Nowitzki for flexibility at this point. If LMA goes there as a FA, it won't be to win a title.

 

[magnifier661]

Then again every winning team has a chucker.

Lmao no they don't!

 

[magnifier661]

who is the chucker on the Heat? The Spurs?

Memphis, Chicago, or New Jersey?