More David Lee buzz

[Crimson the Cat]

You're correct.

But the trade is still doable, isn't it? For instance, Lee is re-signed to a starting salary of $7M per season. Because he's a BYC player now, NY can only take back $3.5M in salary. So, Portland would only send Travis Outlaw. We can receive the $7M because we're under the cap. We'd have to use up $3.5M of our cap space though. New York would receive a $3.5M traded-player exception though, and they could in turn deal for Blake with that, no?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

That's what she said.

Ed O.

Hey-o!

 

[Shooter]

David Lee is going to leave New York to be a backup in Portland? That makes no sense. If Lee were a veteran on the downslope of his career, he might consider a move like this, but he's a young guy with his best days ahead of him. Why would he accept a demotion at this stage of his career?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'd sign Miller and deal Joel for a SF..such as Battier/Prince

You wouldn't be able to sign anyone because of BYC restrictions adding Lee would bring. I think????

 

[hasoos]

Hmm... I don't think that trading Joel for Prince would be a good idea for Portland. Prince is coming off of a lousy year and is on a big BIG contract.

Oden hasn't demonstrated that he can stay healthy, and so Joel is very important.

Prince doesn't provide enough of a boost to cover the downside of losing Joel in my opinion.

Ed O.

At the same time, we all know those players in Detroit weren't that bad, but the situation within the organization, was, and probably effected all their play. That whole AI/Billups deal, while being financially motivated for the future, really fucked that team up chemistry wise.

 

[Mediocre Man]

David Lee is going to leave New York to be a backup in Portland? That makes no sense. If Lee were a veteran on the downslope of his career, he might consider a move like this, but he's a young guy with his best days ahead of him. Why would he accept a demotion at this stage of his career?

Would he "back up" in Portland for $10 million per, while still getting 32-35 minutes per game? Also contending every year for at least the playoffs? Maybe even winning 6th man of the year? Does David Lee want to be a starter, or does David Lee want starters minutes and money?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Hmm... I don't think that trading Joel for Prince would be a good idea for Portland. Prince is coming off of a lousy year and is on a big BIG contract.

Oden hasn't demonstrated that he can stay healthy, and so Joel is very important.

Prince doesn't provide enough of a boost to cover the downside of losing Joel in my opinion.

Ed O.

There's risk involved with Prince. If your scouts do their homework though, that risk may be manageable, especially if there were circumstances in Detroit that wouldn't be in Portland.

Prince's stats tailed off so dramatically. I wonder if it were mainly because the clusterfuck of a team he was left with and the role he was given.

After Wallace, Prince and Deng are next in line for me.

The other attractive feature with Prince is his ability to play-make. Something that McMillan I think wants and would come in handy if Portland were to pair Roy up with Hinrich, Robinson, or Bayless.

BTW, I thought Prince was under contract for just two more seasons at around $10M and then $11M. If last season was an aberration and he returns to form, that's a reasonable amount I think.

 

[Ed O]

David Lee is going to leave New York to be a backup in Portland? That makes no sense. If Lee were a veteran on the downslope of his career, he might consider a move like this, but he's a young guy with his best days ahead of him. Why would he accept a demotion at this stage of his career?

Ask his agent.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

Isn't that where Lee comes in?

Yeah, I suppose. I guess I wouldn't trust him as much backing up Oden as I would Joel in case of another major injury to Oden.

Of course, Lee would be a much better fit for Aldridge in case of a major injury to LaMarcus.

Ed O.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I know a lot of folks don't dig it, but I still am a proponent of the large lineup, and I think that is what might come out of left field during this off season. Roy at PG, Rudy at SG. Bayless/Webster backing them up.


What I want to know is, why are you people worried about where he would fit when all we got to hear about last year was how Frye stunk it up and never rebounded, and Travis Outlaw was a tweener who got thrown around like a rag doll in a tornado when trying to keep bigger PF out of the inside. Then when we get a chance to get somebody the complete opposite of Frye (A guy about garbage buckets and hustle) all everybody does is wonder how it would work and what would it give us. The role of Lee would be backup PF/C. The reason we would be picking him up, is to alleviate the weakness exposed last year with Frye and Outlaw. I could personally give a shit if he starts or not, that is his problem. If you sign the contract, then you play to the terms. He knows what he is getting into coming here. If he makes a decision to sign and is told nothing but he will back up Aldridge, then he lives with the decision. That is a risk he takes by being a RFA, and signing an offer sheet somewhere else.

AMEN to that.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Isn't that where Lee comes in?

Right! It's Lee vs. Przybilla. Both are equally good big men, but with different skills. We're probably no better next season with this deal alone, but we will be better down the road as Przybilla's play diminishes and, most importantly, we're able to upgrade at a position of need (small forward or point guard).

We get better with this move, short term and long term.

 

[Cake]

I'd love to get David Lee.

Even if he's not the best fit, he's the best talent available out there this offseason. We can always trade him after Dec 15th to a team that really has a need/desire for him. Or we can trade Aldridge for a REAL pg upgrade.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Right! It's Lee vs. Przybilla. Both are equally good big men, but with different skills. We're probably no better next season with this deal alone, but we will be better down the road as Przybilla's play diminishes and, most importantly, we're able to upgrade at a position of need (small forward or point guard).

We get better with this move, short term and long term.

And much better down the road if Joel opts out. Lee for Joel is much better than nothing for Joel

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'd love to get David Lee.

Even if he's not the best fit, he's the best talent available out there this offseason. We can always trade him after Dec 15th to a team that really has a need/desire for him. Or we can trade Aldridge for a REAL pg upgrade.

I think Aldridge is just better than Lee period.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

David Lee is going to leave New York to be a backup in Portland? That makes no sense. If Lee were a veteran on the downslope of his career, he might consider a move like this, but he's a young guy with his best days ahead of him. Why would he accept a demotion at this stage of his career?

Does he want to be richer with minutes on good-to-great team or does he want to be paid less as a starter on an inferior team?

 

[Sug]

I think David Lee would be a lot like getting Brian Grant back in the day. He would be on the floor enough, and people would love him. I am all for the second coming of the Rasta Mansta.

 

[B-Roy]

I'd love to get David Lee.

Even if he's not the best fit, he's the best talent available out there this offseason. We can always trade him after Dec 15th to a team that really has a need/desire for him. Or we can trade Aldridge for a REAL pg upgrade.

We can't. He'll be BYC till the end of the year.

Well, technically we can, but it will be extremely hard.

 

[Cake]

I think Aldridge is just better than Lee period.

Okay. But is Aldridge and Blake (or Bayless or Andre Miller) better than Lee and Devin Harris (for example)? No.

 

[hasoos]

I think David Lee would be a lot like getting Brian Grant back in the day. He would be on the floor enough, and people would love him. I am all for the second coming of the Rasta Mansta.

For some reason I don't see him grownig the dreadlocks. But that would be sweet!

 

[Ed O]

We can't. He'll be BYC till the end of the year.

Well, technically we can, but it will be extremely hard.

If we use our salary cap space to sign him BYC doesn't factor in.

Ed O.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

You wouldn't be able to sign anyone because of BYC restrictions adding Lee would bring. I think????

Hm. Yeah, we'd lose about $3.5M in salary cap space by trading for Lee. We'd be down to about $4.5M I think. But, we could still do a lopsided trade or cut a prospect or two to open up more (I'm not in favor of this) and then sign a free agent.

If I'm Portland, I'd be very tempted to sign Lee to an offer sheet, and structuring next year's salary at the highest possible amount, hopefully cutting into NY's play money after next season.

 

[Cake]

We can't. He'll be BYC till the end of the year.

Well, technically we can, but it will be extremely hard.

Okay, then we have to wait a year? No big deal.

 

[hasoos]

Hm. Yeah, we'd lose about $3.5M in salary cap space by trading for Lee. We'd be down to about $4.5M I think. But, we could still do a lopsided trade or cut a prospect or two to open up more (I'm not in favor of this) and then sign a free agent.

If I'm Portland, I'd be very tempted to sign Lee to an offer sheet, and structuring next year's salary at the highest possible amount, hopefully cutting into NY's play money after next season.

That would be pretty hilarious to just keep your team $1 under the cap so you could do a lopsided trade.

 

[B-Roy]

Okay, then we have to wait a year? No big deal.

I think Lee's value will take a significant hit if you wait a whole year. Even if teams know he's playing behind Aldridge and Oden, a ~$10 Million player playing around 20 MPG doesn't look good.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

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I can live with that package.

I think we should package Travis & Blake - but seek both Lee and Nate Robinson in return via S&T.

This should leave us with some cap room...and we wait until the trade deadline - where our options could be:


Package Pryz & Nat R. for a better PG;

Package Pryz & Webster for a better PG or SF

Package Pryz & Bayless for a better PG

Package Lee & one of Nate R./Webs/Bayless for a better PG


So we start out the season by adding Lee and Nate R., replacing Travis, Blake and Sergio. with more to come at the trade deadline.

I see no point in signing Miller or Hinrich. Might as well wait until the trade deadline and look to land Harris or Sessions, etc.

 

[Shapecity]

But the trade is still doable, isn't it? For instance, Lee is re-signed to a starting salary of $7M per season. Because he's a BYC player now, NY can only take back $3.5M in salary. So, Portland would only send Travis Outlaw. We can receive the $7M because we're under the cap. We'd have to use up $3.5M of our cap space though. New York would receive a $3.5M traded-player exception though, and they could in turn deal for Blake with that, no?

It sounds possible based on your example, but there's another catch to BYC players called the poison pill provision.

If a team trades an extended rookie between the date his extension is signed and the date it takes effect, his "trade value" for the receiving team is the average of the salaries in the last year of the scale contract and each year of the extension. This is called the poison pill provision. The sending team uses the player's actual salary when calculating their outgoing salary. They use the current-year maximum salary in place of the (unknown) maximum salary for a future season, if necessary.

Here is an example of a poison pill calculation: Carmelo Anthony earns $4,694,041 in 2006-07, the final year of his rookie scale contract. Prior to October 31, 2006 he signed a five year extension (bringing the total seasons to six) for the maximum salary, with the maximum 10.5% raises. Anthony's actual salary will not be determined until July 2007, when the maximum salary amounts for 2007-08 are set. During the 2006-07 season the 2006-07 maximum is assumed for the 2007-08 season ($13,762,775), and the salary in subsequent seasons is based on this amount ($15,070,550, $16,378,325 and $17,686,100, respectively). If Anthony is traded during the 2006-07 season, then his outgoing salary from the Nuggets' perspective is his actual salary of $4,694,041. His incoming salary from the other team's perspective would be $13,518,358 -- the average of his 2006-07 salary and the assumed salaries in the extension.

From Larry Coon

Let's assume Lee signs for $7M with maximum raises of 10.5% per season.

Current contract - $2,682,050
Year 1 - $7M
Year 2 - $7.735M
Year 3 - $8.547M
Year 4 - $9.444M
Year 5 - $10.44M

Portland would need $7.6M in cap space to get the deal done. Knicks would be able to take back maximum salary of $4.475 ($3.5M x 125%) + $100K

It should work based on paying Lee a starting salary of $7M.

 

[axs88]

Sorry if I'm out of it, but what are you all talking about? Why would Lee become BYC? It's not an extension, it's a new contract.

 

[maxiep]

Sorry if I'm out of it, but what are you all talking about? Why would Lee become BYC? It's not an extension, it's a new contract.

If the increase between his previous salary and his new one is more than a certain percentage increase, he becomes a base year contract. His new contract will almost certainly trigger that clause of the CBA.

 

[Shapecity]

If the increase between his previous salary and his new one is more than a certain percentage increase, he becomes a base year contract. His new contract will almost certainly trigger that clause of the CBA.

Correct. I think it's 20% increase, which Lee should be able to get.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Sorry if I'm out of it, but what are you all talking about? Why would Lee become BYC? It's not an extension, it's a new contract.

Ultimately, when certain players, for instance Lee, signs for a salary amount greater than 20% of his previous amount he becomes a Base Year Compensation player. This is a rule that prohibits teams from signing players to amounts that solely work in their favor just to make a future deal work.