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Espn's True hoop links to a rumored deal between the celts and kings where rondo is swapped for thompson and the #4. Can't paste the link.

If rondo is available i would like pritch to certainly make an offer. Rondo would jump to the top of my off season list.

Would you?

What package would do it if so?

Bayless, outlaw and the 24?

Bayless and rudy?
 
The guy averaged a triple-double in the playoffs and they're trading him?

This should raise some red flags but I would still make a pitch for him.
 
It sure seems like the reason Rondo is available is because he is selfish and a bad teammate. While he is a great talent, I'm not sure he is what we want?
 
Basically anyone outside the Big 3 and Batum.
 
KP seems to concentrate a lot on the character of a player. . . and like others have mentioned, if Rondo is available after having a great year, there must be some attitude issues going on.
 
I believe this team has enough leadership and character so that one bad apple (if Rondo is that) won't mess it up. Rondo, while a bad shooter is a top 5 (young) PG as of right now. If we could get him without BIG3+Batum, you absolutely have to cnsider it. If we can get him without Rudy, it's a no brainer.
 
Crimson the Cat said:
Espn's True hoop links to a rumored deal between the celts and kings where rondo is swapped for thompson and the #4. Can't paste the link.

If rondo is available i would like pritch to certainly make an offer. Rondo would jump to the top of my off season list.

Would you?

What package would do it if so?

Bayless, outlaw and the 24?

Bayless and rudy?
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Rondo is one of the best young point guards in the game. On a par with Deron Williams, IMO. I find it extremely hard to believe that he's available, and Thompson/#4 seems way too little.

If he really is available, Pritchard should do whatever he can to get him, if it can be done without trading Roy, Aldridge or Oden. I love Batum, but I'd make him available for a talent like Rondo.

I'd happily trade Bayless, Outlaw and the #24 or Bayless and Rudy. Or Bayless, Rudy, Outlaw and the #24. ;)
 
It might not be too little if Rubio is available at #4.

Though, rumors did surface this week that Ainge is keeping a close eye on Tyreke Evans.
 
Wow... Rondo must be a cancer to deal with if Boston is considering leaning on a rookie PG in this draft for their final few runs at the title. Where are those Boston fans that always chime in on this board?
 
Rondo is intriguing. Obviously there are some issues in Boston, but can a guy who averaged 8.2 APG and less than 10 FGA/G (9.5, to be exact) really be considered a selfish player? Of course, his FGA/G during the play-offs exploded to almost 16, but his APG also went up to 9.8. That was probably a function of match-ups and no KG.

If a team loaded with veterans like KG, Pierce and Ray Allen can't keep Rondo in line, would he destroy the chemistry on a young team like Portland? The thing Ainge and Rivers seemed most frustrated with Rondo during the play-offs was his decision making with the game on the line. He had some great games in the play-offs (4 triple doubles in 14 games), but also had several games where he shot the ball horribly (4-17, 2-12, 3-12). Of course, in Portland, the ball will be in Roy's hands with the game on the line. So, hopefully Rondo's poor decision making would be less of an issue.

Again, very intriguing. I love Rondo's defense. He's one of the best defending PGs in the league. He's from the same rookie class as Roy and Aldridge. During that season, I tracked rookies and posted a weekly Rookie EFF Rankings. Rondo regularly filled up the box score with large numbers of rebounds (for a guard), assists and steals. His only problem as a rookie was he couldn't shoot the ball. Well, he seems to have fixed that to some extent (0.505 FG% in 2008-09). He's still a bad 3-point shooter, but luckily doesn't attempt very many (less than 1 a game) and a far below average FT shooter.

The guy certainly puts up impressive numbers. He had a PER of 18.8 during the regular season and 19.7 during the play-offs (in spite of shooting poorly). His DRTg of 100.9 this year and 98.4 the year before are also excellent - top 10 in the league. He has also been top 6 in defensive win shares the past two seasons and has been in the top 10 in steals all three years he's been in the league. Obviously, he'd really help our perimeter defense. He was also top 10 in assists (5th), APG (6th) and AST% (7th) this season.

If he's willing to be happy with less than 10 shots a game (as he was during the regular season in Boston) and defer to Brandon with the game on the line, he'd be a great fit in Portland. He can lock down opposing PGs on defense and be a 4th scoring option on offense (as he was in Boston behind Pierce, Allen and KG). It all depends on his attitude and willingness to accept a specific role. I'll leave that up to KP and company to decide.

BNM
 
Rondo is on the level of Rose/Deron and a tier below Paul. He must have some major problems if these rumors are true that they could move him. If an alpha male like KG can't keep him in check, who can?
 
Rondo is not available to you unless Roy is available to us. I can't believe people buy into this crap.
 
Crimson the Cat said:
Espn's True hoop links to a rumored deal between the celts and kings where rondo is swapped for thompson and the #4. Can't paste the link.
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Boston has a severe lack of length on their second unit (and even their 1st unit without KG). The Blazers exposed that when we beat them in Portland without Roy and Orlando totally exploited it in the play-offs. Once KG went down, Perkins was the only halfway decent player they had left with any length. Powe and Big Baby are both undersized (well in height anyway). Plus Powe tore his ACL during the play-offs. They desperately need big bodies and Thompson would give them one.

The 4th pick could then be used on a replacement for Rondo. This is a weak draft in general, but there are multiple promising PG prospects.

So, Boston would be giving up a player who seems to have worn out his welcome (for whatever reasons) and would address their most glaring need, and hopefully a replacement for the player they are trading. I suspect they will probably also use their MLE on a veteran PG (likely NOT named Marbury) as a back-up/insurance in case their rookie PG struggles.

BNM
 
44Thrilla said:
Rondo is not available to you unless Roy is available to us. I can't believe people buy into this crap.
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Right, we're going to trade our best player for your 4th best. Keep dreaming.

BNM
 
My bet is that the story is inaccurate....though we are talking about Ainge here.

Given the make-up of the Celtics, Rondo doesn't have to be a "cancer" in the usual sense. The mere fact he is an emerging star and wants to be a team leader could be causing friction with the old guard. There is also the issue of money. Rondo is going to want a big raise, and Boston may be unwilling to give him that big second contract. Bringing in 2 younger players for one could help their depth and put off financial judgement day.

Again, it strikes me as silly for a team to think that way.
 
44Thrilla said:
Rondo is not available to you unless Roy is available to us. I can't believe people buy into this crap.
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What would be the point then of coming out with this kind of stuff? It just drives down the value of your players.
 
How dumb rumors get started:

Boston: "Hi. I'm calling because I'm interested in acquiring Thompson."

Sacramento: "Interesting. I really like Rondo, and I would definitely throw in our lottery pick if you'd be willing to deal him."

Boob-No-More said:
Right, we're going to trade our best player for your 4th best. Keep dreaming.

BNM
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Wow, that's not what I was saying. My point is that Rondo is not available unless somebody blows us away with an offer like Roy.

alex42083 said:
What would be the point then of coming out with this kind of stuff? It just drives down the value of your players.
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Who said it came from anywhere? How easy is it for people to make shit up? Rondo is the most valuable asset we have in trade talks, so of course his name will come up in fantasy trade scenarios involving the Celtics.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Again, it strikes me as silly for a team to think that way.
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However, this is Ainge we're talking about. He's the same guy almost every Celtic fan wanted kicked out of office before McFail interjected.
 
yuyuza1 said:
However, this is Ainge we're talking about. He's the same guy almost every Celtic fan wanted kicked out of office before McFail interjected.
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Interesting you would say that considering it isn't true.
 
Doing my best Chutney impression, I decided to investigate this "rumor". Went to TrueHoop and found the linked "article". Hey, what do you know? It's from a fan blog! Must be credible. Did some further investigation and found the Chad Fraud article where the speculation originated from.

The Kings have also reached out to the Celtics and would be willing to deal the No. 4 pick if they could get Rondo in return. The Celtics would likely want more than just the No. 4 pick for Rondo -- and the Kings might be willing to throw in either Jason Thompson or Spencer Hawes to make it happen.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draf...ory?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftBuzz-090612

Wow, sure sounds like the Celtics are dying to rid themselves of such a cancer.
 
yuyuza1 said:
You're saying it wasn't a general consensus among Celtics' fans that Ainge was an idiot prior to the KG deal?
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Not really. People disliked some of the things he did (trading away Walker/trading for Telfailure) but they really liked all the young players, especially Jefferson and Rondo. There were two polls out on Boston sites when the KG to Boston rumors started. Both said "Would you trade Al Jefferson and other young talent for Kevin Garnett?" Both polls were lopsided in favor of keeping Jefferson. One on the Boston Globe website and one on CelticsBlog.com, the biggest Celtics site on the web. Sure, there was a loud minority of people who couldn't stand him, but most fans appreciated what he was trying to do.
 
44Thrilla said:
Doing my best Chutney impression, I decided to investigate this "rumor". Went to TrueHoop and found the linked "article". Hey, what do you know? It's from a fan blog! Must be credible. Did some further investigation and found the Chad Fraud article where the speculation originated from.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draf...ory?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftBuzz-090612

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draf...ory?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftBuzz-090612

Wow, sure sounds like the Celtics are dying to rid themselves of such a cancer.
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Here's a link to the article that first started all the Rondo trade rumors:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=12861

Notice however, that the unflattering quotes from Ainge and Rivers are from a much older article - one that came out early in the Chicago series. They were just general comments about Rondo's play and attitude - not specific to poossibly trading him.

Of course, there have also been recent trade rumors concerning Rondo to Phoenix. Perhaps Boston isn't shopping him, but where there's smoke, there's often fire. Still, taking trades and making trades are two different things. There are tons of trades that get discussed between teams, but few are actually made. A GM isn't doing his job if he isn't investigating what he can get in return for his players.

BNM
 
Sounds like a bad idea for the Blazers IMO. Rondo is a great player but there's gotta be something REALLY wrong with him if Boston is looking to dump him already. I don't think the Blazers want a guy like that in the locker room around all their young players.

Most importantly though is that he seems like a bad fit. Hes a poor shooter and needs the ball to be effective on offense. Seems to be detrimental to Roy. To be honest I think Bayless is a stud and jsut needs some time, he's the perfect compliment to Roy. Plus hes a competitive motherf*cker which would be nice to see more of on your squad because most guys are pretty reserved (not necessarily a bad thing).
 
Minstrel said:
Chad Ford may be full of it, but if he's not just pulling things out of his ass, his blurb does make it sound like the Celtics are willing to deal Rondo, which would surprise me if true.
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It does?

Really?

He says the Kings want Rondo and he speculates that it would take more than just the number 4 pick to get him.

How on Earth does that make it sound like the Celtics are willing to deal Rondo? Because people want him?

I'm so confused.
 
yuyuza1 said:
However, this is Ainge we're talking about. He's the same guy almost every Celtic fan wanted kicked out of office before McFail interjected.
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OMG I've never heard that used before. So sad that I missed it because it's fucking brilliant!
 
Boob-No-More said:
but where there's smoke, there's often fire.
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That rule doesn't apply to the internet. It's way too easy nowadays for illegitimate sites like fan blogs, or wannabe sites like RealGM to make shit up, and it happens all the time. In this case, there isn't one credible source saying Rondo is on the market.
 
44Thrilla said:
That rule doesn't apply to the internet. It's way too easy nowadays for illegitimate sites like fan blogs, or wannabe sites like RealGM to make shit up, and it happens all the time. In this case, there isn't one credible source saying Rondo is on the market.
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Exactly, someone on RealGM sad that MLSE was making a deal with the Nets for Dooling and trading Humphries. Because the poster said he had a friend there, they believed him, nonetheless, nothing has come of it since.

This is what happens when shit gets boring.
 
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