Most Overrated blazer of all time

[Minstrel]

I'm gonna get Flack for this but I don't care. This forum overrates the SHIT out of Joel Przybilla.

Oh wow, I was going to nominate Przybilla too.

I liked the guy, but his reputation and regard in the fanbase far outstrips his actual ability and impact.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Roy was arguably the second or third best shooting guard in the league at that time. He regularly cook the shit out of Kobe Bryant.

For 321 games.

Not nearly enough to be the golden boy so many make him out to be

 

[julius]

I'm gonna get Flack for this but I don't care. This forum overrates the SHIT out of Joel Przybilla.

Agreed he is overrated, but its mostly wook and mike barrett

 

[MickZagger]

Darius Miles. I couldn't stand his game.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'd like to hear how you think the forum overrates him.

I will state that he was a pretty elite rebounder and shot blocker. Over his Portland career, he had a career TRB% of 19.7% and BLK% of 5.4%. This decade, there have been precisely 8 individual seasons put up that beat that, and he did that over 6+ seasons.

I don't think anybody "rates" Przybilla as good at anything else other than those two aspects of the game, but it's pretty tough to overrate him in those aspects.

Joel was a great rebounder and shot blocker. He also played 101 more games for Portland than Roy did

 

[Mediocre Man]

Darius Miles. I couldn't stand his game.

Complete waste of skin.

 

[tlongII]

Billy Ray Bates

 

[Blazer4ever]

B-Roy was amazing. His offensive talent was unmatched. He didn't lead us far into the playoffs and the injuries certainly derailed his career but when he was healthy he was amazing, maybe the best offensive player I remember since becoming a Blazer fan in the mid-90's

 

[PtldPlatypus]

B-Roy was amazing. His offensive talent was unmatched. He didn't lead us far into the playoffs and the injuries certainly derailed his career but when he was healthy he was amazing, maybe the best offensive player I remember since becoming a Blazer fan in the mid-90's

For 321 games.

Not nearly enough to be the golden boy so many make him out to be

These two posts perfectly encapsulate the B-Roy debate. If you look at per-game contribution during his time hear, he was one of the top 5 Blazers in the history of the franchise. If you look at total contribution for the entire career, irrespective of length, I don't think he cracks the top 10. (Drexler, Walton, Porter, Kersey, Lucas, Lillard, Sabas, Williams, Aldridge, Sheed are all ahead of him IMO, as would be some others. But not Przybilla...)

 

[blue9]

Aldridge by a WIIIIIIIDE margin.
Travis Outlaw is on the list somewhere, along with Gerald Wallace, Abdur-Rahim, and Aminu.

 

[blue9]

I'm gonna get Flack for this but I don't care. This forum overrates the SHIT out of Joel Przybilla.

Oh - FOR SURE! Good call!

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I thought @HAAK72 hit it on the head with Telfair, then @MickZagger comes outta nowhere with Darius Miles. Winner winner chicken dinner, but the Telfair selection is damn close.....and if anything, Pryzbilla was underrated.......

 

[blue9]

Roy was arguably the second or third best shooting guard in the league at that time. He regularly cook the shit out of Kobe Bryant.

Yeah, for as much as I dislike Roy, he definitely wasn't overrated - and certainly not THE MOST overrated. He was a whiny, two-faced, me-first asshole who was unwilling to expand his game for the betterment of the team, but he wasn't overrated.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Probably Clyde belongs on this list. *Runs away*

 

[blue9]

I don't think anybody "rates" Przybilla as good at anything else other than those two aspects of the game, but it's pretty tough to overrate him in those aspects.

He's been the benchmark by which we measure our C talent. Community opinion has been, until recently, that we need another Joel. That, IMO, is overrating him. He was a fine defensive C on a shitty team, but should by no means be a benchmark or model of what we want at C.

 

[blue9]

Darius Miles. I couldn't stand his game.

I feel like most people hated Miles? I'd actually consider him underrated based on the amount of hate he got vs his raw talent. He never fulfilled his potential, but he had a lot of ability.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

He's been the benchmark by which we measure our C talent. Community opinion has been, until recently, that we need another Joel. That, IMO, is overrating him. He was a fine defensive C on a shitty team, but should by no means be a benchmark or model of what we want at C.

I've always been under the assumption that the phrase you use is intended to mean that we need a center that can rebound well and impact the game defensively. Not to say that we want those things exclusively, but that they are the bare minimum. Can you help me understand how that is overrating him?

 

[dviss1]

He's been the benchmark by which we measure our C talent. Community opinion has been, until recently, that we need another Joel. That, IMO, is overrating him. He was a fine defensive C on a shitty team, but should by no means be a benchmark or model of what we want at C.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[blue9]

That's not how I've taken it. To me, whenever people talk about needing a Joel, that's precisely what they mean - all we need is defense and rebounding from the position and nothing else matters. It would be nice to have somehow who could do more, but not necessary. Which brings to mind Robin Lopez - another overrated player.

Don't get me wrong, I liked both Joel and Robin and they both brought something to the team that we needed. But neither of them is the sort of player we should be trying to duplicate. I wouldn't say either of them are THE MOST overrated, but they both belong in the overrated discussion.

 

[Stevenson]

Rasheed Wallace.

The epitome of everything that was wrong with that team - talented sure, but egotistical, selfish, not living up to potential, under-performing, and rude. CTC. What bullshit.

 

[riverman]

I'm going to throw Rolo into the ring here....he started hot just like Camby did and then mailed it in....got lots of attention for his cartoon nerd obsession and mascot pranks but he sucked the second half of his last season here...overrated!

 

[Five Second Violation]

Rest his soul, but Kevin Duckworth is my answer. Great guy off the court but on the court he was tissue-paper soft and his woes were a big reason for our choking against the Lakers.

 

[julius]

I'm going to throw Rolo into the ring here....he started hot just like Camby did and then mailed it in....got lots of attention for his cartoon nerd obsession and mascot pranks but he sucked the second half of his last season here...overrated!

Theo Ratliff had that disease too. I hope Nurk doesn't have it lurking in his immune system.

 

[riverman]

I hope Nurk doesn't have it lurking in his immune system

things I don't want to think about for 200 dollars Monty!!!

 

[Natebishop3]

He's been the benchmark by which we measure our C talent. Community opinion has been, until recently, that we need another Joel. That, IMO, is overrating him. He was a fine defensive C on a shitty team, but should by no means be a benchmark or model of what we want at C.

False. The benchmark has been Sabonis in a lot of ways. I'd say that Przybilla is the lowest acceptable bar for a center. We look at Meyers and we ask, "why can't he at least be as good as Joel?"

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Rest his soul, but Kevin Duckworth is my answer. Great guy off the court but on the court he was tissue-paper soft and his woes were a big reason for our choking against the Lakers.

I was actually thinking about him when reading the underrated thread (16 & 8 for a title contender!), but looked closer at his advanced numbers before I posted and was shocked at how bad they were. He's too important a part of my childhood for me to be willing to call him overrated, but I understand why some might.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't think Damon was overrated.... at least not in his final few years.

I remember when we traded for him, I was pumped. Although when the media came to my school to interview people after the trade, I think I was the only person who was pissed that we traded Alvin Williams. I was a huge Damon fan though, and I remember defending his bad play for years...... but what finally broke me and I think was the final straw for a lot of people, was him bitching about playing time right before we started our series against the Spurs. That was it. You simply don't do that. You don't complain about playing time before you start the WCF. Fuck him. He was a diva and he never lived up to the hype.

 

[blue9]

False. The benchmark has been Sabonis in a lot of ways. I'd say that Przybilla is the lowest acceptable bar for a center. We look at Meyers and we ask, "why can't he at least be as good as Joel?"

Using the best player to ever play the game as the benchmark by which others are measured is a sure way to set yourself up for failure.

 

[Natebishop3]

Using the best player to ever play the game as the benchmark by which others are measured is a sure way to set yourself up for failure.

And yet, we do it. We constantly compare our centers to guys like Sabonis and Walton, or at the other end of the spectrum we compare them to Bowie or now Oden.

 

[blue9]

And yet, we do it. We constantly compare our centers to guys like Sabonis and Walton, or at the other end of the spectrum we compare them to Bowie or now Oden.

Compare, yes. But nobody is saying "we NEED a Sabas". We'd all LIKE a Sabas. But for years, people have thought that Joel is what we need. He's the benchmark - if you aren't as good you suck; if you're better you're great. Sabas/Walton are the high-water mark - not something you can realistically achieve.