Move Dame now?

[TorturedBlazerFan]

No.

Not advocating to trade Dame, but I am really glad you’re not the GM. Just sayin’

 

[BonesJones]

Not advocating to trade Dame, but I am really glad you’re not the GM. Just sayin’

If you're not glad, then you're being foolish.

Donovan Mitchell might be as good as Dame someday, but probably wont be.. And who knows if he'd want to stay in Portland if that day ever came? That difference is worth shipping out our face of the franchise, who's a great leader and who's ingrained in our city's culture, for a GLUE GUY?

C'mon man.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

If you're not glad, then you're being foolish.

Donovan Mitchell might be as good as Dame someday, but probably wont be.. And who knows if he'd want to stay in Portland if that day ever came? That difference is worth shipping out our face of the franchise, who's a great leader and who's ingrained in our city's culture, for a GLUE GUY?

C'mon man.

I never said I would do that trade but the idea you wouldn’t think about it would scare me a lot.
Also the comment about you as a gm was also meant as just reading a bunch of your comments in this thread.
We’re all entitled to our opinions, but your opinions are different than mine.
Maybe you’d be a great GM, I don’t know, but I don’t think you’d be.

 

[BonesJones]

I never said I would do that trade but the idea you wouldn’t think about it would scare me a lot.
Also the comment about you as a gm was also meant as just reading a bunch of your comments in this thread.
We’re all entitled to our opinions, but your opinions are different than mine.
Maybe you’d be a great GM, I don’t know, but I don’t think you’d be.

Lmao. Dame is untouchable and a rookie plus a glue guy isn't going to get me thinking about trading him.

You disagreeing with me is actually a credit to me! Yay!

 

[BonesJones]

It's Judy funny, because on the Bucks board you don't have crap like "Move Giannis now".. you don't have similar stuff on other teams forums.

For some reason, it's just our fanbase that simply wants to give up it's superstar.

 

[Strenuus]

It's Judy funny, because on the Bucks board you don't have crap like "Move Giannis now".. you don't have similar stuff on other teams forums.

For some reason, it's just our fanbase that simply wants to give up it's superstar.

I really hope your girlfriend is named Judy....

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Lmao. Dame is untouchable and a rookie plus a glue guy isn't going to get me thinking about trading him.

You disagreeing with me is actually a credit to me! Yay!

No one but Lebron is untouchable. I agree you don’t move Dame unless the deal is amazing.
I don’t know how me disagreeing with you is a credit to you, other than you value your own opinion more than you should, but whatever.

But since Dame is untouchable, you wouldn’t trade him For Lebron, or Harden, or AD, or Curry, or KD, etc.

Don’t take it too far, I realize none of those guys are available. My point is the idea of “untouchable “ guys or being so in love with a guy you won’t trade him or even think about it can set a franchise back.

Like I said I’m not saying to trade Dame, I’m not advocating to shop him either. I’m just saying as a GM your job is to look at every piece you have and get better.

Trading Dame would more than likely be a catastrophic mistake, no doubt. Not listening to anything involving Dame could also be a mistake depending on what comes up.

It does concern me that so far Dame hasn’t been that good in the playoffs, now We can dissect some of that and “excuse it” away, but teams throw everything they got in the playoffs at every team’s best player. But we don’t let other stars off the hook for it.
I think Dame deserved first team, and I think he’s a legit top 10-ish player in the NBA right now. I’d love to see a new coach, instead of a trade of Dame or CJ, I just hope NO / Stotts don’t waste Dames prime.

 

[BonesJones]

No one but Lebron is untouchable. I agree you don’t move Dame unless the deal is amazing.
I don’t know how me disagreeing with you is a credit to you, other than you value your own opinion more than you should, but whatever.

But since Dame is untouchable, you wouldn’t trade him For Lebron, or Harden, or AD, or Curry, or KD, etc.

Don’t take it too far, I realize none of those guys are available. My point is the idea of “untouchable “ guys or being so in love with a guy you won’t trade him or even think about it can set a franchise back.

Like I said I’m not saying to trade Dame, I’m not advocating to shop him either. I’m just saying as a GM your job is to look at every piece you have and get better.

Trading Dame would more than likely be a catastrophic mistake, no doubt. Not listening to anything involving Dame could also be a mistake depending on what comes up.

It does concern me that so far Dame hasn’t been that good in the playoffs, now We can dissect some of that and “excuse it” away, but teams throw everything they got in the playoffs at every team’s best player. But we don’t let other stars off the hook for it.
I think Dame deserved first team, and I think he’s a legit top 10-ish player in the NBA right now. I’d love to see a new coach, instead of a trade of Dame or CJ, I just hope NO / Stotts don’t waste Dames prime.

"Excuse it away".. It's not excuses if there's a legit reason why he srruggled.. and it definitely wasn't on him at all. Their defense and our lack of adjustments to their defense is what the problem was.

I'm not gonna listen to a package unless it pops out to me. A rookie fringe-all-star and a glue guy aren't even close dude. By your logic, we might as well listen to Kuzma and Josh Hart for him... heck, we might as well listen to every trade offer...

What does "listen" and "think about" even mean? If I know I wouldn't take it right away, why listen or think about it? What s the need...?

 

[BonesJones]

I really hope your girlfriend is named Judy....

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[TorturedBlazerFan]

"Excuse it away".. It's not excuses if there's a legit reason why he srruggled.. and it definitely wasn't on him at all. Their defense and our lack of adjustments to their defense is what the problem was.

I'm not gonna listen to a package unless it pops out to me. A rookie fringe-all-star and a glue guy aren't even close dude. By your logic, we might as well listen to Kuzma and Josh Hart for him... heck, we might as well listen to every trade offer...

What does "listen" and "think about" even mean? If I know I wouldn't take it right away, why listen or think about it? What s the need...?

Kuzma and Mitchel aren’t close to the same. Personally I think Mitchell is going to be the best player from this rookie class, and it has some really good ones.

I get what you’re saying about Dame, but it wasn’t just this series. I heard a stat that of active players with 500 shot attempts in the playoffs Dame’s got like 4th lowest shooting percentage. I may misremembering that stat, but outside of a couple stand out games, and that amazing shot to beat Houston, he really hasn’t played up to his standards in the playoffs

I am not claiming that it’s all on Dame, because it isn’t. However we go after every other star for their poor performances in the playoffs.

Saying Mitchell is a fringe all-star, well right now yeah but he’s a rookie. Dames been a fringe all-star most of his career, part of that is just how many talented guards play in the West.
Also Mitchell’s rookie year I’d argue was better than Dame’s.

Anyways I don’t think either team would do that particular trade.

 

[Strenuus]

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Damnit bones... The joke is right there!

Your phone autocorrected to a girls name, if its not your girlfriend then you gonba have some explainin to do as to why that name is on your auto correct!

Joke ruined, joke ruiner!

 

[BonesJones]

Kuzma and Mitchel aren’t close to the same. Personally I think Mitchell is going to be the best player from this rookie class, and it has some really good ones.

I get what you’re saying about Dame, but it wasn’t just this series. I heard a stat that of active players with 500 shot attempts in the playoffs Dame’s got like 4th lowest shooting percentage. I may misremembering that stat, but outside of a couple stand out games, and that amazing shot to beat Houston, he really hasn’t played up to his standards in the playoffs

I am not claiming that it’s all on Dame, because it isn’t. However we go after every other star for their poor performances in the playoffs.

Saying Mitchell is a fringe all-star, well right now yeah but he’s a rookie. Dames been a fringe all-star most of his career, part of that is just how many talented guards play in the West.
Also Mitchell’s rookie year I’d argue was better than Dame’s.

Anyways I don’t think either team would do that particular trade.

Doesn't matter. I'm not thinking about trading Dame unless there's a decent chance I'm getting the better player now, or down the road (so the 1st overall pick, maybe). I don't think it's likely that Mitchell will ever be better than Dame, and Ingles isn't a needle mover in a deal of this magnitude.

Teams guard Dame the same way nearly every series, and Stotts never adjusts. He isn't used well, doesn't get freed up in transition or off the ball, and is used as a pick n roll ball handler almost exclusively, and it's a big reason why I want Stotts gone.

Maybe before going after a star, watch a series to make sure you understand what's truly going on, it's not like Dame is out here bricking a bunch of open shots...

Dames been a fringe all-star by default. I'm talking level of play. Dame is a superstar, Mitchell is a fringe all-star. This trade only works out if Mitchell ends up so much better than Dame that it offset the intangibles that Dame brings to the table AND it only works if Mitchell stays. That's very unlikely, so it took no thought whatsoever to realize that was a bad deal.

 

[BonesJones]

Damnit bones... The joke is right there!

Your phone autocorrected to a girls name, if its not your girlfriend then you gonba have some explainin to do as to why that name is on your auto correct!

Joke ruined, joke ruiner!

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[TorturedBlazerFan]

Doesn't matter. I'm not thinking about trading Dame unless there's a decent chance I'm getting the better player now, or down the road (so the 1st overall pick, maybe). I don't think it's likely that Mitchell will ever be better than Dame, and Ingles isn't a needle mover in a deal of this magnitude.

Teams guard Dame the same way nearly every series, and Stotts never adjusts. He isn't used well, doesn't get freed up in transition or off the ball, and is used as a pick n roll ball handler almost exclusively, and it's a big reason why I want Stotts gone.

Maybe before going after a star, watch a series to make sure you understand what's truly going on, it's not like Dame is out here bricking a bunch of open shots...

Dames been a fringe all-star by default. I'm talking level of play. Dame is a superstar, Mitchell is a fringe all-star. This trade only works out if Mitchell ends up so much better than Dame that it offset the intangibles that Dame brings to the table AND it only works if Mitchell stays. That's very unlikely, so it took no thought whatsoever to realize that was a bad deal.

I can agree there, I think Stotts is a good coach, but there seems to be no plan B.
This is purely based on the “eye test” and I know that’s incredibly dangerous and I wouldn’t make a trade like this off of it. When I see Mitchell I see D wade with a 3 point shoot, and who knows where he ends up, but that quickness and explosiveness is there.

 

[PHXBlazer1]

I love Dame and I don’t ever wanna see him traded, but I honestly think Utah hangs up on us if we ask for Mitchell

 

[Strenuus]

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:MARIS61:

 

[BonesJones]

I can agree there, I think Stotts is a good coach, but there seems to be no plan B.
This is purely based on the “eye test” and I know that’s incredibly dangerous and I wouldn’t make a trade like this off of it. When I see Mitchell I see D wade with a 3 point shoot, and who knows where he ends up, but that quickness and explosiveness is there.

Mitchell will be great, but we have a 1st Team All NBA guy...

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Not sure why I’m giving credence to this thread, but if there was a way you could get Donovan mitchel and Ingles in a trade that included Dame, would you think about it?

Throw in a #1 picks and include Leonard and I’d look at this.

My criteria for trading Dame:

1. A top player or players come our way +
2. Important draft pick or picks +
3. Also get rid of Turner or Leonard

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

It's Judy funny, because on the Bucks board you don't have crap like "Move Giannis now".. you don't have similar stuff on other teams forums.

For some reason, it's just our fanbase that simply wants to give up it's superstar.

This thread is entitled as a question: “Move Dame now?” I then proposed one trade that would make me agree to such a trade.

Are you saying that there are no possible packages that would make you consider moving Dame now?

Let’s just suppose (for the fun of it) that Boston actually agreed (Dame + Leonard + #24 pick in upcoming draft / for: Irving, Brown, Morris + Memphis 2019 #1, owned by Boston) you would or would not pull the trigger?

 

[BonesJones]

Throw in a #1 picks and include Leonard and I’d look at this.

My criteria for trading Dame:

1. A top player or players come our way +
2. Important draft pick or picks +
3. Also get rid of Turner or Leonard

Why the hell would shedding bad salary be an important part of a Dame trade? Are we gonna sign free agents next summer after trading Dame...?

The only possible rationale to trading Dame would be going full rebuild. It's not gonna hapoen. Why is this even a discussion?

 

[BonesJones]

This thread is entitled as a question: “Move Dame now?” I then proposed one trade that would make me agree to such a trade.

Are you saying that there are no possible packages that would make you consider moving Dame now?

Let’s just suppose (for the fun of it) that Boston actually agreed (Dame + Leonard + #24 pick in upcoming draft / for: Irving, Brown, Morris + Memphis 2019 #1, owned by Boston) you would or would not pull the trigger?

Why are we discussing trades that have 0 logic behind the other team accepting? Trade a that are not even close to having even a little bit of a chance at both teams simply considering it?

There is no realistic offer that I would take for Dame.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Why the hell would shedding bad salary be an important part of a Dame trade? Are we gonna sign free agents next summer after trading Dame...?

The only possible rationale to trading Dame would be going full rebuild. It's not gonna hapoen. Why is this even a discussion?

Shedding bad salary would not be needed if we are doing a full rebuild by trading Dame, CJ, and possibly a re-signed Nurkic (at some point) for a nice cache of draft picks. In fact, keeping ET, Hark, and Meyers would most likely improve our chances for high-end quality lottery selections with our own draft picks. Besides, those players only have 2 years remaining on their contracts.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Why are we discussing trades that have 0 logic behind the other team accepting? Trade a that are not even close to having even a little bit of a chance at both teams simply considering it?

There is no realistic offer that I would take for Dame.

Why are we discussing them at all? We should only deal in realism, not speculation. That's EXACTLY what forums are for. Only talk about things that have happened so we don't speculate or create rumors

 

[hoopsjock]

Why are we discussing them at all? We should only deal in realism, not speculation. That's EXACTLY what forums are for. Only talk about things that have happened so we don't speculate or create rumors

Because there is a huge difference between discussing fun hypotheticals and trades that couldn't/wouldn't ever happen.

Take these two trades:

1) Dame for the #1 pick and salary filler

2) Dame, Leonard, and Turner for Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, #10 pick, and a future 1st round pick.

The first one is fun to discuss because it is somewhat fair and it's interesting to think about what direction the team would go if they made a franchise altering move like that. It would be totally fine if this thread was about trades like that for Dame.

However, this thread is based on a trade similar to trade # 2. A completely absurd trade with no awareness to how crazy it is and the poster keeps bringing it up as if he's come up with some brilliant idea when the post is moronic. To put a cherry on top he now thinks we can add Leonard to the trade too? C'mon man, you can't see how silly that is?

The other issue is that it seems like he's trying to get Bones to question his statement and fandom by getting him to agree to a trade with Lillard involved after he said he wouldn't trade him. Of course anyone would do trade # 2 if presented but it's the most lopsided crazy trade I could come up with and has no regard for the reality that the 76ers wouldn't give up one of Embiid or Simmons, let alone both and add other good stuff too. That is exactly like the Boston trade proposal this thread is about. The same proposal that people told him Boston would never do in other threads and he still made another thread about it.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Because there is a huge difference between discussing fun hypotheticals and trades that couldn't/wouldn't ever happen.

Take these two trades:

1) Dame for the #1 pick and salary filler

2) Dame, Leonard, and Turner for Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, #10 pick, and a future 1st round pick.

The first one is fun to discuss because it is somewhat fair and it's interesting to think about what direction the team would go if they made a franchise altering move like that. It would be totally fine if this thread was about trades like that for Dame.

However, this thread is based on a trade similar to trade # 2. A completely absurd trade with no awareness to how crazy it is and the poster keeps bringing it up as if he's come up with some brilliant idea when the post is moronic. To put a cherry on top he now thinks we can add Leonard to the trade too? C'mon man, you can't see how silly that is?

The other issue is that it seems like he's trying to get Bones to question his statement and fandom by getting him to agree to a trade with Lillard involved after he said he wouldn't trade him. Of course anyone would do trade # 2 if presented but it's the most lopsided crazy trade I could come up with and has no regard for the reality that the 76ers wouldn't give up one of Embiid or Simmons, let alone both and add other good stuff too. That is exactly like the Boston trade proposal this thread is about. The same proposal that people told him Boston would never do in other threads and he still made another thread about it.

Would Hall of Famer Charles Barkley for Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang be more like example 2? Cause that crazy trade really happened. Kareem, Russell, Wilt were all lopsided trades

Maybe you could write up some rules on what we should and should not discuss, and why.

 

[hoopsjock]

Would Hall of Famer Charles Barkley for Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang be more like example 2? Cause that crazy trade really happened. Kareem, Russell, Wilt were all lopsided trades

Maybe you could write up some rules on what we should and should not discuss, and why.

Ummmm, you kind of just proved my point. Dame isn't going to get back a monster package like the Boston one proposed in this thread or the fake Philly one I presented as those stars didn't either.

Would you trade Dame for Gordon Hayward, Semi Ojeleye, and Daniel Theis? I certainly wouldn't but that is about what the 76ers got back for Barkley. That is an example of what you are saying and would be completely realistic to discuss. Saying Dame can fetch you Kyrie Irving, Jaylen Brown, and good 1st round picks just won't happen. Do you comprehend the difference?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Ummmm, you kind of just proved my point. Dame isn't going to get back a monster package like the Boston one proposed in this thread or the fake Philly one I presented as those stars didn't either.

Would you trade Dame for Gordon Hayward, Semi Ojeleye, and Daniel Theis? I certainly wouldn't but that is about what the 76ers got back for Barkley. That is an example of what you are saying and would be completely realistic to discuss. Saying Dame can fetch you Kyrie Irving, Jaylen Brown, and good 1st round picks just won't happen. Do you comprehend the difference?

Of course. But why do you feel the need to complain about people talking trade

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Because there is a huge difference between discussing fun hypotheticals and trades that couldn't/wouldn't ever happen.

Take these two trades:

1) Dame for the #1 pick and salary filler

2) Dame, Leonard, and Turner for Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, #10 pick, and a future 1st round pick.

The first one is fun to discuss because ...? YOU HAVE A PATENT ON FUN?

The other issue is that it seems like he's trying to get Bones to question his statement and fandom by getting him to agree to a trade with Lillard involved after he said he wouldn't trade him. ......WHAT A HOMER HAHA. AND I HAVE A FEELING BONES IS A BIG BOY - LOL

YES, I suggested a 3-team trade with Portland, Boston and Dallas. But decided to start a thread specific to the concept of if we should move Dame now...with a “?” at the end of the thread title.

I’m very sorry you lack the vision or creativity to come up with your own (excise me, I should say, hijack another’s thread rather than have the basketballs to start your own!) - and the only “moronic” consideration is to those that rather attempt to act all intelligent and all-knowing - it’s moronic to be a homer when discussing and bashing trade ideas on a basketball blog for crying out loud!

How long have you been around Sportstwo by the way? Just curious. HCP! Where are ya when you are needed - gotta scold these rooks

 

[BonesJones]

Learn how to format posts, then post.

 

[BonesJones]

@BoomChakaLaka We're actually both big boys. 6'5 and 6'6. So shhhhhhhhh.